Roast A Reverse Buckley

[HappyRed]

Totally agree dude. I still think he deserves to finish out his contact. It's not even the last year and we are completely shredding him instead of supporting him.

 

[PieNSauce]

It's quite amazing how worked up people get on this subject. I actually have no problem with either side of the fence here to be honest but I have to admit that sometimes the language seems to get a bit out of hand. I don't think calling people backstabbers is necessarily all that helpful but by the same token I see why some people get upset by people's hyperbolic descriptions of Buckley's coaching ability. In the end, I think most people would have to admit that Bucks is under the pump to get this group producing something a lot better than we've seen to date. I'm pretty sure that's possible because we have all seen it under Bucks at various stages albeit that it has not been as sustained as we'd like. The indisputable fact is that the next month will be very telling. Lose ugly and the writing will very clearly be on the wall. Produce decent footy and there's likely to be at least a cooling of the sentiments.

Personally, I'm doing my best to sit on the fence when it comes to the coach but I will admit that the fence is feeling just a little wobbly right now.

 

[Kappa]

Sacking a coach after 3 games after just resigning him? Then the committee should go as well, I guess? If that is best for the Pies, then let's go for it. Who do you recommend we replace Buckley with? If you have a plan for his demise, you surely have a plan for our future.

Where do you keep pulling this "after 3 games" crap from? Buckley has been coach for 5 years, and every year we have gotten worse and worse. We are literally on the track to becoming a bottom 4 team, it's not like we have much better youth than other teams too.

Who do I recommend we replace Buckley with? Round up all the best candidates and have them present themselves in formal interviews then pick the best one... no point throwing around a specific name now.

 

[esc0bar]

Here's a question to the supporters.

Are your expectations of this team too high?
If it took bottoming out I.e bottom 4 to win a premiership would you do it?
Did you think we were finals bound this year when in fact we are still another year away?

These are some serious questions to answer because 'sack Buckley' is only a matter of perspective.

I can certainly see we're building one of the most exiting and promising teams in the Comp to rival GC GWS & WB , but whether Buckley is given the time to see it through will ultimately depend on your personal expectations. Media and centimet aside if you look at the list objectively - it's pretty damn good. Young and very exciting.

 

[HenrikLundqvist]

Some MK Ultra levels of brainwashing is becoming fast apparent in Cuckley supporters. The flog can do no wrong.

 

[boxy99]

Here's a question to the supporters.

Are your expectations of this team too high?
If it took bottoming out I.e bottom 4 to win a premiership would you do it?
Did you think we were finals bound this year when in fact we are still another year away?

These are some serious questions to answer because 'sack Buckley' is only a matter of perspective.

I can certainly see we're building one of the most exiting and promising teams in the Comp to rival GC GWS & WB , but whether Buckley is given the time to see it through will ultimately depend on your personal expectations. Media and centimet aside if you look at the list objectively - it's pretty damn good. Young and very exciting.

My expectations weren't to high. But when the club traded away its 2016 first round pick it makes me think that the clubs expectations were to high and it gave us false hope.

What would finishing bottom 4 do when we wont have anything to show for it?

 

[Kappa]

Here's a question to the supporters.

Are your expectations of this team too high?
If it took bottoming out I.e bottom 4 to win a premiership would you do it?
Did you think we were finals bound this year when in fact we are still another year away?

These are some serious questions to answer because 'sack Buckley' is only a matter of perspective.

I can certainly see we're building one of the most exiting and promising teams in the Comp to rival GC GWS & WB , but whether Buckley is given the time to see it through will ultimately depend on your personal expectations. Media and centimet aside if you look at the list objectively - it's pretty damn good. Young and very exciting.

Why are we building one of the most exciting and promising teams in the comp?

Because we have Moore and De Goey?

Is our youth any better than what the majority of other teams have in the cupboard

 

[esc0bar]

My expectations weren't to high. But when the club traded away its 2016 first round pick it makes me think that the clubs expectations were to high and it gave us false hope.

What would finishing bottom 4 do when we wont have anything to show for it?

Or they truely believed that Treloar was worth two top 10 draft picks...

OK here's another question... Where did we have to finish in 2004/2005 before we rose to the top of podium?

AND... if we didn't finish there would be have won for the flag in 2010 or just a few preliminary finals?

 

[esc0bar]

Why are we building one of the most exciting and promising teams in the comp?

Because we have Moore and De Goey?

Is our youth any better than what the majority of other teams have in the cupboard

Prior to 2009/2010 our entire list was a bunch of plodders. No one except Swan and Pendelbury could make Mike Sheans top 50. FFW to 2010/11 and we had 7 or 8. Players only become superstars of the competition once the team performs. Good teams elevate good players to superstars, while good players in ordinary teams are just good players.

Degoey, Moore, Adams, Treloar, Williams, Ramsay, Scharenberg, Aish, Elliot, Fasolo, Grundy is half the best 22. These guys are good enough to help the pies contend for a flag in the next few years. That's before we start to name some of the veterans like Pendelbury, Reid, Brown, Cloke, Varcoe, and Sidebottom who will all be there for the next tilt. I could name more players who have Spent less than 5 years in the system but I don't want this to turn into an argument about the players. We're building and just like St Kilda, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Port, we have to taste the dirt for a year or two.

Patience is a virtue.

 

[boxy99]

Or they truely believed that Treloar was worth two top 10 draft picks...

OK here's another question... Where did we have to finish in 2004/2005 before we rose to the top of podium?

I stocked we got Treloar but we gave up 7 last year and if we finish bottom 4 it would mean 7 and 4 would suggest it's overs. But Treloar is a pie and I'm rapt.

Im not sure what your point is about were we finished 04/05. We were in rebuild mode. From 04 and on we got Cloke, pendles, Thomas, Reid, brown, etc.

 

[esc0bar]

I stocked we got Treloar but we gave up 7 last year and if we finish bottom 4 it would mean 7 and 4 would suggest it's overs. But Treloar is a pie and I'm rapt.

Im not sure what your point is about were we finished 04/05. We were in rebuild mode. From 04 and on we got Cloke, pendles, Thomas, Reid, brown, etc.

Time will tell if two first round picks are worth it but star players cost money. We got a future captain who is elite in most areas and we paid the price on an open market.

My point regarding 04 was that without picking up Thomas and Pendelbury I don't believe we could have won the flag.

 

[boxy99]

Time will tell if two first round picks are worth it but star players cost money. We got a future captain who is elite in most areas and we paid the price on an open market.

My point regarding 04 was that without picking up Thomas and Pendelbury I don't believe we could have won the flag.

We couldn't but with no high picks our percentage of drafting a Thomas or pendles are extremely low. So this year bottoming out is know advantage to us at all.

 

[esc0bar]

We couldn't but with no high picks our percentage of drafting a Thomas or pendles are extremely low. So this year bottoming out is know advantage to us at all.

But we already have drafted another Pendelbury or Thomas. We're just paying for it across two years. I get your point though. No draft picks this year so we may as well finish first. If only...

This has to be a development year and it always was. Week in and week out we field one of the youngest teams in the comp. We'll get better and move up the ladder fast, but if the NAB cup and some positive spin by the club had you thinking it was anything else you have a right to feel let down. But look at the team without the bright lights used to sell memberships and you'll see we're building something special. It just takes a while.

 

[boxy99]

But we already have drafted another Pendelbury or Thomas. We're just paying for it across two years. I get your point though. No draft picks this year so we may as well finish first. If only...

This has to be a development year and it always was. Week in and week out we field one of the youngest teams in the comp. We'll get better and move up the ladder fast, but if the NAB cup and some positive spin by the club had you thinking it was anything else you have a right to feel let down. But look at the team without the bright lights used to sell memberships and you'll see we're building something special. It just takes a while.

I wish I was as confident as you! I see a lot of holes in our side.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Continually going to the draft doesn't always equal success. Melbourne, Carlton, Spring to mind.
You draft perceived talent. (Jono o'rourke, Tambling, the list is endless) that's where the apprenticeship starts.
Problem for Melbourne has been no elite players for them to learn from. Think of Selwood when he rocked up at Geelong and the hawthorn late draft picks coming on now, learning from hodge, Mitchell, etc.
I for one remember how exited everyone was when we landed treloar. He will be great for the rookies and younger players as he brings something else for others to learn from and he's young himself.

 

[10571z]

I've backed bucks for years but I can't hide my rage anymore. Our club made a stupid decision which IMO cost us at least 1 flag with MM cracking it. And bucks simply has tunnel vision and can't pick a side

 

[JackoSpades]

I think our players are overrated by us on BF, I'm not sure they will become the players they were hyped to be. We even have another thread going about which 3 players we would like to steal.
Other rucks have gone past ours, our midfield is getting smashed and our forward and backlines are deplorable, because of the cattle. Is it buckley's fault for the players on the list? Partly I guess.
Hope both the players and coaches all get their shit together and soon, but I'm one for letting him finish his contract at the least.

 

[boxy99]

I think our players are overrated by us on BF, I'm not sure they will become the players they were hyped to be. We even have another thread going about which 3 players we would like to steal.
Other rucks have gone past ours, our midfield is getting smashed and our forward and backlines are deplorable, because of the cattle. Is it buckley's fault for the players on the list? Partly I guess.
Hope both the players and coaches all get their shit together and soon, but I'm one for letting him finish his contract at the least.

I disagree with you. There is nothing wrong with the list, it's what you do with the list you have. Look as the bombers for example there list is putrid but with a good system in place there actually playing good footy.

I believe it's the coaches and development that are a big reason for us not taking the next step. Even look at Hawthorne. There not filled with top 10 draft picks. The players they bring in, they develop them and turn them into elite players.

 

[FreddoFrog65]

To me this thread basically seems like an irrational rant about other people having irrational rants. I don't really see it's purpose other than to call a whole bunch of people backstabbers for not supporting the coach which I don't think is justified anyway seeing as he's been in that role since 2012.

And fwiw my view on the coach is not to sack immediately but to give him at least until mid season. We've been as bad as I've seen us the last 3 weeks but I doubt that things will keep on going as badly as they have. However if we go down to Melbourne and Essendon his leadership is probably terminal imo and it is probably to our benefit to start looking for a new coach asap given there's usually a few clubs looking for coaches per season.

Having read some of your posts from the past, I guess it's hard to take notice of anyone who has said "I hope we lose...." previously. No matter what opinions anyone has on topics based around Collingwood, I don't think I would ever hope for that.....

 

[FreddoFrog65]

Where do you keep pulling this "after 3 games" crap from? Buckley has been coach for 5 years, and every year we have gotten worse and worse. We are literally on the track to becoming a bottom 4 team, it's not like we have much better youth than other teams too.

Who do I recommend we replace Buckley with? Round up all the best candidates and have them present themselves in formal interviews then pick the best one... no point throwing around a specific name now.

Thought it was Round 4 of Season 2016....but I could be wrong!

Your views are valid and understand the disappointment, but I guess my view is that if the club has backed the coach (only 3 weeks ago they gave him an extension) then we need to back their confidence.

If we cut Bucks loose, then that is fine as well. I will be supporting the Pies anyway, as the club is more important than any individual.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Sack the coach.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

There is nothing more moronic on a discussion board than posters who say you can't discuss.

Mods should hand out perma bans to anyone trying to stifle freedom of speech

So when did you first start believing freedom of speech existed?

 

[FreddoFrog65]

I've backed bucks for years but I can't hide my rage anymore. Our club made a stupid decision which IMO cost us at least 1 flag with MM cracking it. And bucks simply has tunnel vision and can't pick a side

Hard to dispute your view. My thoughts on the Malthouse / Buckley changeover is that MM made some calls on players like O'Bree and Lockyer in 2010 for our success that he may not have made if there wasn't an "end date" on his tenure.

In the end, it gave us a flag and the chance for another in 2011. Whether MM would have been a great coach from 2012 onwards....who knows.

 

[10571z]

Hard to dispute your view. My thoughts on the Malthouse / Buckley changeover is that MM made some calls on players like O'Bree and Lockyer in 2010 for our success that he may not have made if there wasn't an "end date" on his tenure.

In the end, it gave us a flag and the chance for another in 2011. Whether MM would have been a great coach from 2012 onwards....who knows.

Ive heard this argument a few times and i disagree. I would say its almost the complete opposite dropping the older blokes to introduce fresh kids to win a flag. You would usually play your older players instead of trying to develop young kids to win a flag in 2 years. Dropping Lockyer/O'bree would generally take teams further away from a flag. He brought guys in like Blair who had a sudden impact as a first year player.

 

[No SPIN]

Where do you keep pulling this "after 3 games" crap from? Buckley has been coach for 5 years, and every year we have gotten worse and worse. We are literally on the track to becoming a bottom 4 team, it's not like we have much better youth than other teams too.

Who do I recommend we replace Buckley with? Round up all the best candidates and have them present themselves in formal interviews then pick the best one... no point throwing around a specific name now.

You like many others here have the very myopic view of focussing simply on ladder position as the SINGLE measure of a coaches capability.

That keeps you quiet when we are doing well such as when we were 8-3 in the last 2 seasons and then out spoken at the end of the year when finishing outside the eight.
You ignore all the positives that got us to 8-3 and ONLY blame the coach for the poor second half.

Sadly you guys are so unsophisticated that you have no capacity to make any seriously credible assessment of Buckley due to your fixation on the single measure of ladder position.