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This worked for the Swans with Barrassi and Lockett.
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This worked for the Swans with Barrassi and Lockett.
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* your and you forgot a comma.
Very ‘hypocritical’ throwing out the comprehension of a child accusations considering you can’t get it right multiple times now but you do you big man.
Have a nice day.
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Thankyou and thankyou for repeatedly advertising the fact that the WCE started behind Fremantle in the AFLW business.
If you hadn't noticed I don't mind advertising the fact that the WCE started behind Fremantle in the AFLW business.
RedV3x
It's about time some mods started being fair
Why do you even bother with what an ill-informed English rag prints.
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ok.
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Because the Daily Mail, basically stole the story from The Australian, so copy it from there I guess, as The Australian has tightened up their paywalls and even blocked the - archive.today webpage capture site - from displaying their stories. Ie this site
archive.ph
and this is now all that the the Oz will let you see, basically a screenshot of the first screen.
Whereas other News Corp papers aren't blocked from being archived / captured - yet.
I too thought it was strange the Daily Mail had the story, wasn't going to read it, but I did and saw the link to the The Australian's story at the end of the article and a couple of other links they pinched info off, but it was virtually a copy and paste of The Australian's story.
Lol who cares? Where has focusing on only recruiting private school kids got rugby. ******* nowhere, if you are aiming to grow the game through school participation aim to establish a strong schools comp in the schools most Australians go to(And then there were two...
Of the schools in the Sydney elite GPS, CAS, & ISA comps., only Kings School Parramatta WS, & Scots College Bellevue Hill ES, have never offered full season school comp. AF: a disgrace. AF is the biggest sport in Australia, & there are many jnrs in Kings & Scots local areas playing Club AF. Must protect Rugger).
St Augustine's, Brookvale (opposite Manly's NRL Brookvale Oval), in NS, is a boys' School with c. 1400 students (& with an Application to Council- demolish an adjoining house etc.- to expand to 1600+) in yr5 - yr12. Part of the elite ISA group of schools, it is a RU powerhouse.
After c. 3 decades of "courting" by AF officials, it has, in 2022 decided, for the first time, to enter teams in a full season school AF comp.
It has entered 3 teams, in the yr 5/6, & yr 7/8 comps. Its yr 5/6 students won their first game of school comp. AF last week in Rd 1, vs St Pats.
Pius X Chatswood NS (which won its first game in Rd.1), along with St Pat's Strathfield Inner WS, are also new to a full season school AF comp. AF. All 3 schools are Catholic; as is Mount St Benedict Pennant Hills NW Sydney, which has also started, in 2022, full season school AF girls' comp. for the first time- together with girls from Barker College Hornsby NS, also new starters to a school AF comp. in 2022.
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The nos. of male & female students in the Sydney private schools elite sporting comps. (& other private & state schools) playing school AF are thriving.
It can be expected that, in future years, the above 5 schools will continue to add strongly to the nos. of their students playing AF for their schools.
Ditto, an improvement in school female AF comp. nos. in all Sydney private schools, since, in 2022, a new girls' winter school comp. has been added. This will add more opportunities for girls to play school AF- previously, & still continuing, the elite private school comps. play their girls' AF comps. in Terms 1 & 4.
We may be seeing more Catholic schools (which also have their own, bigger sports' comp.) playing in school AF comps. in the future in Sydney (& NSW).
As per the above post #4506, Sydney Catholic Schools new Sports Council, formed in December 2021, announced then
"Another focus of the Council will be the expansion of inter-school sport, introducing new sports within schools, and creating more before and after school sporting programs...[&] will help connect Sydney Catholic Schools with the wider sports industry (my emphases)".
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Nthn. NSW Hunter Valley club RL President, M. Alchin, "with almost 6 decades in the sport", said
“...However, we’ve got to look after our juniors; we don’t want to lose them to union, AFL or soccer (Interestingly, he nominated AF after RU, as the problem)...Clubs are collapsing because they don’t have the young ones coming through anymore,” Alchin said.
“It’s sad to say but country rugby league is dying. [No- but it is in significant decline throughout country NSW]
“Some groups used to have eight-to-10 teams in their competition. Now, they’re down to four-to-six".
(Thus a c. 25%-50% or 60% decline in GR male contact RL nos. in some non-Sydney RL Group areas.
Non-Sydney GR contact RL nos. are, however, still much bigger, cf non-Sydney GR AF nos.- excluding Sthn. NSW, an AF heartland: GR AF is far bigger).
Newcastle Weekly journalist R. Thompson said
"The dearth of young talent in country areas is now impacting many groups throughout the state.
Just recently, the Junee Diesels pulled up stumps while others like the Bellingen Magpies (Group 2), Camden Haven Eagles (Group 3), Menindee Yabbies, Wilcannia Boomerangs, Menindee Wedge Tail Eagles (ex-Group 12), Cooma Stallions, Candelo Bemboka Panthers (Group 16), Guyra Super Spuds, Glen Innes Magpies (Group 19), Casino Cougars (Group 1), to name a few, have also followed the same path".
(These Groups are based over the breadth of country NSW. All emphases, & most words in brackets, mine).
newcastleweekly.com.au
Some country RL clubs, to survive, specifically seek/recruit players, from Sydney & overseas etc.- offering them good $ to play, & also obtain for them local full time jobs.
It should be noted that, for many decades in Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. rural & regional areas, GR AF clubs have been "into recesss" for a period, merging, diminishing, or even folding (due to demographic & economic changes in these areas).
The above applies to country NSW & & Qld. GR RL clubs also- but an additional problem for NSW & Qld. country areas is some of these RL clubs are having significant competition from the rise of AF clubs in their vicinity.
Country Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. GR AF clubs do not have significant competition from GR RL clubs in the vicinty.
eg Casino FC, northern NSW, created in 2021- it is the only AF club in Casino area, & hasn't won a game in 2021 or 2022. Over 50 adult male players went to its preseason training sessions.
This probably has had a negative impact on the failure of the Casino RLC snrs.
Casino FC Facebook 8.8.21
"Yesterday was our final game for the 2021 season. We may not have got the win but our boys showed a lot of heart and effort against the best team in the league. ... the team pushed through and finished the year with their heads held high, these boys have stayed committed throughout the whole year and indured the losses and still stuck around.
It was only our first year and we may not have won a game but we are building something pretty special at this club. We came into this season with 50 players (my emphasis) and only having 6 players that have played in the past four years which is a credit to all of our first year players who have really stepped up and become core members of the team.
Big things are coming in year two of the club in the 2022 season.
".
“...However, we’ve got to look after our juniors; we don’t want to lose them to union, AFL or soccer (Interestingly, he nominated AF after RU, as the problem)...Clubs are collapsing because they don’t have the young ones coming through anymore,” Alchin said.
“It’s sad to say but country rugby league is dying. [No- but it is in significant decline throughout country NSW]
“Some groups used to have eight-to-10 teams in their competition. Now, they’re down to four-to-six".
(Thus a c. 25%-50% or 60% decline in GR male contact RL nos. in some non-Sydney RL Group areas.
Non-Sydney GR contact RL nos. are, however, still much bigger, cf non-Sydney GR AF nos.- excluding Sthn. NSW, an AF heartland: GR AF is far bigger).
Newcastle Weekly journalist R. Thompson said
"The dearth of young talent in country areas is now impacting many groups throughout the state.
Just recently, the Junee Diesels pulled up stumps while others like the Bellingen Magpies (Group 2), Camden Haven Eagles (Group 3), Menindee Yabbies, Wilcannia Boomerangs, Menindee Wedge Tail Eagles (ex-Group 12), Cooma Stallions, Candelo Bemboka Panthers (Group 16), Guyra Super Spuds, Glen Innes Magpies (Group 19), Casino Cougars (Group 1), to name a few, have also followed the same path".
(These Groups are based over the breadth of country NSW. All emphases, & most words in brackets, mine).
Bulldogs president concerned about state of country rugby league
Kurri Kurri Bulldogs president Mick Alchin admits he holds great fears for the future of country rugby league.
newcastleweekly.com.au
Some country RL clubs, to survive, specifically seek/recruit players, from Sydney & overseas etc.- offering them good $ to play, & also obtain for them local full time jobs.
It should be noted that, for many decades in Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. rural & regional areas, GR AF clubs have been "into recesss" for a period, merging, diminishing, or even folding (due to demographic & economic changes in these areas).
The above applies to country NSW & & Qld. GR RL clubs also- but an additional problem for NSW & Qld. country areas is some of these RL clubs are having significant competition from the rise of AF clubs in their vicinity.
Country Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. GR AF clubs do not have significant competition from GR RL clubs in the vicinty.
eg Casino FC, northern NSW, created in 2021- it is the only AF club in Casino area, & hasn't won a game in 2021 or 2022. Over 50 adult male players went to its preseason training sessions.
This probably has had a negative impact on the failure of the Casino RLC snrs.
Casino FC Facebook 8.8.21
"Yesterday was our final game for the 2021 season. We may not have got the win but our boys showed a lot of heart and effort against the best team in the league. ... the team pushed through and finished the year with their heads held high, these boys have stayed committed throughout the whole year and indured the losses and still stuck around.
It was only our first year and we may not have won a game but we are building something pretty special at this club. We came into this season with 50 players (my emphasis) and only having 6 players that have played in the past four years which is a credit to all of our first year players who have really stepped up and become core members of the team.
Big things are coming in year two of the club in the 2022 season.
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1. Daily Telegraph K. Hogan 6.5.22
Another article on the major decline in [male] GR contact RL nos. in country NSW.
K. Hogan said
"The heartland of rugby league is on its knees, with country folk who live for their footy now watching the game crumble under the weight of Covid’s legacy, encroaching codes and a dire shortage of players and cash"...
VISA ROADBLOCK
The Diesels were blindsided when eight Fijian recruits who were meant to arrive in Junee before Christmas failed to arrive in the country. The club had looked to overseas workers who were going to work at the abattoirs as their last-ditch attempt to field a first grade side...
“If they had arrived in March, I think more local players could have seen the potential for a side,” Diesels president David Holt said...
Junee isn’t alone in looking overseas to fill bush footy teams, with neighbouring towns Temora and Cootamundra building their rugby union and league sides with international recruits...
THE CODE WAR
The age-old rivalry between league and Aussie rules continues to run strong in the Riverina and the women’s AFL competition is creating big challenges for NSWRL.
Women’s AFL is the fastest growing competition in the Riverina with a 118 per cent expansion in the sport since 2019. Seven new (adult female) clubs have formed in the last three years (Four in 2022- very slow before then!)...
THE NSWRL PLAN
Group 9 (Riverina)... has already farewelled the Tumbarumba Greens, Cootamundra Bulldogs and Harden Murrumburrah Hawks in recent years due to a lack of playing depth.
In 2020, NSWRL rolled out the One State plan (ie covering all NSW, & combining country RL Groups, due to declining male contact nos.) in an attempt to save bush footy clubs. But many locals are still concerned the sport is in danger of fading into obscurity in the country (Words in brackets, & emphases in sentences, mine)".
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It should be noted that, at higher level GR adult AF games, there are very few occasions when the male field umpire would be left alone with a female umpire ie before the game, at 1/2 time, & at the end of the game, other boundary & goal umpires would also be in the Umpires' Room. At the end of the game, the GU's score cards also are brought over.
Presence, in the Umpires' Room, of GU's & BU's, becomes less likely at many lower level Reserves' & Thirds' games- club GU & BU umpires are provided.
Have the issues you raise been widely & openly discussed amongst GR & WAFL clubs in WA?
If so, what remedial steps were taken?
And why do these issues, of women's competitive imbalance & relatively poor WA GR adult female comp. player nos., remain?
Are the full time WA AF administrators on KPI's, that are publicly revealed; & their Reviews also publicised?
Another article on the major decline in [male] GR contact RL nos. in country NSW.
K. Hogan said
"The heartland of rugby league is on its knees, with country folk who live for their footy now watching the game crumble under the weight of Covid’s legacy, encroaching codes and a dire shortage of players and cash"...
VISA ROADBLOCK
The Diesels were blindsided when eight Fijian recruits who were meant to arrive in Junee before Christmas failed to arrive in the country. The club had looked to overseas workers who were going to work at the abattoirs as their last-ditch attempt to field a first grade side...
“If they had arrived in March, I think more local players could have seen the potential for a side,” Diesels president David Holt said...
Junee isn’t alone in looking overseas to fill bush footy teams, with neighbouring towns Temora and Cootamundra building their rugby union and league sides with international recruits...
THE CODE WAR
The age-old rivalry between league and Aussie rules continues to run strong in the Riverina and the women’s AFL competition is creating big challenges for NSWRL.
Women’s AFL is the fastest growing competition in the Riverina with a 118 per cent expansion in the sport since 2019. Seven new (adult female) clubs have formed in the last three years (Four in 2022- very slow before then!)...
THE NSWRL PLAN
Group 9 (Riverina)... has already farewelled the Tumbarumba Greens, Cootamundra Bulldogs and Harden Murrumburrah Hawks in recent years due to a lack of playing depth.
In 2020, NSWRL rolled out the One State plan (ie covering all NSW, & combining country RL Groups, due to declining male contact nos.) in an attempt to save bush footy clubs. But many locals are still concerned the sport is in danger of fading into obscurity in the country (Words in brackets, & emphases in sentences, mine)".
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I am a GR field umpire, & IMO, sexual abuse by male GR field umpires against female umpires is very rare- "the "word would get out" if it was happening, the offending male umpire should know this; & there would be severe penalties for the male umpires concerned. It would be very difficult to conceal- & keep concealed for a very long time. I have never heard of such reports.
It should be noted that, at higher level GR adult AF games, there are very few occasions when the male field umpire would be left alone with a female umpire ie before the game, at 1/2 time, & at the end of the game, other boundary & goal umpires would also be in the Umpires' Room. At the end of the game, the GU's score cards also are brought over.
Presence, in the Umpires' Room, of GU's & BU's, becomes less likely at many lower level Reserves' & Thirds' games- club GU & BU umpires are provided.
Have the issues you raise been widely & openly discussed amongst GR & WAFL clubs in WA?
If so, what remedial steps were taken?
And why do these issues, of women's competitive imbalance & relatively poor WA GR adult female comp. player nos., remain?
Are the full time WA AF administrators on KPI's, that are publicly revealed; & their Reviews also publicised?
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RedV3x
It's about time some mods started being fair
I cannot believe that situation. (Not disputing it, just cannot believe it)
RedV3x
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The problem is one of critical mass. Towns economies shrink to the point where there simply isn't enough players and no support for a professional team.
Having different sports offering alternatives (especially more appropriate alternatives) doesn't help.
RedV3x
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W.A. is only marginally behind Victoria and Queensland for female football competition.
As stated earlier adult female football has transitioned from an amateur women's competition to an athletic WAFL competition
and some WAFL clubs have adjusted quicker than others.
You'd probably have to ask the AFL why aren't they devoting more to grassroots that don't carry the "AFL" banner.
With regards WA, its one of those situations where a situation can develop easily, be easily identified, but hard to fix.1. Daily Telegraph K. Hogan 6.5.22
Another article on the major decline in [male] GR contact RL nos. in country NSW.
K. Hogan said
"The heartland of rugby league is on its knees, with country folk who live for their footy now watching the game crumble under the weight of Covid’s legacy, encroaching codes and a dire shortage of players and cash"...
VISA ROADBLOCK
The Diesels were blindsided when eight Fijian recruits who were meant to arrive in Junee before Christmas failed to arrive in the country. The club had looked to overseas workers who were going to work at the abattoirs as their last-ditch attempt to field a first grade side...
“If they had arrived in March, I think more local players could have seen the potential for a side,” Diesels president David Holt said...
Junee isn’t alone in looking overseas to fill bush footy teams, with neighbouring towns Temora and Cootamundra building their rugby union and league sides with international recruits...
THE CODE WAR
The age-old rivalry between league and Aussie rules continues to run strong in the Riverina and the women’s AFL competition is creating big challenges for NSWRL.
Women’s AFL is the fastest growing competition in the Riverina with a 118 per cent expansion in the sport since 2019. Seven new (adult female) clubs have formed in the last three years (Four in 2022- very slow before then!)...
THE NSWRL PLAN
Group 9 (Riverina)... has already farewelled the Tumbarumba Greens, Cootamundra Bulldogs and Harden Murrumburrah Hawks in recent years due to a lack of playing depth.
In 2020, NSWRL rolled out the One State plan (ie covering all NSW, & combining country RL Groups) in an attempt to save bush footy clubs. But many locals are still concerned the sport is in danger of fading into obscurity in the country (Words in brackets, & emphases in sentences, mine)".
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I am a GR field umpire, & IMO, sexual abuse by male GR field umpires against female umpires is very rare- "the "word would get out" if it was happening, the offending male umpire should know this; & there would be severe penalties for the male umpires concerned. It would be very difficult to conceal- & keep concealed for a very long time. I have never heard of such reports.
It should be noted that, at higher level GR adult AF games, there are very few occasions when the male field umpire would be left alone with a female umpire ie before the game, at 1/2 time, & at the end of the game, other boundary & goal umpires would also be in the Umpires' Room. At the end of the game, the GU's score cards also are brought over.
Presence, in the Umpires' Room, of GU's & BU's, becomes less likely at many lower level Reserves' & Thirds' games- club GU & BU umpires are provided.
Have the issues you raise been widely & openly discussed amongst GR & WAFL clubs in WA?
If so, what remedial steps were taken?
And why do these issues, of women's competitive imbalance & relatively poor WA GR adult female comp. player nos., remain?
Are the full time WA AF administrators on KPI's, that are publicly revealed; & their Reviews also publicised?
When the WAFL took over the senior tier of womens footy, one of the objectives was to make sure that tier was at a sufficiently high standard, but the extremely lopsided nature of the comp up to that point (plus the fact many of the WA women were now playing interstate) meant that wasnt happening without tinkering.
So only the stronger clubs took part, and players from the other clubs were loaned out to them.
Long term this wasn't ideal. It meant 5 clubs would be feeding into 2 AFLW clubs, too small a base inmop. In Vic its worse, but they have stronger third tier clubs feeding into the VFLW, making that a stronger more consistent comp.
It also would have meant that those weaker clubs not in the WAFLW initially would struggle to get strong enough to compete.
West Perth was added this year, and predictably hasn't won a a game, and has a percentage of 11. Also predictably, the 'loan' players that went to other clubs, turned out to not be loan players, as largely, West Perth didn't get them back.
Of course, the previous team added back into the league (South Fremantle) is second last.
Being seen as easy beats, or worse, not good enough to be in the league at all, must hamper your ability to attract and develop players. But realistically, there arent enough players to go to 9 teams now, without gutting the existing teams. So, how do they improve these teams?
So, I think there is now no solution but the long grind of developing the base, and producing the depth of talent to even out and expand the comp.
The worry, based on past performance, is the existing strong clubs will of course get any good players identified (no point sending highly promising 16 year olds to clubs with no league team), and will not be willing to give them up in the future, even if they come from East Perth of Perth.
We need some long term thinking for the good of the whole league (including those not in it), rather than short term solutions based on the needs of the AFLW clubs, or the strong clubs. But either way, the path to 9 decently strong decently competitive WAFLW league teams is long and tortuous.
Great comments - Exactly what I thought had happened in cliquey WA.
It sounds like many years in time in trying to define the "The long grind of developing the base".
RedV3x
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Yes it's transitional period. Everybody should realise that.
The solution would be for the AFL to allocate more of the revenue pie to grassroots
especially grassroots not under the AFL banner b ut indeed contributing to the AFL competition.
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Another NSW "Country RL Is Dying" article (No. Male contact nos. are in a major decline- but still much bigger, above the Riverina, than NSW Country GR AF).
Daily Telegraph P. Rothfied 5.5.22
"The NSWRL is embroiled in an expensive legal row with the NRL, vwhile struggling clubs from traditional rugby league towns across NSW are either dying or in desperate need of financial assistance" (Paywall- can anyone open, & post here).
dailytelegraph.com.au
Blood on their hands: How NSWRL is killing bush footy
Lawyer fees were ticking over like a taxi metre in the NSW Supreme Court on Thursday as tens of thousands of dollars that could have
(Paywall- can anyone open, & post here?)
2. The problem for the NRL & NSWRL is that this decline in male contact nos. has been occuring for at least 17+ years+; & the NSWRL has had many public warnings, & admonishments, in the MSM.
Re the fall of GR male contact nos., RL journalist T. Butterfield (also a NRL Premiership & State Of Origin player) said
"The magnitude of the churn is unsustainable...At the non-NRL level, the game is approaching a tipping-point, beyond which recovery will be difficult" .
www.newcastleherald.com.au
There have been further merges in Newcastle Hunter RL comps., & male contact nos. continue to decline.
Can the NSWRL at lease stabilise the GR male contact RL losses? When might a GR "tipping-point" be reached? (It has plenty of funds- a $2b Rights deal from 2023-2027).
If not, the elite NRL comp. will eventually suffer from a decline in standards, crowd & ratings' falls, Rights' $ reduction, & MSM interest etc.
3. It is hoped the NSW "Parliamentary Friends of the AFL" annual event (in its 2nd year) can facilitate much greater expenditure etc. for GR AF in Sydney- where there is a major shortage of ovals in NS, ES, & Inner WS- & also agitate against the continuing discrimination/exclusion against AF by Scots College, Kings School, & St Josephs.
The NSW Opposition Leader, C. Minns, also in attendance, has just been "introduced" to AF, by his 5 y.o son, who has started Auskick!
aflnswact.com.au
4. RedV3x
(Re problems in WA in female GR AF) "The solution would be for the AFL to allocate more of the revenue pie to grassroots
especially grassroots not under the AFL banner b ut indeed contributing to the AFL competition".
WA & SA have chosen to be completely independent of the AFL- thus not available for AFL GR funding (Auskick, AFAIK, there is the only exception).
The AFL does not fund, what it does not control.
Daily Telegraph P. Rothfied 5.5.22
"The NSWRL is embroiled in an expensive legal row with the NRL, vwhile struggling clubs from traditional rugby league towns across NSW are either dying or in desperate need of financial assistance" (Paywall- can anyone open, & post here).
dailytelegraph.com.au
Blood on their hands: How NSWRL is killing bush footy
Lawyer fees were ticking over like a taxi metre in the NSW Supreme Court on Thursday as tens of thousands of dollars that could have
(Paywall- can anyone open, & post here?)
2. The problem for the NRL & NSWRL is that this decline in male contact nos. has been occuring for at least 17+ years+; & the NSWRL has had many public warnings, & admonishments, in the MSM.
Re the fall of GR male contact nos., RL journalist T. Butterfield (also a NRL Premiership & State Of Origin player) said
"The magnitude of the churn is unsustainable...At the non-NRL level, the game is approaching a tipping-point, beyond which recovery will be difficult" .
Generation gap looms
Knights legend Tony Butterfield with some typically forthright thoughts
There have been further merges in Newcastle Hunter RL comps., & male contact nos. continue to decline.
Can the NSWRL at lease stabilise the GR male contact RL losses? When might a GR "tipping-point" be reached? (It has plenty of funds- a $2b Rights deal from 2023-2027).
If not, the elite NRL comp. will eventually suffer from a decline in standards, crowd & ratings' falls, Rights' $ reduction, & MSM interest etc.
3. It is hoped the NSW "Parliamentary Friends of the AFL" annual event (in its 2nd year) can facilitate much greater expenditure etc. for GR AF in Sydney- where there is a major shortage of ovals in NS, ES, & Inner WS- & also agitate against the continuing discrimination/exclusion against AF by Scots College, Kings School, & St Josephs.
The NSW Opposition Leader, C. Minns, also in attendance, has just been "introduced" to AF, by his 5 y.o son, who has started Auskick!
Parliamentary Friends of AFL event 2022 - AFL NSW / ACT
AFL NSW/ACT held its second annual Parliamentary Friends of AFL event on 11 May 2022 to launch the community season for NSW’s Members of Parliament. Around 100 people attended the event, which brought people together from across the political and…Read more ›
aflnswact.com.au
4. RedV3x
(Re problems in WA in female GR AF) "The solution would be for the AFL to allocate more of the revenue pie to grassroots
especially grassroots not under the AFL banner b ut indeed contributing to the AFL competition".
WA & SA have chosen to be completely independent of the AFL- thus not available for AFL GR funding (Auskick, AFAIK, there is the only exception).
The AFL does not fund, what it does not control.
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Well money is only as good as how you spend it. They squandered the profit they made last time through poor management and the game almost went bankrupt. So it is by no means a home run. But at the same time this management at the moment have made a lot of positive changes and claim that the income from Lions tour and WC will be invested into growing the game at a grass roots level.
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1. abc.net C. Atkinson & S. Lawson 12.5.22
Atkinson & Lawson said
"North of the river, players like Tom Hawkins and Shane Crawford (Finley), Leo Barry (Deniliquin) and John Longmire (Corowa-Rutherglen) have put their marks on the game, leading to that region being the most prosperous per capita (in Australia- my emphasis) for producing VFL/AFL footballers in the draft era, as comprehensively logged by Dave Slutzkin at DraftGuru".
www.abc.net.au
The major reason why it is almost a certainty that Sydney will, eventually, have a 3rd AFL club is because of the huge wealth of Sydney (& its influence in politics; & the 4 biggest MSM cos. all have their HQ's in Sydney- as are the HQ's of advertising cos. which generate 50%+ of all advertising revenue in Aust. Sydney advertising hourly rates are the highest in Aust.).
Sydney will be the first city in Australia to reach, in 2060, a $1 trillion + economy. The AFL has no choice but to "follow the money".
Sydney's population was estimated by the ABS in late 2019 to reach 8m by 2050.
A further incontrovertible factor in the importance of a 3rd club in Sydney is the potential its huge population (inc. all of NSW & ACT) has for producing AFL Draftees.
AF simply cannot allow other sports to dominate the recruitment of the vast nos. of elite athletes there.
The AFL will, obviously, want to take full advantage of all NSW & ACT- to attempt to "replicate" (probaly not quite as strongly) the extraordinary sucess of the Riverina! On a per capita basis, the Riverina is the most fertile AFL Draft area in Australia...amazing!
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If that player kicks bags of goals, even better in the Sydney market, for AFL success. Capper, Locket, Hall, & now Franklin have provided the Swans a major boost in popularity.
Also, to improve "the vibe" of GWS home games, I would prefer the cameras to be located on the wing at Giants Stadium, panning back to the main grandstand area- which is where all the GWS members are. It creates a much better spectacle for the home viewer with good crowds in the background, cf sparse crowds on the wing. "Sell the sizzle, not just the sausage".
Unlike the post 2003 WC in Australia ($45m net profit), they will not squander this windfall.
I suspect they will spend vast amounts trying to reverse the long term decline in male GR contact RU nos.
An additional use of funds is that RA has also already announced (similar strategy adopted pre the 2003 WC) it intends to recruit some NRL stars, to strenthen the Wallabies for the 2027 WC.
Will this weaken the NRL, if RA recruits (for eg) 3 NRL stars?
Atkinson & Lawson said
"North of the river, players like Tom Hawkins and Shane Crawford (Finley), Leo Barry (Deniliquin) and John Longmire (Corowa-Rutherglen) have put their marks on the game, leading to that region being the most prosperous per capita (in Australia- my emphasis) for producing VFL/AFL footballers in the draft era, as comprehensively logged by Dave Slutzkin at DraftGuru".
Which locations have provided the AFL with the most talent and the best players?
From Warrnambool to Wangaratta, Dartmoor to Darwin, and Glenelg to Glenorchy, AFL players learn their trade in all corners of the country — but which region has provided the league with the best players? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.
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The major reason why it is almost a certainty that Sydney will, eventually, have a 3rd AFL club is because of the huge wealth of Sydney (& its influence in politics; & the 4 biggest MSM cos. all have their HQ's in Sydney- as are the HQ's of advertising cos. which generate 50%+ of all advertising revenue in Aust. Sydney advertising hourly rates are the highest in Aust.).
Sydney will be the first city in Australia to reach, in 2060, a $1 trillion + economy. The AFL has no choice but to "follow the money".
Sydney's population was estimated by the ABS in late 2019 to reach 8m by 2050.
A further incontrovertible factor in the importance of a 3rd club in Sydney is the potential its huge population (inc. all of NSW & ACT) has for producing AFL Draftees.
AF simply cannot allow other sports to dominate the recruitment of the vast nos. of elite athletes there.
The AFL will, obviously, want to take full advantage of all NSW & ACT- to attempt to "replicate" (probaly not quite as strongly) the extraordinary sucess of the Riverina! On a per capita basis, the Riverina is the most fertile AFL Draft area in Australia...amazing!
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All very good points, with a reasonable chance of actually happening. It would be a very big boost for GWS to have a player who is an established "big name star". Martin would be almost perfect for garnering a big increase in attention on GWS (not as good, however, as a champion full forward).
If that player kicks bags of goals, even better in the Sydney market, for AFL success. Capper, Locket, Hall, & now Franklin have provided the Swans a major boost in popularity.
This would be very good for GWS home games.
Also, to improve "the vibe" of GWS home games, I would prefer the cameras to be located on the wing at Giants Stadium, panning back to the main grandstand area- which is where all the GWS members are. It creates a much better spectacle for the home viewer with good crowds in the background, cf sparse crowds on the wing. "Sell the sizzle, not just the sausage".
RA will likely have a net $100m + profit from hosting the Rugby WC in 2027.
Unlike the post 2003 WC in Australia ($45m net profit), they will not squander this windfall.
I suspect they will spend vast amounts trying to reverse the long term decline in male GR contact RU nos.
An additional use of funds is that RA has also already announced (similar strategy adopted pre the 2003 WC) it intends to recruit some NRL stars, to strenthen the Wallabies for the 2027 WC.
Will this weaken the NRL, if RA recruits (for eg) 3 NRL stars?
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One thing with the WC, it has made the news lately that Penrith junior rugby league games are getting shut by the cops due to gang violence and players bringing weapons out onto the field. Area’s like that union will be aiming to grow by being a safer alternative. The rugby codes will cannibalise each other1. abc.net C. Atkinson & S. Lawson 12.5.22
Atkinson & Lawson said
"North of the river, players like Tom Hawkins and Shane Crawford (Finley), Leo Barry (Deniliquin) and John Longmire (Corowa-Rutherglen) have put their marks on the game, leading to that region being the most prosperous per capita (in Australia- my words in brackets, & emphasis) for producing VFL/AFL footballers in the draft era, as comprehensively logged by Dave Slutzkin at DraftGuru".
Which locations have provided the AFL with the most talent and the best players?
From Warrnambool to Wangaratta, Dartmoor to Darwin, and Glenelg to Glenorchy, AFL players learn their trade in all corners of the country — but which region has provided the league with the best players? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.
The major reason why it is almost a certainty that Sydney will eventually have a 3rd AFL club is because of the huge wealth (& influence) of Sydney, whose population was estimated by the ABS in late 2019 to reach 8m by 2050.
Also, Sydney will be the first city in Australia to reach, in 2060, a $1 trillion + economy. The AFL has no choice but to "follow the money".
A further compelling factor in the importance of another club in Sydney is the potential its huge population (inc. all of NSW as well) has for producing AFL Draftees- AF cannot afford to allow other sports to dominate elite recruitment there.
The AFL will want to benefit in other areas of NSW- to attempt to replicate (perhaps not quite as strongly!) the amazing sucess of the Riverina. On a per capita basis, the Riverina is the most fertile recruiting area in Australia!
2.
All very good points, with a reasonable chance of actually happening. It would be a very big boost for GWS to have a player who is a "big name star".
If that player kicks bags of goals, even better in the Sydney market. success. Capper, Locket, Hall, & now Franklin have provided the Swans a major boost in popularity.
This would be very good for GWS home games.
Also, to improve the "vibe" of GWS home games, I would prefer the cameras to be located on the wing at Giants Stadium, panning back to the main grandstand area- which is where all their members are. It creates a much better spectacle for the home viewr with good crowds in the background, cf sparse crowds on the wing.
RA will likely have a net $100m + boost from hosting the Rugby WC in 2027.
Unlike the post 2003 WC in Australia ($45m net profit), they will not squander this windfall.
I suspect they will spend vast amounts trying to reverse the long term decline in male GR contact RU nos.
An additional use of funds is that RA has also already announced (similar strategy to pre 2003 WC) it intends to recruit some NRL stars, to strenthen the Wallabies for the 2027 WC. Will this weaken the NRL, if they recruit (for eg) 3 NRL stars?
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1. abc.net C. Atkinson & S. Lawson 12.5.22
Atkinson & Lawson said
"North of the river, players like Tom Hawkins and Shane Crawford (Finley), Leo Barry (Deniliquin) and John Longmire (Corowa-Rutherglen) have put their marks on the game, leading to that region being the most prosperous per capita (in Australia- my words in brackets, & emphasis) for producing VFL/AFL footballers in the draft era, as comprehensively logged by Dave Slutzkin at DraftGuru".
Which locations have provided the AFL with the most talent and the best players?
From Warrnambool to Wangaratta, Dartmoor to Darwin, and Glenelg to Glenorchy, AFL players learn their trade in all corners of the country — but which region has provided the league with the best players? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.
The major reason why it is almost a certainty that Sydney will eventually have a 3rd AFL club is because of the huge wealth of Sydney (& its influence in politics, & the MSM; with also HQ's of 50%+ of Australia's advertising companies etc.).
Sydney will be the first city in Australia to reach, in 2060, a $1 trillion + economy. The AFL has no choice but to "follow the money".
Sydney's population was estimated by the ABS in late 2019 to reach 8m by 2050.
A further incontrovertible factor in the importance of a 3rd club in Sydney is the potential its huge population (inc. all of NSW & ACT as well) has for producing AFL Draftees- AF simply cannot afford to allow other sports to dominate in the recruitment of the vast nos. of elite athletes there.
The AFL will, obviously, want to take full advantage of other areas of NSW- to attempt to replicate (perhaps not quite as strongly!) the amazing sucess of the Riverina. On a per capita basis, the Riverina is the most fertile AFL Draft area in Australia...amazing!
2.
All very good points, with a reasonable chance of actually happening. It would be a very big boost for GWS to have a player who is a "big name star".
If that player kicks bags of goals, even better in the Sydney market. success. Capper, Locket, Hall, & now Franklin have provided the Swans a major boost in popularity.
This would be very good for GWS home games.
Also, to improve the "vibe" of GWS home games, I would prefer the cameras to be located on the wing at Giants Stadium, panning back to the main grandstand area- which is where all their members are. It creates a much better spectacle for the home viewr with good crowds in the background, cf sparse crowds on the wing.
RA will likely have a net $100m + boost from hosting the Rugby WC in 2027.
Unlike the post 2003 WC in Australia ($45m net profit), they will not squander this windfall.
I suspect they will spend vast amounts trying to reverse the long term decline in male GR contact RU nos.
An additional use of funds is that RA has also already announced (similar strategy to pre 2003 WC) it intends to recruit some NRL stars, to strenthen the Wallabies for the 2027 WC. Will this weaken the NRL, if they recruit (for eg) 3 NRL stars?
You do wonder what the game day experience people actually do up there, I know there are a few roles at the giants for that purpose I've seen them on linked in, I'm not sure what they do exactly, they don't seem to come up with any ideas at all.
Agree on the camera, but I don't know if you can have any cameras at any ground pointing in the direction of the sun unfortunately.
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I am not aware of any reports that RL players have brought weapons onto the field.
There have, however, been police reports of RL spectators & players (affiliated with gangs) possibly bringing weapons, to use in fights with opposing team players & gang rivals, in the vicinity (carpark?) of GR RL matches being held in the Penrith District JRL comp.
A RL match, in the Penrith District Junior Rugby League comp., was cancelled by the police on 7.5.22, due to these fears.
Gang violence fears mean community matches could be called off
A junior rugby league competition has told its members that games would be abandoned “where intelligence suggests everyone’s safety is compromised”.
The police have stated there have been threats, by gang-affiliated GR RL players, to enact violence against their opposition players/gang rivals, on the field.
It is unfair to RL to combine this GR gang-violence issue, with murders/attempted murders etc. amongst Sydney rival drug gangs, in the same news article.
It should be noted that that the word "Junior", in RL comps., continues the old meaning & useage- these comps. also include adults playing in adult Divisions, in those "Junior" comps.
NZ also has gang problems- &, occasionally, has drug gang-related violence at GR RL games.
NZ Herald 26.5.22
Revealed: Rugby league practice threat sparked Auckland gang shooting war
The Herald can reveal the spark that ignited the shooting war between the rival gangs.
This type of gang violence would never apply, of course, to more than 99.5%+ of GR RL players- so GR RL is being unfairly tarnished, with the violence & crime of a very small no. of thugs.
Bad news sells newspapers/ increase MSM clicks etc-so there would, therefore, be some level of opprobrium attached to male GR contact RL because of these widely publicised reports.
It, possibly, explains the class divide in GR RL & RU in Sydney- the leafy NS & ES "comfortable" areas often express disdain for RL.
In NS & ES (pop. c.1m+), GR contact RL nos. have collapsed- c.5 snr GR RL clubs only, with small nos.; more jnr GR RL clubs, but still with very small contact RL nos. RU has far larger GR snr nos. there, cf GR contact RL nos.
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Northern Beaches/North Shore is the right area for a new team. Not really, i would say Sydney wise Macarthur is the only area left. In saying that there is a club with a lot of history, 1 of the oldest in the state, and is one of the biggest grassroots clubs out there in the North Shore Bombers.
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Manly NRL club, until c. 20 years ago, once recruited many of its players from the Northern Beaches- but not now. WS is its main elite jnr source now.
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Doesn’t matter bringing weapons to sport is ******* pathetic.I am not aware of any reports that RL players have brought weapons onto the field.
There have, however, been police reports of RL spectators & players (affiliated with gangs) possibly bringing weapons, to use in fights with opposing team players & gang rivals, in the vicinity (carpark?) of GR RL matches being held in the Penrith District JRL comp.
A RL match, in the Penrith District Junior Rugby League comp., was cancelled by the police on 7.5.22, due to these fears.
Gang violence fears mean community matches could be called off
A junior rugby league competition has told its members that games would be abandoned “where intelligence suggests everyone’s safety is compromised”.www.smh.com.au
The pokice have stated there have been threats, by gang-affiliated GR RL players, to enact violence against their opposition players/gang rivals, on the field.
It is unfair to RL to combine this GR gang-violence issue, with murders/attempted murders etc. amongst Sydney rival drug gangs, in the same newsarticle.
It should be noted that that the word "Junior" in RL comps., continues the old meaning & useage- these comps include adults playing in adult Divisions, in those "Junior" comps.
NZ also has gang problems, & has gang-related violence at GR RL games.
This type of gang violence would never apply, of course, to more than 99.5%+ of GR RL players- so GR RL is being unfairly tarnished, with the violence & crime of a very small no. of thugs.
Bad news sells newspapers/ increase MSM clicks etc-so there would, therefore, be some level of opprobrium attached to male GR contact RL because of these widely publicised reports.
It, possibly, explains the class divide in GR RL & RU in Sydney- the leafy NS & ES "comfortable" areas often express disdain for RL.
In NS & ES (pop. c.1m+), GR contact RL nos. have collapsed- c.4 snr GR RL clubs only, with small nos.; more jnr GR RL clubs, but still with very small contact RL nos. RU has far larger GR nos. there, cf GR contact RL nos.
Manly NRL club, until c. 20 years ago, once recruited many of its players from the Northern Beaches- but not now. WS is its source now.
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1. Pennant Hills, a middle class area, is 18 kms NW of Sydney; & in 2021, its estimated population was 8232.
In recognition of its new $2.08m clubrooms, "Pennant Hills’ received the award for developing new community clubrooms for the use by Senior and Junior AFL Clubs, which included installing a commercial kitchen, meeting rooms, spectator viewing facilities and bar...The completed development allows around 250 people to gather in the clubrooms, with both indoor and outdoor viewing options of both home fields at two oval facility.
The new facility was necessary. In the past eight years, the senior club has grown from fielding three teams to 11 in 2022 (five men’s, four women’s, one U19s and one masters)".
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There would be very few GR clubs, in history throughout all of Australia, that have 11 adult snr teams.
(North Shore FC, with 14 adult snr teams in 2022, probably has the all-time snrs. record.
In the VAFA, Old Boys' teams Xavier, St Kevins, De La Salle, & St Bernards -incl. the U19 & U23 comps.- probably have c. 9-10 snr teams each).
Few GR AF clubs would have an internal viewing area, of the oval, that can accomodate c. 250 people.
Pennant Hills FC usually serves c. 200 meals to its snr players after training every Thurs. night, usually rice or pasta dishes, & soup.
Throughout the history of GR AF clubs anywhere in Australia, AFAIK, no GR AF club has ever done this many meals 1 night pw, every week.
It is just as well they have a large commercial kitchen!
For Pennant Hills snr cub to grow from 3 snr teams in 2014, to 11 in 2022, is exceptional growth- & bodes well for GR AF in NW Sydney.
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In contrast, most private schools place a very strong emphasis on sport, both intra-school & inter-school.
Re RU's focus on private schools, they have been successful with the Wallabies- winning the 1991 & 1999 RU WC's, & Runners-Up in 2003 & 2015- clear proof of the elite status of sport in private schools in Sydney & Brisbane (the Brisbane GPS, disgracefully, still has it ban on comp. AF being played there).
In recognition of its new $2.08m clubrooms, "Pennant Hills’ received the award for developing new community clubrooms for the use by Senior and Junior AFL Clubs, which included installing a commercial kitchen, meeting rooms, spectator viewing facilities and bar...The completed development allows around 250 people to gather in the clubrooms, with both indoor and outdoor viewing options of both home fields at two oval facility.
The new facility was necessary. In the past eight years, the senior club has grown from fielding three teams to 11 in 2022 (five men’s, four women’s, one U19s and one masters)".
Penno wins metro facilities prize - AFL NSW / ACT
The Pennant Hills Demons Football Club has won the Ken Gannon Award for NSW/ACT’s Metro Project of the Year. Members of Pennant Hills’ committee accepted the award from Federal Member for Berowra, Julian Leeser MP, at the club in May.…Read more ›
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Pennant Hills Demons - Sydney AFL Club
The Pennant Hills Demons AFL Club is one of the premier Sydney AFL clubs, and has been a member of the Sydney AFL community for over 50 years.
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There would be very few GR clubs, in history throughout all of Australia, that have 11 adult snr teams.
(North Shore FC, with 14 adult snr teams in 2022, probably has the all-time snrs. record.
In the VAFA, Old Boys' teams Xavier, St Kevins, De La Salle, & St Bernards -incl. the U19 & U23 comps.- probably have c. 9-10 snr teams each).
Few GR AF clubs would have an internal viewing area, of the oval, that can accomodate c. 250 people.
Pennant Hills FC usually serves c. 200 meals to its snr players after training every Thurs. night, usually rice or pasta dishes, & soup.
Throughout the history of GR AF clubs anywhere in Australia, AFAIK, no GR AF club has ever done this many meals 1 night pw, every week.
It is just as well they have a large commercial kitchen!
For Pennant Hills snr cub to grow from 3 snr teams in 2014, to 11 in 2022, is exceptional growth- & bodes well for GR AF in NW Sydney.
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Govt. schools, obviously, have the clear majority of students in Sydney, & the AFL must have a very strong presence there in school sport. The problem is that govt. schools in Sydney (& throughout Australia,) generally, place a very low focus on sport; &, in particular, lengthy inter-school sport comps.
In contrast, most private schools place a very strong emphasis on sport, both intra-school & inter-school.
Re RU's focus on private schools, they have been successful with the Wallabies- winning the 1991 & 1999 RU WC's, & Runners-Up in 2003 & 2015- clear proof of the elite status of sport in private schools in Sydney & Brisbane (the Brisbane GPS, disgracefully, still has it ban on comp. AF being played there).
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The reality is in this debate is that until GWS and the GCS's achieve a lot more autarky it will be many years before their is another AFL club in the comp and the next one certainly won't be in Sydney.
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Who knows ? Why would they start making decisions good for the game ?
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