Opinion A New Premiership Tally for the Modern AFL Era

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Bob Neil

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The AFL’s modern era demands a new premiership tally.

While past VFL achievements hold immense historical (and sentimental) value, they belong to a chapter of regional competition that ostensibly ended in 1989 (and what a finish the 1989 GF represents). The official rebranding from the VFL to the AFL in 1990 (with teams at that stage in WA, NSW and QLD) marked the ascension of a truly national competition, where clubs from across Australia compete on equal terms. This shift fundamentally changed the league, with interstate teams like the West Coast Eagles challenging the Victorian stronghold and altering the balance of power.

Counting premierships only from 1990 onwards offers a more accurate reflection of the modern AFL's competitive environment. The inclusion of interstate teams redefined the competition, making post-1990 achievements more representative of the game's national scope.

This change doesn't diminish the glories of the VFL, but places them in context as part of a proud chapter that has since closed (and let Colin Carter and others have semantic historical debates about pre-1900 competitions and what premierships should 'count').

The modern AFL era, beginning in 1990, deserves its own tally, celebrating success in the fully national, highly competitive landscape that now defines Australian rules football.

Hawthorn5
West Coast4
Geelong4
Brisbane4
Richmond3
Collingwood3
Sydney2
North Melbourne2
Essendon2
Adelaide2
Western Bulldogs / Footscray1
Port Adelaide1
Melbourne1
Carlton1

To give the pre-1990 era its due here is the VFL premiership tally but I think the days of mixing these two tallies should be over.

VFL Premiership Tally (1897–1989):​

  1. Carlton – 15 premierships (1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987)
  2. Essendon – 14 premierships (1897, 1901, 1911, 1912, 1923, 1924, 1942, 1946, 1949, 1950, 1962, 1965, 1984, 1985)
  3. Collingwood – 13 premierships (1902, 1903, 1910, 1917, 1919, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1935, 1936, 1953, 1958)
  4. Richmond – 10 premierships (1920, 1921, 1932, 1934, 1943, 1967, 1969, 1973, 1974, 1980)
  5. Melbourne – 12 premierships (1900, 1926, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1948, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1964)
  6. Hawthorn – 6 premierships (1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986)
  7. Fitzroy – 8 premierships (1898, 1899, 1904, 1905, 1913, 1916, 1922, 1944)
  8. Geelong – 6 premierships (1925, 1931, 1937, 1951, 1952, 1963)
  9. South Melbourne (now Sydney Swans) – 3 premierships (1909, 1918, 1933)
  10. Footscray (now Western Bulldogs) – 1 premiership (1954)
  11. North Melbourne – 2 premierships (1975, 1977)
  12. St Kilda – 1 premiership (1966)
 
I don't really care as we sit in about the same spot either way I do feel though that the VFL and the AFL flags are from the same competition so should all be counted, as is the practice pretty much everywhere in the World where a competition is renamed, the EPL is a good example, we don't want to lose the history of this competition.
Obviously Carter's claimed flags are a joke on Geelong, only helping to highlight how poorly they have done as a foundation club, surely no self respecting team would want to claim these flags from a totally different competition are the same as an AFL/VFL flag?
 

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I don't really care as we sit in about the same spot either way I do feel though that the VFL and the AFL flags are from the same competition so should all be counted, as is the practice pretty much everywhere in the World where a competition is renamed, the EPL is a good example, we don't want to lose the history of this competition.
Obviously Carter's claimed flags are a joke on Geelong, only helping to highlight how poorly they have done as a foundation club, surely no self respecting team would want to claim these flags from a totally different competition are the same as an AFL/VFL flag?


My impression is that the VFA was the PREMIER COMPETITION in the country before some of the bigger clubs decided to leave to form/join another rival league because of disagreements about becoming professional and allowing more of the money earnt be funnelled back to the clubs/players.

That would be like 8 or so of the biggest current AFL clubs (WC, ADEL, SYD, COLL, ESS, CARL, etc....) leaving the AFL in 2024 and making a new League (say the SUPER RULES LEAGUE) for 2025 that aligns with a profit distribution that is more to their liking.

That wouldn't mean that pre-2025 AFL was trash and not worthy of recognition what-so-ever. In the same vein the VFA deserves the same respect and recognition that Carter is rightfully seeking.

Complaints about making these long overdue amendments are childish and are nothing more than petty jealousy-filled insecure whinges about how some clubs would have additional flags added to their tally.

I'd be still for it if Geelong added no new flags to their tally and the Tiggers another 10. It's about bringing respect and recognition to every facet of Australian Rules Football history, that is all.
 
I don't really care as we sit in about the same spot either way I do feel though that the VFL and the AFL flags are from the same competition so should all be counted, as is the practice pretty much everywhere in the World where a competition is renamed, the EPL is a good example, we don't want to lose the history of this competition.
Obviously Carter's claimed flags are a joke on Geelong, only helping to highlight how poorly they have done as a foundation club, surely no self respecting team would want to claim these flags from a totally different competition are the same as an AFL/VFL flag?
VFA flags hold the same weight as pre-WW2 flags. There were flags won during WW1 where only 4 teams competed. There was a flag won by a wooden spooner in the same season.

Also the EPL officially tally words it as "English top level titles" which if the same vernacular was used then why wouldn't pre-1896 VFA be counted, being the top level and all?
 
anyone rational would agree with this.

the only people who oppose it are supporters of 'big clubs' that think premierships won by the club with the most money in a competition before tv existed and all the players smashed durries at half time are equivalent to those won in a professional sporting competition
 

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My impression is that the VFA was the PREMIER COMPETITION in the country before some of the bigger clubs decided to leave to form/join another rival league because of disagreements about becoming professional and allowing more of the money earnt be funnelled back to the clubs/players.

That would be like 8 or so of the biggest current AFL clubs (WC, ADEL, SYD, COLL, ESS, CARL, etc....) leaving the AFL in 2024 and making a new League (say the SUPER RULES LEAGUE) for 2025 that aligns with a profit distribution that is more to their liking.

That wouldn't mean that pre-2025 AFL was trash and not worthy of recognition what-so-ever. In the same vein the VFA deserves the same respect and recognition that Carter is rightfully seeking.

Complaints about making these long overdue amendments are childish and are nothing more than petty jealousy-filled insecure whinges about how some clubs would have additional flags added to their tally.

I'd be still for it if Geelong added no new flags to their tally and the Tiggers another 10. It's about bringing respect and recognition to every facet of Australian Rules Football history, that is all.
Only jealousy I see is from Geelong supporters wishing they could claim more VFL/AFL flags undeservedly, if this comp ever had a breakaway then you start again while remembering your flags won in the previous competition in your own museum, pretty simple really.
 
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