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Yeah well I wouldn't go that far, as much as national socialism has its good points there are a few bad points too. But I think I understand what you mean. The word Nazi is thrown around far too often these days. I get your sarcasm in that regards.
No, it really isn't. You're commenting on a history you have little knowledge of, and a present you appear to only vaguely understand. What could you possibly know about fascism? Where does your understanding come from? You have none. s**t man, listen more. There's so much out there from people who really experienced this. Try some Hannah Arendt for starters.
I have found it fascinating that Europes youth are the ones driving the much needed change especially in France. They are sick of no jobs, no housing, and just no help from the EU with a lot of the resources instead siphoned off to immigrants to give them the advantage. The wheel is turning. Even in Australia the current government is remodelling 457 work visas. It's a small step in the right direction but its a start at least.
Man, you really need to read more. Did you know that immigration actually has very little impact on income? For that matter, what do you know about Europe's youth? Why is it that more young people in France voted for Melenchon and Hamon (socialists) than Le Pen?
The wheel is turning indeed sizey, but yet our quarrels are dismissed. If it's a nazi who will better my future then a nazi I will folllow
I think anime nazism, pepe memes, or nazi furries might be right up your alley.
 

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No, it really isn't. You're commenting on a history you have little knowledge of, and a present you appear to only vaguely understand. What could you possibly know about fascism? Where does your understanding come from? You have none. s**t man, listen more. There's so much out there from people who really experienced this. Try some Hannah Arendt for starters.

Man, you really need to read more. Did you know that immigration actually has very little impact on income? For that matter, what do you know about Europe's youth? Why is it that more young people in France voted for Melenchon and Hamon (socialists) than Le Pen?

I think anime nazism, pepe memes, or nazi furries might be right up your alley.
I don't know what those are
 

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'The word Nazi is thrown around far too often these days.'
Meanwhile in QLD...
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I don't know what those are
A beautiful world of opportunity awaits you, friend.
 

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I was going to post in the 'Rage' thread (or whatever it's called) because I'm pretty incensed about the pathetic outrage against Yassmin Abdel-Magied.
I ended up chosing to post here because of the way it's being politicised and the current talk of Nazism in this thread.

I don't think most who are outraging even know or understand what she posted, and are going off what other right wing nut jobs are posting on social media and even some dodgy stories in MSM. Did I miss something, or is the hooha over her post that simply read "Lest. We. Forget. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)"?
The most obvious rebuttal to complaints is that those most vocal, are the same idiots who wanted to change 18C so they could make racist statements under the guise of "free speech". Free speech it seems, is not for everyone. "An insult to diggers" they say. Anyone who can explain this, please feel free to do so.
(I should disclose that I lived & breathed army, all my high school years and served in the Army Reserve for years after school, and as such was heavily involved in ANZAC Day for the best part of 20 years).
Various memes are being posted as if they are reports or direct quotes, stating that Yassmin doesn't care for ANZAC Day because of her religion. I haven't seen her post those comments, so again, please set me straight if I've missed that, but even if she had, that is surely her prerogative.
"Un-Australian" her critics have have claimed. Like any conscientious objector or protester of war? It sickens me that people like Hanson and Joyce are calling for her sacking over that post and all the "patriots" are getting their pitchforks out, demanding the same. Sacked from her job, for posting on her private account, that those countries or people in them not be forgotten? Are they ******* mad? This is the sort of ignorant pot stirring that is encouraging the uprising of intolerance and white supremacy.
So what did she mean? Don't forget the people who are being bombed, killed or persecuted by oppressors, the like of which 'we' have fought in wars? Don't forget the poor buggers who have been displaced and forced to flee their lands, because of war (some where Australia has participated)? * me, how terrible. I just don't get it. Refugees are locked up because of war where Australia supposedly fought on their behalf, like Afghanistan. Should we not remember their plight too? And how is ANZAC Day not the absolutely appropriate day to consider them?

For the alarmists to condemn her comments supporting asylum seekers as "insulting" or "offensive" is like a big "* YOU" to all the Europeans and Asians who have settled here as a result of war.

The right wing has this weird sense of ownership and anyone who makes a contrary comment must burn in hell. SBS reporter Scott McIntyre was sacked for comments made on his private twitter account a couple of years ago. Insensitive and possibly poorly timed, but not totally inaccurate. While folk wave their flags commemorating heroism and sacrifice, they should not lose touch with the realities of war and the horrors conducted as well, and yes by Australians too.
The point is though, the hypocrisy of those waving the flag, spouting "freedom, freedom, freedom" only want their freedom, and anyone who upsets their white privileged version is abhorrent.
Yassmin didn't disrespect anyone. Didn't make claims that our service personnel shouldn't be honoured. Just suggested that others be remembered too.
Those condemning her are exactly the reason for racial unrest and nutbags believing their country is being overrun.
 

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I was going to post in the 'Rage' thread (or whatever it's called) because I'm pretty incensed about the pathetic outrage against Yassmin Abdel-Magied.
I ended up chosing to post here because of the way it's being politicised and the current talk of Nazism in this thread.

I don't think most who are outraging even know or understand what she posted, and are going off what other right wing nut jobs are posting on social media and even some dodgy stories in MSM. Did I miss something, or is the hooha over her post that simply read "Lest. We. Forget. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)"?
The most obvious rebuttal to complaints is that those most vocal, are the same idiots who wanted to change 18C so they could make racist statements under the guise of "free speech". Free speech it seems, is not for everyone. "An insult to diggers" they say. Anyone who can explain this, please feel free to do so.
(I should disclose that I lived & breathed army, all my high school years and served in the Army Reserve for years after school, and as such was heavily involved in ANZAC Day for the best part of 20 years).
Various memes are being posted as if they are reports or direct quotes, stating that Yassmin doesn't care for ANZAC Day because of her religion. I haven't seen her post those comments, so again, please set me straight if I've missed that, but even if she had, that is surely her prerogative.
"Un-Australian" her critics have have claimed. Like any conscientious objector or protester of war? It sickens me that people like Hanson and Joyce are calling for her sacking over that post and all the "patriots" are getting their pitchforks out, demanding the same. Sacked from her job, for posting on her private account, that those countries or people in them not be forgotten? Are they ******* mad? This is the sort of ignorant pot stirring that is encouraging the uprising of intolerance and white supremacy.
So what did she mean? Don't forget the people who are being bombed, killed or persecuted by oppressors, the like of which 'we' have fought in wars? Don't forget the poor buggers who have been displaced and forced to flee their lands, because of war (some where Australia has participated)? **** me, how terrible. I just don't get it. Refugees are locked up because of war where Australia supposedly fought on their behalf, like Afghanistan. Should we not remember their plight too? And how is ANZAC Day not the absolutely appropriate day to consider them?

For the alarmists to condemn her comments supporting asylum seekers as "insulting" or "offensive" is like a big "**** YOU" to all the Europeans and Asians who have settled here as a result of war.

The right wing has this weird sense of ownership and anyone who makes a contrary comment must burn in hell. SBS reporter Scott McIntyre was sacked for comments made on his private twitter account a couple of years ago. Insensitive and possibly poorly timed, but not totally inaccurate. While folk wave their flags commemorating heroism and sacrifice, they should not lose touch with the realities of war and the horrors conducted as well, and yes by Australians too.
The point is though, the hypocrisy of those waving the flag, spouting "freedom, freedom, freedom" only want their freedom, and anyone who upsets their white privileged version is abhorrent.
Yassmin didn't disrespect anyone. Didn't make claims that our service personnel shouldn't be honoured. Just suggested that others be remembered too.
Those condemning her are exactly the reason for racial unrest and nutbags believing their country is being overrun.
i thought the outrage was over her politicising ANZAC Day? Not so much the comments themselves. I haven't seen all that you've said...... just had a quick look on FB I rarely go on that site now holy smokes the hysteria!!!

But that bird gets pretty up in arms over the same pretty insignificant words that people on the side of politics say. So I think it's just both sides at the moment grabbing anything they can and running to the hills screaming Bigot!!!!! Racist!!! Unaustralian!!!!!

Just like how I was quickly called a nazi and then ******* repugnant because sarcasm doesn't come across on this site too well.

Both sides will do anything to further there ludicrous arguments.

Sometimes skoob it's best to sit back smoke a fatty and watch the world burn. Cause let's be honest this s**t that's coming we can't stop. Something gonna give, too much anger in this world. It makes me sad Skoob.

Good on ya for being a reservist though, that's cool as. More balls then I'll ever have that's for sure
 

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i thought the outrage was over her politicising ANZAC Day? Not so much the comments themselves. I haven't seen all that you've said...... just had a quick look on FB I rarely go on that site now holy smokes the hysteria!!!
But that bird gets pretty up in arms over the same pretty insignificant words that people on the side of politics say. So I think it's just both sides at the moment grabbing anything they can and running to the hills screaming Bigot!!!!! Racist!!! Unaustralian!!!!!
Just like how I was quickly called a nazi and then ******* repugnant because sarcasm doesn't come across on this site too well.
Both sides will do anything to further there ludicrous arguments.

Sometimes skoob it's best to sit back smoke a fatty and watch the world burn. Cause let's be honest this s**t that's coming we can't stop. Something gonna give, too much anger in this world. It makes me sad Skoob.

Good on ya for being a reservist though, that's cool as. More balls then I'll ever have that's for sure
The difference being that she isn't getting her head on TV reports and into every media outlet, making demands like Joyce & Hanson.
 

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I was going to post in the 'Rage' thread (or whatever it's called) because I'm pretty incensed about the pathetic outrage against Yassmin Abdel-Magied.
I ended up chosing to post here because of the way it's being politicised and the current talk of Nazism in this thread.

I don't think most who are outraging even know or understand what she posted, and are going off what other right wing nut jobs are posting on social media and even some dodgy stories in MSM. Did I miss something, or is the hooha over her post that simply read "Lest. We. Forget. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)"?
The most obvious rebuttal to complaints is that those most vocal, are the same idiots who wanted to change 18C so they could make racist statements under the guise of "free speech". Free speech it seems, is not for everyone. "An insult to diggers" they say. Anyone who can explain this, please feel free to do so.
(I should disclose that I lived & breathed army, all my high school years and served in the Army Reserve for years after school, and as such was heavily involved in ANZAC Day for the best part of 20 years).
Various memes are being posted as if they are reports or direct quotes, stating that Yassmin doesn't care for ANZAC Day because of her religion. I haven't seen her post those comments, so again, please set me straight if I've missed that, but even if she had, that is surely her prerogative.
"Un-Australian" her critics have have claimed. Like any conscientious objector or protester of war? It sickens me that people like Hanson and Joyce are calling for her sacking over that post and all the "patriots" are getting their pitchforks out, demanding the same. Sacked from her job, for posting on her private account, that those countries or people in them not be forgotten? Are they ******* mad? This is the sort of ignorant pot stirring that is encouraging the uprising of intolerance and white supremacy.
So what did she mean? Don't forget the people who are being bombed, killed or persecuted by oppressors, the like of which 'we' have fought in wars? Don't forget the poor buggers who have been displaced and forced to flee their lands, because of war (some where Australia has participated)? **** me, how terrible. I just don't get it. Refugees are locked up because of war where Australia supposedly fought on their behalf, like Afghanistan. Should we not remember their plight too? And how is ANZAC Day not the absolutely appropriate day to consider them?

For the alarmists to condemn her comments supporting asylum seekers as "insulting" or "offensive" is like a big "**** YOU" to all the Europeans and Asians who have settled here as a result of war.

The right wing has this weird sense of ownership and anyone who makes a contrary comment must burn in hell. SBS reporter Scott McIntyre was sacked for comments made on his private twitter account a couple of years ago. Insensitive and possibly poorly timed, but not totally inaccurate. While folk wave their flags commemorating heroism and sacrifice, they should not lose touch with the realities of war and the horrors conducted as well, and yes by Australians too.
The point is though, the hypocrisy of those waving the flag, spouting "freedom, freedom, freedom" only want their freedom, and anyone who upsets their white privileged version is abhorrent.
Yassmin didn't disrespect anyone. Didn't make claims that our service personnel shouldn't be honoured. Just suggested that others be remembered too.
Those condemning her are exactly the reason for racial unrest and nutbags believing their country is being overrun.
AZAC day is supposedly about remembering past wars, especially WWI. Today, ANZAC day is part of a new war- the culture war:handok: That and making $$$$.
I personally want * all to do with ANZAC day, it has more to do with forgetting than remembering these days. 'They fought for freedom of speech'. No, they fought for the British Empire, and more recently the US.

I find the association of war and military service with heroism to be entirely wrong tbh. Violence may sometimes be necessary, but it is never right or good. People don't 'serve' in wars, they kill people. When we remember WW1 and WW2, we remember young men who understood little of what they were fighting for or against killing more young men in the same position. Little of what ANZAC day is now conveys how truly horrific it all was, and that's without including the civilian casualties (the true tragedy of WW2 in particular). Along with the US, our bizarre fetishisation of our contribution to wars that largely cost us only military personnel is quite sick in some ways. Why is our 'sacrifice' greater than those of nations that were utterly destroyed in parts in wars that we were involved in (large parts of Europe, South-East Asia, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan and so on). Of course we, too, lost much in both world wars, but I think we really need to have this all put into perspective more often.

https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/anzacs-long-shadow
Good book on the subject, ironically by Malcolm's son in law.
 

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Remember years ago, we met up with a couple, one was English and one was German. The conversation ended up about WW2, the German lady quietly reminded us that she, as a kid with her family of siblings etc were bombed too and her town was destroyed and that her family suffered great hardship as a result..

We had not even thought about their side of things until then..the innocent people of all sides who suffer.
 
I was going to post in the 'Rage' thread (or whatever it's called) because I'm pretty incensed about the pathetic outrage against Yassmin Abdel-Magied.
I ended up chosing to post here because of the way it's being politicised and the current talk of Nazism in this thread.

I dug up these choice quotes in a convo with a friend yesterday.

George Christensen on free speech:

“Section 18C is political correctness enshrined into law, and it stifles freedom of speech in Australia.

“Nothing could be more of an affront to Australian values.

George Christensen on someone using their freedom of speech:

"Yasmin [sic] should no longer on the public broadcaster's tax-funded payroll. Self-deportation should also be considered".
 
As soon as it was brought to her attention that it could be considered offensive, she apologised, of her own free will, deleted it and offered her rationale for saying it in the first place. She was then called a "coward" by the likes of Alan Jones for not standing by the courage of her convictions. How many times has Alan Jones walked back s**t he has spouted over his career? When he has admitted he was wrong is probably the only time I have ever thought he was brave or had a semblance of decency to him but I've got no problems calling him a ******* coward next time he does a backflip now.
 

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I dug up these choice quotes in a convo with a friend yesterday.

George Christensen on free speech:

“Section 18C is political correctness enshrined into law, and it stifles freedom of speech in Australia.

“Nothing could be more of an affront to Australian values.

George Christensen on someone using their freedom of speech:

"Yasmin [sic] should no longer on the public broadcaster's tax-funded payroll. Self-deportation should also be considered".
Yep, saw all those. Also That Paul Murray, with their only other avenue to attack her being that she must have known it was offensive, so she's a liar for apologising.:rolleyes:
I sort of expect those reactions from Christensen & Hanson et al, even though they continue to amaze.
The worst ones were the ones that put words in her mouth, like this meme, linked in George's tweet;
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This was in an article that George linked, by Michael Smith. The article now appears a lot shorter than I recall it being originally. I'm not familiar with Michael Smith, other than he was apparently some Sydney based shock jock who once was dumped by 2GB for calling the prophet Mohammad a paedophile.
The above meme has added their own context and comments (fake news). That is worse than the usual suspects carrying on for nothing.
The trouble is, and was largely my point, too many sheeple take that meme as being an accurate representation. IIRC, there was a similar trend in the linked article (now edited).
The telling is in the comments attached to the blog, from readers. They swallow what they are fed & Yassmin is seen in much worse light than should be or deserves.
Yes, I know this happens on both sides of politics, but the shitstorm always seems more fierce and hate filled from these right wing loons. This stirs up a real racial and religious hate, and all of a sudden the Hansons are being elected.
 
I see Eric "If I might say, I wouldn't put the two (paedophiles and asylum seekers) in the same category, necessarily." Abetz has also been on the attack about this too.
 
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Has International Law ever been taken seriously by the world?

America, China and Russa (pretty much every country really) do what they want when they want.

Once you start reading the facts yourself, you really just start seeing all media reports as propaganda.

While social media I think does help combat the "fake news" or propaganda it is obvious it just as easily can do the opposite.

The human brain is such a lazy thing (I am sure there is a better word for it), it really is happy to accept things that are presented as fact without checking those presented facts.

Whether it is Ukraine, the man made islands in the SCS, or the USA bombing sovereign countries in the middle east. It is so easy simply accept the news the TV and other media platforms spit out at you as the whole truth.

The older I get, the more I think we really will just wipe ourselves off the face of the earth one day. We might be smarter and wear clothes, but we still cannot shake the caveman attitude.

International law sounds good, but really it is just a unicorn.

That's the end of my random rant :p
 

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Couldn't agree more!

Why we can't just accept each others differences/cultures and get along is beyond me.....someone is always wanting to fight.

..in the meantime the rest of the world is having to live with the mess and fear they create..
 
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US Congress has agreed on a budget bill.

Some things that are funded: Planned Parenthood, sanctuary cities, Obamacare subsidies for low income earners

Some things that are not funded: The Wall.

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Has politics always been about blaming everyone else for the current problems? I've noticed it really ramping up in Australian politics especially... it's always easier to point the finger and lay blame on the previous opposition party in power I suppose. I'm waiting for the day when a leader actually has the guts to do something... doubt I'd ever see it in this country I'm afraid.
 
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Has politics always been about blaming everyone else for the current problems?

Yes.

I'm waiting for the day when a leader actually has the guts to do something... doubt I'd ever see it in this country I'm afraid.

Hawke and Keating. Sweeping industrial and economic reforms.
 
Hawke and Keating. Sweeping industrial and economic reforms.
And agree or disagree with him, Howard too until his last term.

Since then it's been slogans and no one ever possibly worse off.
 
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