A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

Pippen94

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Unless you think everything east of the Blue Mountains is "The East", then maybe you should give up the ridiculous agenda.

This stuff really isn't hard to check btw. You must be one of the most low effort trolls out there.
Membership attached to auskick - west is where they run that. Membership numbers rubbish - club actually loses money on this. Never seen a gws jersey in Parramatta.
 

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Membership attached to auskick - west is where they run that. Membership numbers rubbish - club actually loses money on this. Never seen a gws jersey in Parramatta.
I also have no idea why you keep bringing this up as such a bad thing.

Marketing should be a huge expense for a new business. This is how businesses grow. This is doubly so for a football club, which is a passion product, as opposed to a traditional consumer product. It takes money to get people to come have a look, and it takes time for people to build up a passion for the product.

If they aren't reinvesting everything they can into marketing then they are making a mistake.
 

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I also have no idea why you keep bringing this up as such a bad thing.

Marketing should be a huge expense for a new business. This is how businesses grow. This is doubly so for a football club, which is a passion product, as opposed to a traditional consumer product. It takes money to get people to come have a look, and it takes time for people to build up a passion for the product.

If they aren't reinvesting everything they can into marketing then they are making a mistake.
Purpose of Membership is to fund club. Losing money on it means club is just trying to build number to appear bigger than they are.
 

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Purpose of Membership is to fund club. Losing money on it means club is just trying to build number to appear bigger than they are.
Yeah, because members don't buy merchandise, reserve seats, buy guest passes, buy tickets to club functions......

Your trolling is not getting out of first gear today. You got the flu?
 

abcde12345

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Purpose of Membership is to fund club. Losing money on it means club is just trying to build number to appear bigger than they are.
Sure, for an established club.

Did you expect GWS to rock up, charge WCE like amounts for memberships, and make a mint? You're delusional. The whole purpose of the club is to grow the code in an underrepresented area. This is done by making the game accessible to those who have limited experience with it. The club should be running at a loss, and if its not then the AFL is making a massive strategic mistake.

It's absolutely bizarre. People like to sink the boot in because "GWS and GCS have no supporters", but then act like spending money to bring new supporters through the gate is blasphemy.

If you're legitimately an AFL fan, then you are completely contradictory, and have no vision beyond the next 5 minutes. Somehow I doubt that though, which makes me wonder why a soccer/nrl troll wastes their time on an AFL forum. Surely you have better things to do than waste time on a forum of a code you don't like? Pretty sad in my view.
 

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You would have to lose clubs in Vicotira for that to happen. A 20 team comp is inevitable, with 8 clubs in Vic, 3 each in WA and SA, 3 in NSW, 2 in QLD and 1 Tassie! So which two Vic clubs make way?
 

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If you're legitimately an AFL fan, then you are completely contradictory, and have no vision beyond the next 5 minutes. Somehow I doubt that though, which makes me wonder why a soccer/nrl troll wastes their time on an AFL forum. Surely you have better things to do than waste time on a forum of a code you don't like? Pretty sad in my view.



 

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Sure, for an established club.

Did you expect GWS to rock up, charge WCE like amounts for memberships, and make a mint? You're delusional. The whole purpose of the club is to grow the code in an underrepresented area. This is done by making the game accessible to those who have limited experience with it. The club should be running at a loss, and if its not then the AFL is making a massive strategic mistake.

It's absolutely bizarre. People like to sink the boot in because "GWS and GCS have no supporters", but then act like spending money to bring new supporters through the gate is blasphemy.

If you're legitimately an AFL fan, then you are completely contradictory, and have no vision beyond the next 5 minutes. Somehow I doubt that though, which makes me wonder why a soccer/nrl troll wastes their time on an AFL forum. Surely you have better things to do than waste time on a forum of a code you don't like? Pretty sad in my view.
He has never posted in any forums or about anyone else other than the Giants. Not even about his own supposed listed club.

My guess a League fan or alt of someone here.

Wanderers fans wouldnt be dumb enough considering their own crowds and ratings.
 

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But they play out of homebush, players live breakfast point & support comes from east.
Homebush is in the inner west, genius. Which is an area I mentioned. And you accuse me of not knowing geography?

You would have to lose clubs in Vicotira for that to happen. A 20 team comp is inevitable, with 8 clubs in Vic, 3 each in WA and SA, 3 in NSW, 2 in QLD and 1 Tassie! So which two Vic clubs make way?
Zero clubs will make way. Melbourne is growing faster than any other city in Australia and it's not close. Why do you think Adelaide will get a third club? It's a two team town and one of them struggles financially sometimes. Even WA3 is doubtful since there's no grassroots demand for it.
 

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I can see four teams in Sydney one day, if they plan it right. Swans presently have the East, north and the Shire, Giants have the inner west up to Blacktown. That leaves two major areas left - Macarthur and Penrith. Macarthur is growing fast and Penrith has one of the richest NRL clubs out there (mostly from pokies, but popular even so), so there's potential for growth in both places. Macarthur is probably the more attractive location.
Over the very long term, I think 4 teams in Sydney make sense.

The South-West is one such area. It's a major growth pocket, however it is definitely a much poorer region than either of the two current Sydney team areas. Right now, the region only supports the Wests Tigers, and even they only play a limited number of games in the region. Even at a semi-pro level, the South-West region is only represented by a couple of NSWRL clubs. No Shute Shield presence, no BBL, NBL, A-League (although an A-league team is being introduced in the next couple of seasons), NPL or NEAFL presence.

The journey to get a viable club there I imagine would be significantly more difficult than that of GWS. GWS has the advantage of being able to draw from the Inner Western suburbs, which are reasonably wealthy, while it continues to build support in the Outer West. GWS also has the advantage of being based in/near Parramatta, which is a reasonably significant city in its own right. A South-West team I can imagine struggling for support and corporate sponsorship money for a significant amount of time (multi-generational).

Accessibility, even within the South-West, could also be an issue. Liverpool and Campbelltown are not directly connected to each other via train, and there are no lines at all out in Camden.

All these issues make the South-West a pretty distant goal to be honest. All it currently has going for it is the population growth and space availability for a future stadium. This may change though as the prices of inner suburbs continue to push people further out, and the Campbelltown or Liverpool CBDs grow.

The North Shore is another area worth considering. Although it is only expected to modestly grow relative to the South-West, it benefits from being a significantly more wealthy region. Similar to the South-West, it has a limited variety of professional sporting teams, with only Manly being based North of the river. It does, however, host a variety of Shute Shield teams (Gordon, Manly, Northern Suburbs and Warringah if you include the Northern Beaches), a NSWRL team and an NPL team. The North Shore has also produced a number of AFL players, such as Callum Mills.

Again, there are several issues with a North Shore team. The first consideration would be the degree of cannibalisation of the Giants and particularly Swans fanbase that could occur. Following on from that, it would have to be determined if the North Shore is already "saturated" via the Swans and Giants, or if there are actually tangible benefits to a team in the region.

Another consideration is the availability of a ground in the region, particularly one with reasonable accessibility. North Sydney Oval is too small for AFL level games, especially with the 18-a-side format we currently have. Finding another suitable location with accessibility to public transport could be difficult.

You mentioned Penrith, but I don't really see it. Penrith has the issues of the other two regions combined. It doesn't have particularly great accessibility, population projections are only in line with the northern suburbs, it isn't particularly wealthy either individually or from potential corporate partners, and it doesn't have the "football pedigree" that a Northern Suburbs team would have. It also has direct, full time competition from an NRL team. I mentioned how much harder South-West would be than the Giants - I think Penrith region would be that much harder again, with even more limited upside.

There are a few regions outside the metro that have been mentioned, including Central Coast, Illawarra and Newcastle. Again, I struggle to see it. These regions would have the difficulty of a Giants bid, but without the TV money upside (regional areas). Areas that don't benefit from the TV money and massive population growth upsides should be built from the ground up, similar to that of the Tasmania bid.

Canberra would be the next most logical regional area behind Tasmania - however I see it unlikely to happen. The Canberra and Riverina regions are too valuable as talent farms to feed into what is currently the Giants, and in the future will be a South-West team. When we reach a point where these two clubs are at a point where they can stand on their own two feet, then Canberra will get a look. This is subject to change if the demographic trends of Canberra change dramatically - however that would be outside current expectations.

A future with 4 AFL teams across the Sydney metro, dispersed North of the river, in the CBD and East, in the West and in the South-West allows for good representation of the code dispersed across most of the major areas of population, with reasonable room to continue growing all the clubs fanbases. Very long term stuff obviously (particularly that of a South-West team), and many issues to overcome, but it seems the most logical to me.
 

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He has never posted in any forums or about anyone else other than the Giants. Not even about his own supposed listed club.

My guess a League fan or alt of someone here.

Wanderers fans wouldnt be dumb enough considering their own crowds and ratings.
Yeah I'd have to agree.

After looking at some vision of the Wanderers games held at Giants Stadium, and the crowd figures announced at those games, you'd have to be insane to question the figures of the Giants games.
 

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Homebush is in the inner west, genius. Which is an area I mentioned. And you accuse me of not knowing geography?


Zero clubs will make way. Melbourne is growing faster than any other city in Australia and it's not close. Why do you think Adelaide will get a third club? It's a two team town and one of them struggles financially sometimes. Even WA3 is doubtful since there's no grassroots demand for it.
I don't really, i actually think we have too many teams in the compeition as it is. Melbourne is growing alright, but it's growth isn't exactly a good thing IMO. The AFL want a 20 team National League, we might yet still see a merger? Perth is growing very fast, we will see another team over there, it's just a matter of time
 

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