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You want to be careful there and look precisely where the warm periods and the labels like "medieval warm period", "dark age cooling", "roman warm period" actually are (carefully, because it's bit inconsistent about what direction the graphs are going, and whether it's in calendar years or years BP)

When is the MWP, per these graphs? (approx)
Great Plains: 770-1020
Makassar Strait: 1120-1210
China: 810-990, 1120-1250 (cooler patch in the middle)
Sargasso Sea: 880-1150
Venezuela: 1210-1310
South Africa: 820-970

When you average all the different regional datasets together, the medieval warm period is actually a real thing, but it's not as dramatic as any one region because each period has its peak at a different point. Indeed, according to Jo Nova's graphs, the Great Plains is experiencing the Little Ice Age while Venezuela is having its Medieval Warm Period, while the Makassar Strait is cooling in the Dark Ages while China is having its Medieval Warm Period.

If you average everything out you get a little peak overall for the MWP around 950-1250AD but only a small one, nothing like the current peak, which is based on substantially elevated temperatures globally and all at the same time. Denialists claim the small size of the MWP peak in worldwide reconstructions is the result of a massive globalist conspiracy but it's actually just that they never actually compare the dates on their own graphs.


It's bad history too. Roman armies were really quite pragmatic about adopting local customs, including cold weather gear, when they operated in colder regions.
 
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Ah, fair enough, I didn't make the connection.
All cool..Rudd stated Murdoch’s campaign against his government was at the 2013 election. IMO it started way earlier than that while he was still in office 2008-2009..following this..(https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2009/february/1319602475/kevin-rudd/global-financial-crisis). Alternative thinking journalists at Murdoch's beck and call were given a free (paid) hit...(Joanne Nova article was posted May 2010) Murdoch owned Australian posted this gem https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...n/news-story/1d097495d21f21e16bcabc812463e273
 
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All cool..Rudd stated Murdoch’s campaign against his government was at the 2013 election. IMO it started way earlier than that while he was still in office 2008-2009..following this..(https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2009/february/1319602475/kevin-rudd/global-financial-crisis). Alternative thinking journalists at Murdoch's beck and call were given a free (paid) hit...(Joanne Nova article was posted May 2010) Murdoch owned Australian posted this gem https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...n/news-story/1d097495d21f21e16bcabc812463e273
It was very noticeable. I was a pretty dedicated Australian reader for many years until the targeting of Rudd moved from news coverage to editorialising under the cover of "news". I'd expected that in the CM, DT and so on for many years prior but generally the Australian had been above it.
 
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