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Some of you smarter folk might poo poo this vid, but it is quite a short, persuasive and simple take on the election and political/social landscape.
Nailed it. Regardless of your side or point of view the left have adopted a position of superiority to such a degree now they run the risk of alienating the very socialist base they exist on. The irony is they don't see it.

You can't blame the media when you exploit it. You can't blame disconnection when you create it by using endorsements of the elite.

For the sake of moderation and reasoned debate both sides need to figure out how to re- energise and include their bases.

It's almost certain on current trajectory One Nation will hold balance of power in Qld next election. That's an outcome few should find comfort in yet the fact people feel the need to vote that way says more about the current political scene than the voters themselves.

And that's the lesson the screaming left are struggling with at the moment.
 

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Nailed it. Regardless of your side or point of view the left have adopted a position of superiority to such a degree now they run the risk of alienating the very socialist base they exist on. The irony is they don't see it.

You can't blame the media when you exploit it. You can't blame disconnection when you create it by using endorsements of the elite.

For the sake of moderation and reasoned debate both sides need to figure out how to re- energise and include their bases.

And that's the lesson the screaming left are struggling with at the moment.
I take it as a sign that the issues the left (and again I hate using catch-all terms like that, but damn it's convenient) have been banging on about are starting to gain some traction. The down side of that is that there are a section of the public who just "don't see it" (there's certainly a decent proportion of these types on the other side of the spectrum). Evidence of this is when some severe weather event (hot or cold, take your pick) occurs and there follows the inevitable this proves global warming/GW is a sham.
 

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Yeah even the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Labor government was bordering on Centre-right. There is no nuance in government or politics at the moment, everything has been about what could be condensed into a seven-fifteen second sound bite and there is no time to go into complex policy decisions that are counter intuitive and only able to be rationalised with evidence. The Dunning-Kruger effect has left a lot of stupid people thinking they are experts and that everything has a simple "common sense" solution, but if you try to educate people then you are being preachy and not respecting their beliefs.
When a lot of people talk about 'the left' they're not really talking about the left at all. I've had so many of these ******* discussions with ill-informed people who have strong opinions about politics recently- I almost long for the good old days when it was just 'politics? *eyes glaze over*'. Now it's morons who are convinced they're right, but aren't self aware enough to realise that they haven't the faintest clue what they're talking about. Yeah man, you're entitled to your opinion, but when that opinion is based on extremely limited knowledge of politics, current affairs, and history you really shouldn't expect people to take you seriously. I will curb stomp the next moron who attempts to explain the real reasons behind Trump's election based on some shit they read on reddit. And no, people with socially liberal views are not automatically 'left wing' you ******* nongs. I think some people's brains would explode if they were exposed to racist communists or socially liberal libertarians (not that the latter really exist).
Can see clearly that right wing ideologies are gaining momentum in the Western world especially the past 5 years. USA is only the start and I expect some major EU countries to continue this trend and Australia to follow. Refugees, illegal immigrants, foreign 'investment', unnecessary military involvement in foreign affairs, issues with welfare and rising cost of living are some of the main issues that left wing parties throughout the Western world have not improved or fixed in the past 15 years. You can see why people are sick of seeing them in power... it doesn't help that the political leaders for these parties are pretty much useless anyway further adding fuel to the fire for a right wing uprising. I embrace the change.
You really shouldn't. Just out of interest, what do you mean by 'left wing'?
Nailed it. Regardless of your side or point of view the left have adopted a position of superiority to such a degree now they run the risk of alienating the very socialist base they exist on. The irony is they don't see it.

You can't blame the media when you exploit it. You can't blame disconnection when you create it by using endorsements of the elite.

For the sake of moderation and reasoned debate both sides need to figure out how to re- energise and include their bases.

It's almost certain on current trajectory One Nation will hold balance of power in Qld next election. That's an outcome few should find comfort in yet the fact people feel the need to vote that way says more about the current political scene than the voters themselves.

And that's the lesson the screaming left are struggling with at the moment.
The left in the US is extremely divided, and has been for quite some time. The left, especially the socialists, have been at war (figuratively speaking) with the centre/liberals since the Sanders campaign started to gain momentum, and that's still going. The Clinton campaign + hangers on devoted a substantial amount of time to attacking people to its left during/after the primaries, and it seems that they really shot themselves in the foot there.

I agree with some of what you're saying, but the whole issue is a lot more complicated given that there are a wide range of competing viewpoints on the left/between the left and the centre. Of course, a lot of these debates occurred between writers who don't really matter on twitter/other parts of the internet where no one was really watching/listening, but what's happened is still interesting. Basically, there's a lot of railing against liberals and liberalism going on from left at the moment for various reasons, some of which are similar to those criticisms coming from the right. Jon Stewart and co are part of the problem, that sorta thing. It's all been pretty vicious at times, numerous people have lost their jobs over things they've said etc.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism
This essay is pretty long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms I'm talking about. Some of it is good, some less so. The writer is a socialist who was later fired from Vox (common subject of derision from the left/fairly mediocre site that specialises in 'explainer journalism', whatever that is) for applauding anti-trump riots in california.
 
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What's great about these type of stories is that they are misrepresented by the media.
Most are reporting that "Half think PH would make a good PM".
The poll doesn't ask that, and so that opinion isn't measured. "Better represents some values than Turnbull does". I think my warehouse guy at work, "better represents my values" but I wouldn't have him run the country.
In any case, a pissy sample size in a poll taken by a media organisation that has been discrediting Turnbull for months because he's not right wing enough, and is anti-Labor is hardly representative.
 

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Cuban revolutionist Fidel Castro has died aged 90...

The man who ignored the Yanks and in doing so, got under the skin of the Kennedy's ..The CIA just don't have "perfect failures" like the 'Bay of Pigs'.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/world/americas/fidel-castro-dies.html?_r=0
I went on wikipedia for too long last night looking at Castro & Che Guevara... It's amazing how many countries America has intervened with or used their power against. I wonder what we will think when we look back on America's 'influence' in the middle east in 20 years time.
 

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I went on wikipedia for too long last night looking at Castro & Che Guevara... It's amazing how many countries America has intervened with or used their power against. I wonder what we will think when we look back on America's 'influence' in the middle east in 20 years time.
Not sure 20 years will make much difference Gibbo. At the End of WW2( 70+years ago) America viewed the Middle East as a "strategically important area" of the world. It has been involved/influenced by means of conflict since to protect that interest.
 

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I should have said at the time of the invasion.

Let me know if I am missing something in my interpretation of this item.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-c...t-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion
Nah, not saying you're wrong in your interpretation, in fact you're right in that they never specifically said Iraq had WMDs, just that they "probably" did. I'm just not willing to absolve the CIA of responsibility for that cluster****. Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolowitz definitely the driving force and probably told members of the CIA they had to find something to justify their ridiculous motivations, but the CIA sat silent whilst their report was cherry picked to support that disaster.
 

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Nah, not saying you're wrong in your interpretation, in fact you're right in that they never specifically said Iraq had WMDs, just that they "probably" did. I'm just not willing to absolve the CIA of responsibility for that cluster****. Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolowitz definitely the driving force and probably told members of the CIA they had to find something to justify their ridiculous motivations, but the CIA sat silent whilst their report was cherry picked to support that disaster.
With it now being 13 years on it is past history so I seem to be seeing a lot of new information. A subject crying out for good book.
 

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With it now being 13 years on it is past history so I seem to be seeing a lot of new information. A subject crying out for good book.
Got any time on your hands? Get cracking John! I'll pre-order one for ZoBlitz for christmas
 

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Media going all out on this Susan Ley character.

Does anyone actually believe she made an 'impulsive' buy on an 800k apartment on the GC and that she just happened to have her husband there whilst on her 'business trip'. Massive rort.
 
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Media going all out on this Susan Ley character.

Does anyone actually believe she made an 'impulsive' buy on an 800k apartment on the GC and that she just happened to have her husband there whilst on her 'business trip'. Massive rort.
After Bronwyn's helicopter, how can they be this ignorant and/or dismissive of the code of conduct.
 
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