A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

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Some social media lengthy Opinion Pieces & anecdotes by GR RU & RL fans on why their respective games in Aust. are experiencing a long term decline in GR regd. nos and/or the popularity of the professional competitions; & possible solutions to reverse these trends.

For the RU OP, the writer says that RA has handed a whole generation of youngsters in northern Sydney & the eastern suburbs to the AFL "on a silver platter"; & that the AFL is much effective in its "hustling" in western Sydney to increase its GR popularity.

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2. RL Problems


BBT, I know you don't like the Ausplay survey cos its a survey, but the latest figures are interesting


If you go to page 16 and check the age groups from 5 to 14 on the drop down menu, there are actually more kids playing orgranised Australian football in NSW than Rugby League!

 

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BBT, I know you don't like the Ausplay survey cos its a survey, but the latest figures are interesting


If you go to page 16 and check the age groups from 5 to 14 on the drop down menu, there are actually more kids playing orgranised Australian football in NSW than Rugby League!

Not surprised.
 

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BBT, I know you don't like the Ausplay SURVEY [0.1% of population!] cos its a survey, but the latest figures are interesting
If you go to page 16 and check the age groups from 5 to 14 on the drop down menu, there are actually more kids playing orgranised Australian football in NSW than Rugby League!
1. Ausplay has little accuracy, also, because it will count a person as a "participant" if they answer they did a sport or activity only once in the last 12 months!

Club and school competitions (minimum 6 weeks of actual games in the sport), and regd. Official Pathway 5 y.o - 8 y.o. modified games in the sport, are the only genuine methodology to count players in any sport.

Your comment on Ausplay GR AF nos. overtaking Ausplay GR RL nos. in NSW needs checking with both codes' official regd. playing nos. (the only proof), but is interesting.
(It should be noted that the NRL is counting non-contact touch/tag players as official, regd. RL players- which, as a completely different, non-contact game, they are not)

The times, they aaare a-chaaanging.

2. Even in NZ, where RU has the highest per capita support in the world, & the All Blacks have an huge, fanatical following, GR adult & jnr male club & school comp. nos. are in a significant decline. There have always been weight divisions for juniors (ie not just graded by age) in NZ RU. My understanding is that most RU jnrs play in a school comp., not a local club comp.

FAR more jnr males play soccer in NZ now- basketball is also very popular. However, it is generally considered the best NZ athletes are mostly playing RU.

There has been a big rise recently in females playing contact RU in NZ- so the falling nos., quoted below in these links, don't reveal fully the major decline in male RU players.





NZ Herald

Re NZ Herald "...the demise of rugby as a mass participation sport...the grassroots is dying..."
(This is melodramatic, & wrong).
 
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In NZ you have the NPC which runs after the SR and Internationals, plus you still have club rugby being played. Secondary schools rugby still seems to be very big. Then you still have the 7s.

The "stars" of RU not being on show locally has long been an issue. The double header will be an interesting event and it could well be the forerunner of something we could see more often.
 

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In NZ you have the NPC which runs after the SR and Internationals, plus you still have club rugby being played. Secondary schools rugby still seems to be very big. Then you still have the 7s.

The "stars" of RU not being on show locally has long been an issue. The double header will be an interesting event and it could well be the forerunner of something we could see more often.
NPC, who competes in that, those aspiring to Super Rugby, here we go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitre_10_Cup
 

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The Wallabies' had a dismal performance in the 2019 RU WC, suffering their greatest ever loss, bowing out early, & being ranked at their lowest position, no. 7 in the World. RA is conducting an official Review into the team's performance.

Coach M. Cheika, & other senior RU figures before him for several decades (back to The Galloping Greens, Randwick Sydney Shute Shield team), said the Australian style ("The Aussie Way") was to play "running rugby/ball in hand" ie a more skillful RU, with exciting flair from the backs, more tries being run in- with less points from penalties & field kicks/less scrums & scrum resets, set-pieces.
Many other RU officials argued, for decades, this style was necessary to win over fans in Aust.- since the NRL & AFL were games with more action & more ball movement/less stoppages/less downtime.


Many RU experts now say the popular & exciting (at least for most RU fans) running rugby/ball in hand style cannot prevail against the top RU countries. These top RU countries are built on a stifling defence; & who have with the big, heavy powerful forwards who seek to scrum & dominate the interminable scrums, can win penalty infringements/free kicks to score, lots of kicking etc.

Therefore, RA is on the horns of a dilemma- do they introduce this dour style for the Wallabies, so they can compete against the top nations (but, in the process, lose more local fans & players)?
Or do they retain the more exciting running rugby/ball in hand style, to safeguard their viewing & playing nos.?
 
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The Wallabies' had a dismal performance in the 2019 RU WC, suffering their greatest ever loss, bowing out early, & being ranked at their lowest position, no. 7 in the World. RA is conducting an official Reviewd into the team's performance.

Cheika, & other senior RU figures before him, said the Australian style ("The Aussie Way") several decades was to play "running rugby/ball in hand" ie a more skillful RU, with exciting flair from the backs, more tries being run in- with less points from penalties & field kicks/less scrums & scrum resets,set pieces.
Many other RU officials argued, for decades, this style was necessary to win over fans in Aust.- since the NRL & AFL were games with more action & more ball movement/less stoppages/less downtime.


Many RU experts now say the running rugby/ball in hand style cannot prevail against the top RU countries with the big, heavy powerful forwards who dominate the scrums, can win penalty infringements/free kicks to score, lots of kicking etc.

Therefore, RA is on the horns of a dilemma- do they introduce this dour style for the Wallabies, so they can compete against the top nations (but, in the process, lose more local fans & players)?
Or do they retain the more exciting running rugby/ball in hand style, to safeguard their viewing & playing nos.?
How does this affect the prospects of a 3rd team in Sydney? :)

Apart from that, nothing beats winning, ugly or not.

Anyway one would think we we have plenty of big arsed Pacific island boys here who could fit the task.
 

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How does this affect the prospects of a 3rd team in Sydney? [Sport is part of the entertainment industry]
Apart from that, nothing beats winning, ugly or not.[In the world's most competitive sporting city, I disagree]
Anyway one would think we we have plenty of big arsed Pacific island boys here who could fit the task.[Yes]
Read again what I wrote above in post #1235.

Read again what was said (in the link above) by:-

. I. Payten "...Waratah fans... were bored...wanted more"; "Fans Forum...people... demanded... to be entertained..." ; & "...winning ugly...".

. M.Cheika "That's the way (running rugby/ball in hand style- my words) Aussies (& RA- my words) wants us to play".

Why did Payten & Cheika (& many RA officials until this RU WC) say these things?

Why has the AFL produced its The Charter Of The Game, re its preferred game style for AF (ie generally fast, free flowing & attacking AF, with minimal stoppages)?
 
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