Roast A Reverse Buckley

[Bad Horse]

I'd prefer a reverse cowgirl with Jeannie Pratt than having to put up with this kind of True Believer shit ever five minutes.

 

[FreddoFrog65]

"I trust his ability to coach us to success"... based on what? The fact he has your favourite footballer at Collingwood?

We are supports of Collingwood the club, not Buckley the messiah. If sacking Buckley is the best thing for the club then why shouldn't supporters ask for that?

Buckley is already an "average coach", we've had 5 years to work this out.. it's not still something that's up in the air.

Sacking a coach after 3 games after just resigning him? Then the committee should go as well, I guess? If that is best for the Pies, then let's go for it. Who do you recommend we replace Buckley with? If you have a plan for his demise, you surely have a plan for our future.

 

[FreddoFrog65]

I'd prefer a reverse cowgirl with Jeannie Pratt than having to put up with this kind of True Believer shit ever five minutes.

You have some strange fantasies, but each to their own. Have noted that Bucks may not be the answer or a great coach, but being a supporter is part of being a True Pie!

 

[Bad Horse]

Sacking a coach after 3 games after just resigning him? Then the committee should go as well, I guess?

I would suggest if Buckley does go, a lot more than Buckley will be going. Including some of those involved in bringing him to the club and maintaining him in his position. if it continues as badly as it has and we let him go mid season, I would suggest that is also the beginning of the end of Ed, and by extension several of those involved in how we got to there in the first place. So in answer to your second part, yes, if it comes to it.

 

[Chameleon75]

I'd prefer a reverse cowgirl with Jeannie Pratt than having to put up with this kind of True Believer shit ever five minutes.

I ran into to her a few years back, believe me you don't.

 

[TradeDraft]

To be honest Dave I don't even want to contemplate what will happen if we get smashed!

Personally I am giving Bucks four more weeks.

Last year I was on the fence.........I hope I don't fall over to the wrong side.

As I have Posted I am giving Bucks next 5 Games to Save The Season or Else

 

[TradeDraft]

If nothing else, I guess we will get to see if Eddie is true to his word.....but knowing Bucks, he would probably fall on his sword, rather than be walked off the premises. You never know, I hear James Hird is looking for something to do. Lol. Especially since he an Tania are looking at "future opportunities"....

We would go Further Backwards with James "The Drug Cheat" Hird

 

[FreddoFrog65]

There is nothing more moronic on a discussion board than posters who say you can't discuss.

Mods should hand out perma bans to anyone trying to stifle freedom of speech

Don't know where the idea of "can't discuss" comes into it......I thought that was what we were doing now?

 

[ClaytonM]

As I have Posted I am giving Bucks next 5 Games to Save The Season or Else

Or else what?

 

[sr36]

Or else what?

And endless array of abusive posts on every Collingwood website he can find.

 

[Bad Horse]

You have some strange fantasies, but each to their own. Have noted that Bucks may not be the answer or a great coach, but being a supporter is part of being a True Pie!

I'm a supporter. Of the club. And this week, when I finally had some cash, I was able to buy my membership knowing this was probably going to be a shit awful season when I did it. And I go around with my Dad's Collingwood scarf whether we win or get flogged, partly because being a Collingwood supporter is the only part of him I have left.

But I am not a blind advocate of any one individual. For that you are welcome to go join Essendon and get your free James Hird T-Shirt on entry. And if it is time to move Nathan Buckley on, I doubt anyone can say he wasn't given a serious chance to make it work, and if he is let go, it will be because it will have demonstrably failed in ways that would have seen any other coach gone years ago. That is what annoys me I guess about this kind of stuff. I have frankly given him a year and a bit more before asking serious questions than I would have but for the fact this is Collingwood and he is Nathan Buckley. And I doubt I am alone. Time will tell if we, as supporters, and as a club, have been well served by such loyalty.

 

[Anzacday]

I'm a supporter. Of the club. And this week, when I finally had some cash, I was able to buy my membership knowing this was probably going to be a shit awful season when I did it. And I go around with my Dad's Collingwood scarf whether we win or get flogged, partly because being a Collingwood supporter is the only part of him I have left.

But I am not a blind advocate of any one individual. For that you are welcome to go join Essendon and get your free James Hird T-Shirt on entry. And if it is time to move Nathan Buckley on, I doubt anyone can say he wasn't given a serious chance to make it work, and if he is let go, it will be because it will have demonstrably failed in ways that would have seen any other coach gone years ago. That is what annoys me I guess about this kind of stuff. I have frankly given him a year and a bit more before asking serious questions than I would have but for the fact this is Collingwood and he is Nathan Buckley. And I doubt I am alone. Time will tell if we, as supporters, and as a club, have been well served by such loyalty.

That is an excellent post/contribution - thank you.

 

[sr36]

There is nothing more moronic on a discussion board than posters who say you can't discuss.

Mods should hand out perma bans to anyone trying to stifle freedom of speech

Cunning plan. The mods will have to ban you for saying that you can't say 'you can't discuss'. Then they'll have to ban themselves for banning you for saying something. Then without mods we may get true freedom of speech. Muuuhuuuhaaahaaa.

 

[FreddoFrog65]

I'm a supporter. Of the club. And this week, when I finally had some cash, I was able to buy my membership knowing this was probably going to be a shit awful season when I did it. And I go around with my Dad's Collingwood scarf whether we win or get flogged, partly because being a Collingwood supporter is the only part of him I have left.

But I am not a blind advocate of any one individual. For that you are welcome to go join Essendon and get your free James Hird T-Shirt on entry. And if it is time to move Nathan Buckley on, I doubt anyone can say he wasn't given a serious chance to make it work, and if he is let go, it will be because it will have demonstrably failed in ways that would have seen any other coach gone years ago. That is what annoys me I guess about this kind of stuff. I have frankly given him a year and a bit more before asking serious questions than I would have but for the fact this is Collingwood and he is Nathan Buckley. And I doubt I am alone. Time will tell if we, as supporters, and as a club, have been well served by such loyalty.

Great note...and even better by you putting up $ when the outlook looks bleak. In the end we just want success and as I think each season has 1 winner & 17 losers, we may not achieve what we want. Well done on your commitment and respect of your fathers past. Go Pies.

 

[FreddoFrog65]

Don't know where the idea of "can't discuss" comes into it......I thought that was what we were doing now?

I just read a quote that you are "The Liberace of Big Footy" (Schraderbrau).....you are therefore out of my league Your Highness.

 

[TradeDraft]

Or else what?

Bucks be seen at Centerlink the next week

 

[Anzacday]

Cunning plan. The mods will have to ban you for saying that you can't say 'you can't discuss'. Then they'll have to ban themselves for banning you for saying something. Then without mods we may get true freedom of speech. Muuuhuuuhaaahaaa.

I imagined such an evil laugh here

 

[Captivating]

This is the best thread on the internet. Should win an award.

 

[Roverjg]

Presti was ordinary early in his career and then became a gun. Leon Davis was ordinary early in his career and then became a gun. Dane Swan was ordinary early and has become a Collingwood great. The same can occur with coaches. The point i'm making is that future success may not mean that Bucks has been a good coach up until now. I feel comfortable with a negative assessment of Buckley's coaching up until now. I hope that in the future I'll feel comfortable with a positive assessment of Bucks's coaching. There were enough positive signs last year for me to see potential, but I can't comprehend how people at this point can be "Buckley Disciples".

I agree with your sentiments entirely

Buckley was one of my favourite all-time Pies. Despite my man love for Buck's I have never agreed with the succession plan. It is obvious when the plan was implemented that the Board did not expect success within the 3 year period and when it occurred they were backed into the corner. Furthermore, it was never going to work because Malthouse was never on board.

I believe that anyone with coaching aspirations need to go to different clubs as part of their apprenticeship and gain a different perspective before taking on a Senior gig. Weideman, Shaw and Buckley did not leave the club. Just because players were great footballers does not guarantee coaching success. Just look at Hird, Voss, Watson and Shaw in recent history.

Despite my reservations about Buckley's ability to coach and communicate a game plan, I want him to succeed. For him to succeed I believe that he needs to change the assistant coaching panel. We don't have a Rhode Scholar amongst them and our coaching panel for the past 3 years have lacked a cohesive game plan and this year despite promise in the NAB cup, again appear to have problems implementing and conveying a sustainable game plan. None of our assistant's have coached in their own right.

For example Scott Watters was credited with devising Collingwood's defensive zone in 2010 and forward zone pressure in 2011. Unfortunately Watters could not translate this into senior coaching success.

Leigh Tudor has been involved with four clubs in the past 10 years. Geelong rated Tudor extremely high. In 2006-07 he was the Geelong VFL coach Runners-up in 2006 and Premiers 2007 and defensive coach (AFL premiers), in 2010, he was St Kilda's midfield coach (runners-up). In 2011 and 2012 he was Sydney's midfield coach (Premiers in 2012) and he is now North Melbourne. In 2014 he was their defensive coach and was acclaimed for tightening their defence (from 88 points conceded per game to 79 points per game). In 2015 he was the Roos mid-field coach and this year he is their forward coach.

You gave some examples of players taking time to find their feet. Here's some coaching examples
Malthouse in his first 5 years at the club had a win rate of 50% (despite making 2 GF's)
Ratten was deemed a failure in his 5 year reign despite having a success rate of 50% (despite having a crap playing list)
Clarkson in his first 5 years had a win rate of 49% despite winning a GF

 

[Jasper84]

 

[Schraderbrau]

No issues with opinions with relevant and logical views Jmac70....it's more the irrational rants that say that Buckley has been crap from Day 1, that Malthouse was the Messiah etc etc. As I have said...the jury is still out on whether Nathan can coach or not, but not giving him the chance to prove it, probably doesn't help the club itself.

To me this thread basically seems like an irrational rant about other people having irrational rants. I don't really see it's purpose other than to call a whole bunch of people backstabbers for not supporting the coach which I don't think is justified anyway seeing as he's been in that role since 2012.

And fwiw my view on the coach is not to sack immediately but to give him at least until mid season. We've been as bad as I've seen us the last 3 weeks but I doubt that things will keep on going as badly as they have. However if we go down to Melbourne and Essendon his leadership is probably terminal imo and it is probably to our benefit to start looking for a new coach asap given there's usually a few clubs looking for coaches per season.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Don't know where it said "1/2 the board are backstabbers".....just a few, but that is enough.

Judging by the reception to this thread I'd guess it's more like 2/3

 

[left at home]

Bucks be seen at Centerlink the next week

bit hard to be there next week if have given him 5 weeks to go, or the big else what

 

[swoop42]

Whether I'm right or wrong what I believe is in the best interests of the football club is always the intention of me engaging in debate that can be deemed negative by some.

Nathan Buckley or any other individual should never be beyond criticism no matter what great deeds they have contributed in the past to our club.

I'd argue most have already granted him extra leeway because of who he is out of a sense of loyalty.

But enough is enough it's time Buckley lives or dies according to how we perform on the field in 2016 and the search for new excuses stop being floated.

The fact is Buckley is in his 5th year as coach and 4th year into the rebuild. Time and experience of the senior coach doesn't seem to be affecting the performances of the eagles, dogs and crows. Hell even the saints look like they might leap frog us in terms of development this season.

That's unacceptable to me and many others and if we fail to markedly improve over the remainder of the year then Buckley should be removed.

Afterall at the end of the day coaches come and go but the club remains.

We all support the Collingwood football club.

Not the Nathan Buckley football club.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

I agree with your sentiments entirely

Buckley was one of my favourite all-time Pies. Despite my man love for Buck's I have never agreed with the succession plan. It is obvious when the plan was implemented that the Board did not expect success within the 3 year period and when it occurred they were backed into the corner. Furthermore, it was never going to work because Malthouse was never on board.

I believe that anyone with coaching aspirations need to go to different clubs as part of their apprenticeship and gain a different perspective before taking on a Senior gig. Weideman, Shaw and Buckley did not leave the club. Just because players were great footballers does not guarantee coaching success. Just look at Hird, Voss, Watson and Shaw in recent history.

Despite my reservations about Buckley's ability to coach and communicate a game plan, I want him to succeed. For him to succeed I believe that he needs to change the assistant coaching panel. We don't have a Rhodes Scholar amongst them and our coaching panel for the past 3 years have lacked a cohesive game plan and this year despite promise in the NAB cup, again appear to have problems implementing and conveying a sustainable game plan. None of our assistant's have coached in their own right.

For example Scott Watters was credited with devising Collingwood's defensive zone in 2010 and forward zone pressure in 2011. Unfortunately Watters could not translate this into senior coaching success.

Leigh Tudor has been involved with four clubs in the past 10 years. Geelong rated Tudor extremely high. In 2006-07 he was the Geelong VFL coach Runners-up in 2006 and Premiers 2007 and defensive coach (AFL premiers), in 2010, he was St Kilda's midfield coach (runners-up). In 2011 and 2012 he was Sydney's midfield coach (Premiers in 2012) and he is now North Melbourne. In 2014 he was their defensive coach and was acclaimed for tightening their defence (from 88 points conceded per game to 79 points per game). In 2015 he was the Roos mid-field coach and this year he is their forward coach.

You gave some examples of players taking time to find their feet. Here's some coaching examples
Malthouse in his first 5 years at the club had a win rate of 50% (despite making 2 GF's)
Ratten was deemed a failure in his 5 year reign despite having a success rate of 50% (despite having a crap playing list)
Clarkson in his first 5 years had a win rate of 49% despite winning a GF

Tony Abbott might be available soon. Don't place too much emphasis on Rhodes Scholars

But yeah......nice post. I tend to agree with your sentiments about the need to serve an apprenticeship elsewhere. I also believe there is only so much a coach can do these days if the team surrounding him isn't up to it , and I think that's our main issue. But then of course Bucks should be perceptive enough to know that (if it's correct) and seek change.

One thing I think Collingwood is better than most at is giving their coaches enough time to prove themselves and I really hope Bucks succeeds .