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Interesting read**** NSW cricket
They screwed us with Blacktown.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/na...-to-proceed-with-caution-20160407-go0evg.html
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Interesting read**** NSW cricket
They screwed us with Blacktown.
I think the main reason Rugby League imploded in 96 was more to do with the Super League than anything else, but I'm sure others think differently.I've stated elsewhere that while I think less League teams in Sydney is necessary, the last time it happened the Swans went from the least popular professional club in town to the most popular.
If they start a North Sydney team in the NEAFL out of the Oval and have them playing in that getting all the academies and setup right then it'll help in the long run.
Especially if Sydney knock off manly, Cronulla and my tigers(or move them).
We should of had a 2nd Sydney team The last time League self imploded in 96.
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Agreed. The implosion was super league.I think the main reason Rugby League imploded in 96 was more to do with the Super League than anything else, but I'm sure others think differently.
Yep I'm sure the Blacktown cricket mad mayor thinks that.
I have a foot in both camps when it comes to AFL and NRL so unlike you i see both points of view.Are your "wife's" "friends and family" in Sydney keeping a register of articles about the big bad AFL?
How did they feel about a Swans home game tripping the attendance at a NRL Sydney derby on Friday? I reckon that would have been gutting
I have a foot in both camps when it comes to AFL and NRL so unlike you i see both points of view.
I have 2 brother in laws who played in the NSWRL before it became the NRL
Unlike you I'm not blinkered when it come to faults with both codes.
In your opinion why do you think AFL has no professional club out of Australia?.
I would say Cricket is our national game.Uuum, because its Australia's national game - a country overwhelmingly of inward migration since the game was invented here 160 years ago
There were actually no amateur clubs outside of Australasia as little as 30 odd years ago.
Why would their be professional clubs outside of Australia? Is this a bad thing?
It once was but I would say, based on attendances, participation and active support, cricket has clearly been overtaken by our game over the last 20 years. There are now more participants all over the country, including even NSW and Qld, which has seen tremendous growth and can now boast around 70 AFL listed players and growing year by year. And apart from cricket, there's no other rival in sight.I would say Cricket is our national game...
Not sure that a few mainly social teams made up mostly by ex-pats has any relevance.… 30 odd years ago there were Australia football teams in England and Australia. …
But not before its parent game of rugby union (from which rugby league split from), which at the time, thanks mainly to pro-British sentiment in the public schools in NSW/Qld, became established first to the exclusion of the Australian game. It's now great to see our game flourishing so much at grass roots levels in both states.… Never forget we was in Qld and NSW before Rugby League and they are Rugby League states now.
I would say Cricket is our national game.
30 odd years ago there were Australia football teams in England and Australia.
Never forget we was in Qld and NSW before Rugby League and they are Rugby League states now.
Uuum, because its Australia's national game - a country overwhelmingly of inward migration since the game was invented here 160 years ago
There were actually no amateur clubs outside of Australasia as little as 30 odd years ago.
Why would their be professional clubs outside of Australia? Is this a bad thing?
After 75 years, the NSWRL Manly Warringah adult RL competition has been axed last week. This is due to the long term decline in RL GR nos. in Sydney's northern suburbs. This comp. was once of a high standard, with many ex- NRL players, & many semi-professional players, in it.
The 6 remaining clubs will transfer to the NSWRL South Western Conference- as this will cause a significant increase in travel time, this transfer may imperil their longevity.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/sport/fulltime-whistle-blows-on-manly-a-grade-rugby-league-competition-after-75-years/news-story/ca90fa89cc12fbeb8ee84b5514779018
(As this is behind a paywall, can someone who can access it, provide the transcript)
Junior male GR RL is also in a long term decline in this area, & other areas of Sydney.
David Hill, former President of the NRL's North Sydney Bears (& former President of Soccer Australia), in 2012 in the RL Annual Tom Brock Lecture, outlines the decline of RL clubs, teams & players in GR RL throughout all of Sydney.
http://www.tombrock.com.au/xiv-tom-brock-lecture-david-hill/
The privately-owned NRL Manly club, which attracts poor crowds & has financial problems, & whose fans are well known for their unwillingness to attend away games, is currently part of much speculation. The NRL is conducting a Review into expansion etc. c.2023- & Manly is often mentioned by the public as a likely candidate for relocation interstate or to Gosford; or to merge with a nearby NRL club.
THE MANLY A grade rugby league competition was arguably the strongest in Sydney, chock full of characters and tales that became part of northern beaches sporting folklore.
In 2012 there were 22 teams playing in three A grade divisions and former NRL players like Josh Stuart, Mark Soden, Cliff Lyons, Gary Larson and Michael Vella would finish their careers in the Manly juniors.
But now rugby league is facing the real likelihood of not having a stand alone Manly/North Sydney competition for the first time in 75 years.
Only six peninsula clubs — defending premiers Narrabeen, Forestville, Cromer, Belrose, Avalon and Narraweena — have nominated to play this season with none from North Sydney.
At a NSW Rugby League meeting on Tuesday night a proposal was put forward that the northern beaches clubs play in a western Sydney conference with clubs from Parramatta, western suburbs and Canterbury.
The proposal has been sent to the northern beaches clubs for their consideration with a decision on whether
“Using the political terminology it is on a knife’s edge,” said Manly junior rugby league secretary Matt Brown.
Brown understands the current situation better than most as he was a backrower for Belrose when the A grade was a really hard competition and had two divisions
“It is disappointing and there are lots of contributing factors,” he said.
One of the big ones was the drop off in numbers in the younger age groups over the last decade was now impacting the A grade competition.
Cromer president Shane Higginbotham said the demise of the A grade competition would be very disappointing after its long history.
Yes, the 6 senior northern Sydney RL clubs, who nominated to the NSWRL they wanted to continue playing in 2019, have all been transferred to the distant South West Conference. I think the reasons are in other recent Daily Telegraph articles, but they are behind paywalls. It would be appreciated if someone could provide these other DT articles.That's insane. Why would they not merge with an adjacent competition? Are you sure it's not north west?
On league unlimited it was mentioned the number of divisions was a factor. The Manly league had absolute thrashings. By going to the comp they went to, clubs are able to find a level consistent with their abilities.Yes, the 6 senior northern Sydney RL clubs, who nominated to the NSWRL they wanted to continue playing in 2019, have all been transferred to the distant South West Conference. I think the reasons are in other recent Daily Telegraph articles, but they are behind paywalls. It would be appreciated if someone could provide these other DT articles.
M.Knox, SMH senior RL journalist wrote on 29.9.18:-
."On participation, universally agreed as the game's greatest challenge, Greenberg is targetting women's rugby league and non-contact forms such as touch. But the NRL's showcase is so physically brutal that it is not its best advertisement for participation".
.quoting Greenberg "Mums and dads want to watch NRL, but might not want their kids to play it".
. when I ask him about the legacy he wants to leave, Greenberg talks about "taking the game into new markets...".
In May 2017, Phil Gould called for Greenberg's resignation following the NRL HQ spending large sums, unsuccessfully, on GR RL contact participation increase strategies.
The NRL wanted to establish $100 million fund to support GR Participation strategies (much of it in western Sydney, where soccer was a "goliath"- & GR AF was also increasing), but Gould expressed no confidence that the NRL HQ would wisely spend this $100 million (The $100 million Fund was later scrapped, after NRL Clubs successfully demanded more NRL Club funding from Chairman Grant/NRL HQ)
https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/p...l/news-story/725ae6ec9c2c04300787161062b70513
The NRL has a dilemma. NRL HQ has a $1.8 billion, 2018-22 broadcast deal, & has considerable funds/is making profits.
Should its strategy be, to expand its male contact GR market share, to spend its considerable funds on/major focus on:-
. Sydney's North Shore & northern suburbs GR- to attempt to restore GR RL to its former health. Or
. relocate Manly to play 50%+ of its home games at the excellent Gosford stadium. The Central Coast GR are still strong. Or
. reinstate the Manly/ North Sydney Bears NRL merger, to reinvigorate the whole of northern Sydney, & Central coast (playing at 3 locations). Or
. Sydney's western suburbs, where its contact male GR are still strong, but in long term decline. Fortify the fortress. Or
. establish a Perth NRL and/or 2nd NZ team
(A 2nd Brisbane team would be very successful in NRL heartland. Many wealthy backers, it would be funded by these, not NRL)
On league unlimited it was mentioned the number of divisions was a factor. The Manly league had absolute thrashings. By going to the comp they went to, clubs are able to find a level consistent with their abilities.
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I have never seen an Aussie PM comment on the AFL like he did when sandpaper happened. Nothing dominates discussion around Australia like a selection of a team. No sport in our history has had as much impact on us.It once was but I would say, based on attendances, participation and active support, cricket has clearly been overtaken by our game over the last 20 years. There are now more participants all over the country, including even NSW and Qld, which has seen tremendous growth and can now boast around 70 AFL listed players and growing year by year. And apart from cricket, there's no other rival in sight.
I have never seen an Aussie PM comment on the AFL like he did when sandpaper happened. Nothing dominates discussion around Australia like a selection of a team. No sport in our history has had as much impact on us.
Cricket is and will always be our national game. It shapes us far more than any other sport. Sure, the AFL is the biggest league/code in the land but it is much more than that. Steve Waugh 100 at the SCG, World Cup triumphs, Sandpaper, ashes; these events are bigger than anything that has happened in AFL in the last 20 years. Punter, Warne, Mcgrath, Gilly are all far bigger names and heroes than any AFL footballer.
When something happens in cricket, the whole country knows about it and has an opinion. It represents all of us. Nothing comes close.
GR RL is in dissaray in northern Sydney.On league unlimited it was mentioned the number of divisions was a factor. The Manly league had absolute thrashings. By going to the comp they went to, clubs are able to find a level consistent with their abilities
And going personal again. Typical Noobpie.So on one side we have: Revenues, attendances, participants i.e. anything that can be measured which are all substantially in Australian football's favour
On the other side we have: Assertions from someone who hangs around big footy to talk down football and stop people making hurty comparisons with soccer
And going personal again. Typical Noobpie.
Going to ignore the rest of your post, cause you are just not worth it.
And going personal again. Typical Noobpie FORMYour form around here is very relevant to assessing your opinion - particular given you provided nothing by way of evidence and very little by way of (low quality) argument
You responded to a reasoned position that referred to quantitative evidence with opinion and empty assertion
You are entitled to your opinion, just not entitled to be taken seriously
And going personal again. Typical Noobpie FORM
Going to ignore the rest of your post, cause your trolling is just not worth it.