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Pippen94

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Doesnt read like more problems really. Its certainly not the funding or how much the club makes, its expenditure related, and the club isnt alone in the COLA stakes.
Article doesn't even mention cola. It's about league sending financial fixer to club to sought it out. That doesn't happen if everything is going swimmingly
 

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The_Wookie

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Article doesn't even mention cola. It's about league sending financial fixer to club to sought it out. That doesn't happen if everything is going swimmingly
So you didnt even read the article. get past the headline son.

According to sources familiar with conversations between the league and club, the main point of contention seems to be centred on the cost of living in Sydney and how the club continues to pay overs to its staff and players to stay.
 

Professor Knowall

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Article doesn't even mention cola. It's about league sending financial fixer to club to sought it out. That doesn't happen if everything is going swimmingly
Hahaha - read the article next time. ... and as it turned out, it was GWS that initiated the review in order to try and have their soft salary cap increased.

The article also mentioned ... "The Giants have backing from a coterie group called M7, which includes about 25 American-based investors who support the Giants without seeking publicity....". They've got deep pockets apparently - hence they want the right to spend more.

Thanks to Pip for calling attention to this ... even though it ain't what he thought it was.
 

Pippen94

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Hahaha - read the article next time. ... and as it turned out, it was GWS that initiated the review in order to try and have their soft salary cap increased.

The article also mentioned ... "The Giants have backing from a coterie group called M7, which includes about 25 American-based investors who support the Giants without seeking publicity....". They've got deep pockets apparently - hence they want the right to spend more.

Thanks to Pip for calling attention to this ... even though it ain't what he thought it was.
Sounds like they're propped up & now begging for more handouts.
 

Pippen94

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You idiot.
We know club exists only because of afl support & funding has taken 3 million dollar hit. Club posted 7 million in loses & now the league has sent this guy in to trouble shot with suggestion of discarded cola returning.
Do we who these yanks are & how much they contribute or could that just be a smokescreen for something?!
 

General Giant

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We know club exists only because of afl support & funding has taken 3 million dollar hit. Club posted 7 million in loses & now the league has sent this guy in to trouble shot with suggestion of discarded cola returning.
Do we who these yanks are how much they contribute or could that just be a smokescreen for something?!
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Actually I will, 1 last time, try to have a civil conversation with you.

- Our club exist due to the tv deal and the growth in grassroots. This is fact.

- yep it’s a covid year last year. Swans posted 6mil.

- the talk was about spending and how we can improve it and put it to better use.

- Yes it is known who they are. 1 of them was appointed to our board.

- They actually want to buy the club.

Now can you discuss or should we go back to you ranting/trolling and me taking the piss?
 
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Pippen94

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Actually I will, 1 last time, try to have a civil conversation with you.

- Our club exist due to the tv deal and the growth in grassroots. This is fact.

- yep it’s a covid year last year. Swans posted 6mil.

- the talk was about spending and how we can improve it and put it to better use.

- Yes it is known who they are. 1 of them was appointed to our board.

- They actually want to buy the club.

Now can you discuss or should we go back to you ranting/trolling and me taking the piss?
Your club exists for broadcasting rights to point competition was rigged to give draft picks & allowances to increase chances a Sydney team makes finals every year.

There was no demand for a team from any local. Looking at crowds & ratings probably still isn't.

Grassroots in Western Sydney are next to nothing. Some competitions see teams travel half way across city for game.

You're team loses money most years from even bigger handouts from league. Team wouldn't exist without afl propping up.

Great, now tell me how much thses americans contribute?? Of course they want to buy as league entirely footing bill.
 

General Giant

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Your club exists for broadcasting rights to point competition was rigged to give draft picks & allowances to increase chances a Sydney team makes finals every year.

There was no demand for a team from any local. Looking at crowds & ratings probably still isn't.

Grassroots in Western Sydney are next to nothing. Some competitions see teams travel half way across city for game.

You're team loses money most years from even bigger handouts from league. Team wouldn't exist without afl propping up.

Great, now tell me how much thses americans contribute?? Of course they want to buy as league entirely footing bill.
So that’s a no on having civil discussion and you want to troll.

Ok.
 

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Professor Knowall

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... Grassroots in Western Sydney are next to nothing. Some competitions see teams travel half way across city for game. ...
It appears Pip's paranoia and anxiety about the inexorable growth of our great Australian game in Sydney is growing to ever new levels - and with good reason. With 123 teams from 23 clubs playing across 7 senior men's divisions (and yes, the Premier Division teams can indeed travel halfway across the city so the best get to play against the best), 4 women's divisions, a Master's Division and 2 separate under 19 leagues (that's at last count - it's hard to keep up as the numbers just keeps increasing every year), it's now a long way more than "next to nothing" (it might've been true 20 years ago - far from it now). So I sympathise with poor Pip - if I was him, I'd be frightened too.
 
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BringBackTorps

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NoobPie has provided details of a survey in Dr H. Fujak's new Book "Code Wars The Battle For Fans, Dollars, & Survival".
(This book provides the most comprehensive information, analysis, & considered future predictions on the 4 football codes ever published in Aust.)

NoobPie said, re the survey

"22% of Sydneysiders follow the AFL, compared to just 12% of Melburnians following the NRL.
8% of Sydneysiders follow the AFL, but not League, compared just 2% of Melburnians following League, but not AFL".


It should be noted that, in about the last 10 years up to 2019, there was a net increase in migration into Vic. from NSW & Qld.

Hopefully, other BF contributors can obtain the book, a share their views here on the diverse, & very detailed, range of topics it covers- all very pertinent for the BF Industry Forum.
 
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Pippen94

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NoobPie has provided details of a survey in Dr H. Fujak's new Book "Code Wars The Battle For Fans, Dollars, & Survival".
(This book provides the most comprehensive information, analysis, & considered future predictions on the 4 football codes ever published in Aust.)

NoobPie said, re the survey

"22% of Sydneysiders follow the AFL, compared to just 12% of Melburnians following the NRL.
8% of Sydneysiders follow the AFL, but not League, compared just 2% of Melburnians following League, but not AFL".


It should be noted that, in about the last 10 years up to 2019, there was a net increase in migration into Vic. from NSW & Qld.

Hopefully, other BF contributors can obtain the book, a share their views here on the diverse, & very detailed, range of topics it covers- all very pertinent for the BF Industry Forum.
22% of ppl don't follow afl
 

NoobPie

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22% of ppl don't follow afl

That's from the book written by a soccer / league dude from Sydney. It's based on a 2017 national database survey of 27,000 people by a commercial entity (presumably Roy Morgan) who were asked preferences across 34 sports and the data was then processed to ensure it was representative. So it is pretty hard not to conclude it is as credible an estimate as anything else.

Sydney is also the only city were there are more interested in soccer than AFL - soccer has 32% in Sydney

In Brisbane, 24% of people are interested in Australian football (the second most popular football code in QLD), 22% union (union's best state) but only 20% soccer - and this survey was taken in a year where Brisbane and the Suns finished bottom 2
 

NoobPie

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So 32k watching each week is made up of a pool of a million different ppl?! That 22% number is nonsense
Wait, whaaaat?

So let's be real generous and say that all of the 11k people watching the Wanderers games nationally are actually all in Sydney.....what does that say about interest in soccer in Sydney? Or is it that not all people interested in a sport are watching every single event in that sport?

The survey includes people for whom AFL might be there 2nd, 3rd and even 4th football code.

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