A quick look at grass roots senior football in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

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Bostonian

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I would not catagorise the Bellarine FL as a "Geelong" League.
Well it is. Plenty of Geelong residents running around in the BFL.

It has Geelong Amateurs and Newcomb playing in it. GA has strong ties to Geelong College.

If they bring in the 3 league promotion/relegation model they have proposed Torquay will be in the top tier eventually.


Are their pokies the main revenue source- if not, what are the other revenue sources?
Why does the GDFL have these revenue sources, & the GFL & BFL, generally, do not?
For a lot of the clubs it's a big part of their budget no doubt.

The GDFL has it because they were run super well and they own a place called Buckley's.

They actually donated half a million dollars between all local clubs in the Geelong leagues in 2020.

Buckley's donation eases pressure on local clubs - Bellarine Times (timesnewsgroup.com.au)


IIRC, there were recently a few other Melb. WS clubs playing in Geelong Leagues eg St Albans.
Are you sure that Werribee Centrals are the sole Melb. WS club still playing in a Geelong League?
Yes. You're confusing our local St Albans with the Melbourne St Albans.

Geelong has a suburb called St Albans. It's where St Alban's Park was and it's there they hid Phar Lap before a Melbourne Cup.


Geelong Grammar & Geelong College Old Boys play in the VAFA.
Are you aware of any Geelong area teams ever playing in the WRFL (I assume they would have little regard for their personal safety)?
As mentioned Geelong College juniors are often tied to Geelong Amateurs in the BFL.

No Geelong clubs ever played in the WRFL.
 

Kwality

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Well it is. Plenty of Geelong residents running around in the BFL.

It has Geelong Amateurs and Newcomb playing in it. GA has strong ties to Geelong College.

If they bring in the 3 league promotion/relegation model they have proposed Torquay will be in the top tier eventually.




For a lot of the clubs it's a big part of their budget no doubt.

The GDFL has it because they were run super well and they own a place called Buckley's.

They actually donated half a million dollars between all local clubs in the Geelong leagues in 2020.

Buckley's donation eases pressure on local clubs - Bellarine Times (timesnewsgroup.com.au)




Yes. You're confusing our local St Albans with the Melbourne St Albans.

Geelong has a suburb called St Albans. It's where St Alban's Park was and it's there they hid Phar Lap before a Melbourne Cup.




As mentioned Geelong College juniors are often tied to Geelong Amateurs in the BFL.

No Geelong clubs ever played in the WRFL.
All AFL clubs should be putting money into local footy, Geelong :thumbsu:
 

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Kwality

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If they had similar access to young players like the clubs with academies do they probably would.
Leaders lead, see WA & SA, plenty put in by the AFL clubs & the kids go into the draft.
The real problem for most of Victoria is AFL clubs have no linked community beyond the inner city.

The BIG difference betweeen the heartland States & the developing States 100 years of junior development & the built up generations of parental support.
The AFL clubs in heartland States should not have any rights to zones.
 

Bostonian

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Leaders lead, see WA & SA, plenty put in by the AFL clubs & the kids go into the draft.
The real problem for most of Victoria is AFL clubs have no linked community beyond the inner city.

The BIG difference betweeen the heartland States & the developing States 100 years of junior development & the built up generations of parental support.
The AFL clubs in heartland States should not have any rights to zones.
No clubs should have any rights to zones, zones are bullshit. It should all be ran by the AFL.

Removing the recruiting zones removed all links to the country communities for the Melbourne clubs.

No point investing heavily for the Vic clubs anymore.
 

Kwality

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No clubs should have any rights to zones, zones are bullshit. It should all be ran by the AFL.

Removing the recruiting zones removed all links to the country communities for the Melbourne clubs.

No point investing heavily for the Vic clubs anymore.
That puts the developing States at a unfair advantage to the heartland clubs. That is what many fans what, but BAD for footy nationally.
Note WA is zoned to its WAFL clubs, funded in part by the AFL clubs, & the kids go into the draft - that is a good result.
 

Bostonian

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That puts the developing States at a unfair advantage to the heartland clubs. That is what many fans what, but BAD for footy nationally.
Note WA is zoned to its WAFL clubs, funded in part by the AFL clubs, & the kids go into the draft - that is a good result.
How is it at a disadvantage?

The AFL runs all junior programs and all clubs can access all players.

Fairest system there can be.


Note the two WA clubs benefit to a far greater degree then from players wanting to come back home to that state.

They only have two clubs to compete for that player.

A Victorian club will have nine other clubs to compete with.

The system works worst for Victorian clubs. So less incentive for them to put any kind of financial resources into something they may not benefit from.
 

Kwality

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How is it at a disadvantage?

The AFL runs all junior programs and all clubs can access all players.

Fairest system there can be.


Note the two WA clubs benefit to a far greater degree then from players wanting to come back home to that state.

They only have two clubs to compete for that player.

A Victorian club will have nine other clubs to compete with.

The system works worst for Victorian clubs. So less incentive for them to put any kind of financial resources into something they may not benefit from.
Not arguing that WA is better or worse off*. Both heartland States where footy is the main game, not so the developing States.

As for the AFL you only need to look at the Swans to see how they got their Academy off the ground after the AFL nothing more than 'piss & wind' (for years) into footy outside Victoria.

* we all know the national comp is unbalanced in terms of the number of clubs & player development.
 
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BringBackTorps

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(From Wookie's sports.industry.com sleuthing)

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Soccer & basketball, are, of course

. very familiar sports to nearly all immigrants to Australia- as they are to all persons born in Australia.

. relatively easy games to play (at non-professional level).

. games whose rules are fairly simple to explain in any language.

. quite safe to play (excluding soccer heading of the ball/brain issues)

They will, therefore, always be the sports most to benefit if Councils' funding is primarily based on

"...a proposed new allocation policy [to] ensure inclusion & diversity for everyone in Yarra".


It should be noted that the Brunswick St Oval is officially named after Councillor W. Petersen, a Fitzroy Councillor in the 1970's.

Many believe it should be named after the 1930's Fitzroy player Hayden Bunton- the only player ever to win 3 Brownlows & 3 Sandover (WA) medals.
He is Fitzroy's greatest ever player- arguably the best in AF in Vic. history (He was actually recruited from Albury, NSW). The Council would not permit this.

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BringBackTorps

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1. Yarra Council (5/9 of the councillors are in the Greens Party) has, for several years, completely banned Richmond Snakes FC (amateurs -VAFA) from putting temporary, match day plastic banners- advertising their Sponsors- hanging off Burnley's K. Bartlett oval horizontal railings.

Even though the banners would only be up during matches, Yarra Council has totally banned them- because they claim their appearance is ugly, for a park that has a lot of trees around it.





2. Moreland Council (centred on Brunswick Coburg area) has similar political views to Yarra Council.

A new, small very attractive grandstand (beautiful timbers used, lovely patina- Vic. Mountain Ash?) has been finished by Moreland at Fleming Park, Albert St E. Brunswick, only a few weeks ago. Women's AF teams will play there. I strongly recommend, if people are in the area, to see it- it is so attractive.
The old small grandstand, from the 1930's, was not used, as it had been condemned for a long time- too dangerous.

The original plans for the grandstand was designed to have several trees inside the middle of the grandstand! With the roof, directly above the trees, fully open!
I suspect this "inside trees" design is a world first. These plans were later abandoned.

This is NOT a joke- see the original "tree grandstand" concept photos, with the trees inside the grandstand, in this link.

 
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Bunk Moreland

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There’s some shockers in local council when it comes to footy.

A few of the more recent trends:

Trying to enforce equality quotas in club roles. What planet are you people on. EVERYBODY IS A VOLUNTEER. You don’t get to choose what gender or background they are. You have to take what you can get.

Telling clubs they can’t accept sponsorships from pokies operators. Ruling out a lot of pubs, who are traditionally sponsors. It’s fine for the councils to accept their rates from pubs and clubs, of course.

Youre a landlord. Stay in your lane and mind your own fu**in business.

End rant lol.
 

BringBackTorps

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Thought I would put this here.

In Melbourne U19 & adult GR AF comps., the lack of field, boundary, & goal umpires, employed by the competition Head Office, can now probably be categorised as a crisis in 2021. (Umpire shortages have always been a problem in Melbourne at the lower Divisions).
There is a big shortage of all the 3, clubs are furious at being told late in the week that Head Office umpires can't be made available, so the club will have to find their own field, boundary, or goal Umpires.

A shout out for AF fans to consider being an umpire, to give back to our great game...a crucial role. (And yes, a reasonably thick skin is needed- but it is rare that any serious abuse etc. occurs: Order Off Rule).
Field umpires etc. appointed by the clubs always create "perception problems".

Field Umpire payments for adult men's games start from c. $115 for lower Divisions- Boundary & Goal c. $70 per game. Good chance, if a person volunteers to do 2 consecutive games, it will be granted.
The Tax Office has ruled all GR Umpire payments are tax-free, irrespective of one's income.

Novice Umpires (all will receive training during the week prior to commencement, & be accompanied on a match day by a very experienced Umpire- & first must pass a Rules' etc. Test) would, generally, start off at women's games- then only lowest U19's & lowest adult male Divisions.
Usually, an Umpire is sent to a ground no more than 30 minutes driving time from where they live.
Boundary Umpires must be fit, & Goal Umpires must have good eye sight.

In a adult male match, if not rain-affected, a Boundary Umpire will walk/jog/run c. 10kms+.

The phone no. for the VAFA (where spectators cannot legally drink alcohol during the game, whilst directly watching the game) is (03) 95376777.
Matt Dervan VAFA Umpire Co-Ordinator 0424 625423 mattdervan@vafa.com.au

For the geographically-based Leagues, contact your League's Head office.

I assume all other States have similar problems re lack of Competition Head Office Umpires.

If you wish to commence your umpiring in the jnr. comps., there are shortages there also.
 
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