A Maximum Wage

[Copernicus]

That is a fallacy -

Also, does that imply that those who are not financially well off haven't worked hard or made sacrifices?

The hegemony of capitalism is very seducing, which is why so many people subscribe to it so easily. But you are a fool if you think it is anyway an adequate or just way to distribute resources.

There is no perfect system of distributing resources. But it's a pretty effective way for people to leverage their abilities and earn a living through them. Does it result in outliers? Yes. But it has also resulted, in the developed world at least, in a system where the vast majority of people can earn a good living and at least make a good fist of whatever abilities or talents they possess.

It's hard to imagine another system doing so in a a relatively efficient and successful manner. Communism tried and failed spectacularly, and our societies are now too large and complex for an anarchist system to work, unless tried in isolation by true believer types.

 

[FootyJunkie]

 

[Sanders]

lol'd at the OP constantly making subtle references to how he pays too much tax, in the same thread where he's talking about greater taxes for the wealthy

That's because the OP is lying to make his view seem more credible & less a grubby opportunistic cash grab

There's too much of a "have not" chip on his shoulders

 

[LouisCK]

I'd see very little benefit personally from taxing the rich more appropriately for what they take out of the country. But it would be great for the nation as a whole.

 

[LouisCK]

But then, judging by your posts, you're a sub 50k earner who watches a lot of ACA and reads a Murdoch rag. You fight on behalf of the super-rich because you're stupid enough to think you'll be one of them one day.

 

[dymot]

But then, judging by your posts, you're a sub 50k earner who watches a lot of ACA and reads a Murdoch rag. You fight on behalf of the super-rich because you're stupid enough to think you'll be one of them one day.

ROFL The typical socialist play the man and accuse them of acting like sheep comment. Why the **** have I been at uni for 7 years if I simply didn't want to better myself? Why the hell would I have bothered to do two harder undergraduate degrees if there was no reward for it? Might as well have masturbated with a cheese grater for the last 7 years.

 

[LouisCK]

ROFL The typical socialist play the man and accuse them of acting like sheep comment. Why the **** have I been at uni for 7 years if I simply didn't want to better myself? Why the hell would I have bothered to do two harder undergraduate degrees if there was no reward for it? Might as well have masturbated with a cheese grater for the last 7 years.

Ahhh you're a result of forced fee paying uni places by the look of it.

You see Uni purely as a way to increase your income down the line, when the reality is its simply a mechanism to get you used to the idea of debt. If you'd been given free university, you might have a borad view of what you could use your education for (i.e. changing the world for the better). Unfortunately, you're just racking up debt, so you can spend your best years paying it off. Its a form of indoctrination.

 

[dymot]

Ahhh you're a result of forced fee paying uni places by the look of it.

You see Uni purely as a way to increase your income down the line, when the reality is its simply a mechanism to get you used to the idea of debt. If you'd been given free university, you might have a borad view of what you could use your education for (i.e. changing the world for the better). Unfortunately, you're just racking up debt, so you can spend your best years paying it off. Its a form of indoctrination.

Nope wholly on CSP or what ever they call it these days. As for just racking up debt, it is debt that benefits in the long run just like mortgages. Both provide great financial gain in the long run.

 

[LouisCK]

Nope wholly on CSP or what ever they call it these days. As for just racking up debt, it is debt that benefits in the long run just like mortgages. Both provide great financial gain in the long run.

Not necessarily matey. An educaiton is just a piece of paper for the most part, its your labour that will earn money in the future.

But respect for doing two lengthy undergrad courses, but if you're focused on earning money primarily as an employee you should have done a trade. If you wanted to be a business owner you should have started a business. Education should really be seen as its own reward. But placing such huge fees on it results in people ending up with your point of view towards it.

 

[dymot]

Not necessarily matey. An educaiton is just a piece of paper for the most part, its your labour that will earn money in the future.

But respect for doing two lengthy undergrad courses, but if you're focused on earning money primarily as an employee you should have done a trade. If you wanted to be a business owner you should have started a business. Education should really be seen as its own reward. But placing such huge fees on it results in people ending up with your point of view towards it.

Depends what type of business I want to have? Some require degrees in order to function effectively.

I agree with labor but it is strongly proven that extensivve higher education in the norm leads to greater ability to be employed and command greater incomes in the future.

 

[LouisCK]

Depends what type of business I want to have? Some require degrees in order to function effectively.

I agree with labor but it is strongly proven that extensivve higher education in the norm leads to greater ability to be employed and command greater incomes in the future.

By far the biggest indicator of being wealthy or having a high paying job is being born into a wealthy family.

So I hope this was the case for you. There's nothing wrong with educating yourself to make a better living btw. People like you aren't the problem, you're the norm. It's more the people born to wealth who contribute dick, and just earn money off the things their families own. Ted Bailleiu types.

 

[Sanders]

But then, judging by your posts, you're a sub 50k earner who watches a lot of ACA and reads a Murdoch rag. You fight on behalf of the super-rich because you're stupid enough to think you'll be one of them one day.

This is hilarious LCK

You put forward the idea that people cannot discern right from wrong, and are only motivated by self interest (see above); without realising what that says about your own politics of envy.

Maybe you need to stop blaming the world & those around you for your thwarted ambitions?

As you say, in your opinion people post from their circumstances, so its hard to take your "everyone else but me" views seriously.

 

[Sanders]

By far the biggest indicator of being wealthy or having a high paying job is being born into a wealthy family.

There's that chip, that envy again.

Got any evidence?

 

[LouisCK]

This is hilarious LCK

You put forward the idea that people cannot discern right from wrong, and are only motivated by self interest (see above); without realising what that says about your own politics of envy.

Maybe you need to stop blaming the world & those around you for your thwarted ambitions?

As you say, in your opinion people post from their circumstances, so its hard to take your "everyone else but me" views seriously.

Of course most people act out of self interest, but you can't discount the effectiveness of propaganda either.

The rich have somehow convinced a lot of the less politically minded that they deserve less and the rich deserve more, and that this arrangement will make them happy.

 

[Sanders]

Of course most people act out of self interest, but you can't discount the effectiveness of propaganda either.

The rich have somehow convinced a lot of the less politically minded that they deserve less and the rich deserve more, and that this arrangement will make them happy.

I'm not talking about most people, I'm talking about YOUR interpretation of most people, which really only tells us about you.

And you are very transparent

 

[dymot]

I'm not talking about most people, I'm talking about YOUR interpretation of most people, which really only tells us about you.

And you are very transparent

It's ironic as this thread serves the purpose of enhancing LouisCK's personal values and needs.

 

[radiojake]

There is no perfect system of distributing resources. But it's a pretty effective way for people to leverage their abilities and earn a living through them. Does it result in outliers? Yes. But it has also resulted, in the developed world at least, in a system where the vast majority of people can earn a good living and at least make a good fist of whatever abilities or talents they possess.

You want to know why the developed world enjoys the benefits of capitalism? Because it's been exploiting the rest of the world for centuries, even pre-capitalist days.

Dependancy and World Systems Theory - Gunder Frank

 

[dymot]

You want to know why the developed world enjoys the benefits of capitalism? Because it's been exploiting the rest of the world for centuries, even pre-capitalist days.

Dependancy and World Systems Theory - Gunder Frank

Communism never exploited anyone now either did it?

 

[radiojake]

Communism never exploited anyone now either did it?

Please point out where I advocated communism... please, I dare you -

Communism/Socialism and capitalism still have some of the same fundamental assumptions about the structure of the economy. Both are based on the premise of perpetual production and the reification of resources through its exploitation, extraction and production.

I feel this process is our single biggest problem in terms of environmental degradation, so why would I advocate the change to an economic system that has the same assumptions regarding this phenomenon as capitalism?

 

[Sanders]

It's ironic as this thread serves the purpose of enhancing LouisCK's personal values and needs.

Bit ironic, more than a bit sad.

If he could have at least been honest, instead of unravelling strand by strand, then that would show some a modicum of integrity

 

[nicky]

I'd see very little benefit personally from taxing the rich more appropriately for what they take out of the country. But it would be great for the nation as a whole.

Your idea is brilliant and the way life ought to be organised imo. The responses in this thread to the contrary, on the basis that 'there will no incentive to work hard', 'rich people worked hard for that obscene amount of money' etc, depress me.

My favourite quote on the topic

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarassed millionaires" - John Steinbeck

 

[LouisCK]

Bit ironic, more than a bit sad.

If he could have at least been honest, instead of unravelling strand by strand, then that would show some a modicum of integrity

So to clarify, because I (along with 99% of people on Earth) would benefit somewhat (through better services, better working conditions etc) by taxing the rich more appropriately - my stance must therefore be wrong?

Odd.

 

[Sanders]

So to clarify, because I (along with 99% of people on Earth) would benefit somewhat (through better services, better working conditions etc) by taxing the rich more appropriately - my stance must therefore be wrong?

Odd.

No I am saying you're an insincere hypocrite

 

[LouisCK]

No I am saying you're an insincere hypocrite

You're not saying it very convincingly then. There are definitely things we agree on based on your earliest post in this thread though, so I still like you bro.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Would destroy innovation. If salaries are capped large scale projects are not possible. You can't have large multi-billion dollar investments if all your money is being used to fund liberal arts degrees and the guide dogs.