A solution for tanking

[rines]

i am so sick of ppl wanting their team to lose.. its deplorable.. so why can't we swap to a system whereby:

13th:1st pick
14th: 4th pick
15th: 3rd pick
16th: 2nd pick
12: 5 and then so on as per normal..

realistically teams that are finishing between 8-12 would still be in the hunt for the finals and therefore not tanking.. and that way there is a reward for finishing higher up the ladder..

most top 4 picks are pretty good anyway but this way there is an incentive to win and keep winning.. even when you are out of the finals..

thoughts?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No, silly idea. There honestly is no right way. The "best" idea and even it has flaws is the lottery system, but I'd hate to see teams that finish in the top 8 getting the 1st pick. I am happy to leave it as it is. Tanking or not, it is the best way in regards to the draft.

 

[Bombers42]

Yer unfortunatly with ur system the teams who really do need the draft picks wont get them

 

[Storyboy]

As I have mentioned before, I favour a limited lottery system.

Teams finishing 9-16 draw for picks 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, 49-56.
Teams finishing 1-8 draw for picks 9-16, 25-32, 41-48, 57-64.

Same as with the Pre-Season Draft.

No Priority Picks!!!

No limit on trades of picks whatsoever, players need not be part of trades.

There is still a draft advantage to finishing in the bottom half of the ladder, but there is no advantage to finishing last. True, the last placed team might get shafted by the luck of the draw, but that is unlikely to happen year in year out and anything would be better than the stench that currently hangs over the system.

To those who think that it ain't broke so don't fix it - sorry guys, but its broke. There needs to be a change. The AFL will not give up on socialism, so a limited form of socialism should still be incorporated.

I have also got some notion that a limited free licence would benefit the game, but I have not thought it through yet.

 

[monty1104]

As I have mentioned before, I favour a limited lottery system.

Teams finishing 9-16 draw for picks 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, 49-56.
Teams finishing 1-8 draw for picks 9-16, 25-32, 41-48, 57-64.

Same as with the Pre-Season Draft.

No Priority Picks!!!

No limit on trades of picks whatsoever, players need not be part of trades.

There is still a draft advantage to finishing in the bottom half of the ladder, but there is no advantage to finishing last. True, the last placed team might get shafted by the luck of the draw, but that is unlikely to happen year in year out and anything would be better than the stench that currently hangs over the system.

To those who think that it ain't broke so don't fix it - sorry guys, but its broke. There needs to be a change. The AFL will not give up on socialism, so a limited form of socialism should still be incorporated.

I have also got some notion that a limited free licence would benefit the game, but I have not thought it through yet.

I agree with the lottery system aswell, however it shouldnt just be a case of teams 9-16 get picks 1-8. I like the NBA system how the bottom team gets 250 out of 1000 chances (correct me if im wrong) and the top team gets like 1 out of 1000. So tanking gets you a better chance of a pick, but the pick still isnt guaranteed, so teams still want to win, however the teams that finish the lowest still have a decent chance of rebuilding.

 

[VelvetSledge]

Let's let the draft picks choose where they want to go

 

[ant555]

Ban tanks ?

 

[Jesse Custer]

Ban tanks ?

Their still needed in war

 

[MadBomberfan]

No system is fool proof. And Carlton would prove that going by recent antics.

The NBA draft lottery is a good model. The worst team may not necessarily get the first pick, but they have as much chance as other low finishing clubs. Whether it's the bottom 8, or bottom 4 who are in the lottery for the first lottery batch could be food for further discussion.

I think maybe doing it in lots of 4 is better than 8, as it will then truly be the most needy clubs getting the first draft picks.

Has to be better than the debacle that we have now.

 

[warney7]

Regardless of whatever system is in place, teams may still appear to be tanking.

It's only that there has been such as huge reward for losing games that this has all come about.

Teams who are rebuilding must give their youngsters game time, there is no other way to do it.

The lottery system would get rid of the tanking talk, but it won't stop teams from giving their kids as many games as possible.

 

[NewBabyBombaz]

As I have mentioned before, I favour a limited lottery system.

Teams finishing 9-16 draw for picks 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, 49-56.
Teams finishing 1-8 draw for picks 9-16, 25-32, 41-48, 57-64.

This system is good, however i still feel that it should not be completely random, eg team that finishes 16th has a 50% chance at drawing #1 draft pick, 15th team has a 25% chance 14th team has a 10% chance, 13th team has a 5% chance, ECT, so that it is weighted so that its more likely for team that finishes 16th to get number one pick than team that finishes 9th, however anything is possible in this system, lessening the rewards for tanking!

 

[Duckworth]

As I have mentioned before, I favour a limited lottery system.

Teams finishing 9-16 draw for picks 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, 49-56.
Teams finishing 1-8 draw for picks 9-16, 25-32, 41-48, 57-64.

Same as with the Pre-Season Draft.

No Priority Picks!!!

No limit on trades of picks whatsoever, players need not be part of trades.

There is still a draft advantage to finishing in the bottom half of the ladder, but there is no advantage to finishing last. True, the last placed team might get shafted by the luck of the draw, but that is unlikely to happen year in year out and anything would be better than the stench that currently hangs over the system.

To those who think that it ain't broke so don't fix it - sorry guys, but its broke. There needs to be a change. The AFL will not give up on socialism, so a limited form of socialism should still be incorporated.

I have also got some notion that a limited free licence would benefit the game, but I have not thought it through yet.

This is a good idea. I would probably go to 4 tiers though... ie
1-4 picks 13-16
5-8 picks 9-12
9-12 picks 5-8
13-16 picks 1-4 (and so on....)

sorry it seems like i have stolen your idea ... In reality i don't see it happening though. I don't think the current drafting system is a big enough problem to change it atm. With new clubs coming in soon I wouldn't be expecting the AFL would want to change it for a while yet.

 

[eth-dog]

how about while the finals are on, we have a bottom 8 finals as well? and the winner gets top draft pick? i.e. on the current ladder:
Melbourne vs Essendon (1st elim final)
Freo vs WCE (2nd elim final)
North vs Port (1st qual final)
Saints vs Tigers (2nd qual final)

then normal system. thoughts?

 

[DarthAnnihl8or]

how about while the finals are on, we have a bottom 8 finals as well? and the winner gets top draft pick? i.e. on the current ladder:
Melbourne vs Essendon (1st elim final)
Freo vs WCE (2nd elim final)
North vs Port (1st qual final)
Saints vs Tigers (2nd qual final)

then normal system. thoughts?

Wouldn't work I don't think as that would be setup for the 8th side to win it.

Even with the Draft Lottery, teams will still tank to get a better chance at the number 1 draft pick. The Miami Heat did it in the NBA this year. If we did have a lottery the top 8 teams can't be in it and the bottom team has to have a better chance at getting the number 1 DP.

 

[Storyboy]

I would be happy to have the lottery divided four about rather than eight, but I still think that there should be NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever for finishing last. To me that is the key to addess the tanking issue. While the advantage exists, the appearance will exisit and for some teams, the temptation will be there.

I think it won't happen either. But it should. This is a blight on the game and is the only thing about the game that has ever made me angry. And I am furious about it, because I don't want this situation to continue.

 

[Slattery_20]

Award the 1st pick to the 1st team ruled out of finals & so on. So there'd be no bonus for playing especially poorly after you're ruled out, & to tank would be to set out at the start of the year not to make finals.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Award the 1st pick to the 1st team ruled out of finals & so on. So there'd be no bonus for playing especially poorly after you're ruled out, & to tank would be to set out at the start of the year not to make finals.

I had this idea. Gets a bit tricky when several teams are ruled out on the same weekend. The lower percentage goes out first I guess.

 

[Slattery_20]

Yeah, I can't claim it either as I saw it somewhere else
Seems the fairest way to me, doesn't disadvantage anyone
Don't know how you'd fit priority picks in though