Autopsy A win! vs Richmond

[Ticky009]

 

[Millky95]

IMO it's mental.
Just learning how to win again.
Trusting process and team mates.
Today was a step in the right direction in a team sense.

Which is why its so hard to watch this year

 

[hairy biker]

What a difference a week makes, we are all struggling to work out who makes way for retuning players after the bye.

Key takeaways for me:

• Often it’s just the cattle available - our defence hasn’t looked that solid all year

We spend a lot of time talking about game styles, defensive set up, contested possession/clearances, tackles ,run and carry etc but in many ways player availability is the key.

Simplistic sure,but get Cunningham,Mills and Wicks back and suddenly our defence looks a lot better.
Get Gulden delivering the ball I50 to a fwd line with Amartey and Papley in it, then I'm tipping we'll look a lot better at that end as well.

Guys like Corey Warner, Bice and Cleary have had a good run of games.
Hopefully that will hold them in good stead into the future, but at this point of time with a full(ish) list they will become depth.

Going into your depth to replace 2 or 3 players short term is doable,but longer term absences are harder to cover.
Suspensions in particular have hit us hard (and that is on the players involved).
But it means we have basically been unable to get any continuity and that allayed with longer term injuries, a new coach with perhaps different messaging and possibly a carryover from the GF has meant a disappointing start to the season.

After the bye hopefully we'll have close to a full strength team and IMO it's at that point when we can properly start to judge this season.
And yes I acknowledge it may not change and even if it does it may be too late,but hey I'm a glass half full sort of guy.

 

[The King!]

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He did shut down Prestia right from the start of the second quarter. Prestia had had possession numbers in the teens in the first quarter, and was the main reason why Richmond had had so much territorial advantage early in the game.

I’ve seen Rowbottom play better games from an offensive perspective, but in the context of the season (the previous two weeks) and the game, he did exactly what we needed from the start of the second quarter onwards.

That's fair , I just thought on rewatch the second quarter wasn't as good as I thought it was , I still thought overall he was in our bests -(-say top 8 players)based on everything you laid out . Just wasn't as good as i'd remembered post game is all. The shutdown work is good but i also think the dominance of the team made that easier and his work with the ball was poor.

But absolutely agree he did his job

 

[The King!]

Wouldn't you prefer he got the ball?

We may a s well play a UFC or jujitsu guy

Rowbottom so over rated on here.

Good teams still going to run all over us and get ready for more ten goals losses.

I'd prefer he never kicked that's the problem I have

Rowbottom is overrated maybe not to the extent you say but yep he is a fan favourite. Jmac is an interesting comparison as he appears to be underrated on here now

 

[The King!]

Richmond were as shit as they have been all year , we were as good as we have been though. Our Skipper played down back and cunners and not a butcher.

Would I tip us to beat port in two weeks ? no

Not to pick on Rowwy all
morning but shutting a prestia down is easy when his whole team is getting killed for instance.

Mclean won't get away with dropping every mark etc

But we won and we won't lose during the bye so ****ing enjoy it. At least they had a ****en genuine crack yesterday they didn't win by limping around and Heeney carrying them.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

We spend a lot of time talking about game styles, defensive set up, contested possession/clearances, tackles ,run and carry etc but in many ways player availability is the key.

Simplistic sure,but get Cunningham,Mills and Wicks back and suddenly our defence looks a lot better.
Get Gulden delivering the ball I50 to a fwd line with Amartey and Papley in it, then I'm tipping we'll look a lot better at that end as well.

Guys like Corey Warner, Bice and Cleary have had a good run of games.
Hopefully that will hold them in good stead into the future, but at this point of time with a full(ish) list they will become depth.

Going into your depth to replace 2 or 3 players short term is doable,but longer term absences are harder to cover.
Suspensions in particular have hit us hard (and that is on the players involved).
But it means we have basically been unable to get any continuity and that allayed with longer term injuries, a new coach with perhaps different messaging and possibly a carryover from the GF has meant a disappointing start to the season.

After the bye hopefully we'll have close to a full strength team and IMO it's at that point when we can properly start to judge this season.
And yes I acknowledge it may not change and even if it does it may be too late,but hey I'm a glass half full sort of guy.

Great point on the suspensions. I reckon if those didn’t happen, we are looking at finals as a decent possibility. The Amartey one in particular hurt us.

Call me an eternal optimist, but I wouldn’t put it past this group to make a run at finals still. Not sure they could go deep, but it would be great to build momentum for next year and some belief in the group.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

I think my favourite play of the day was Blakey taking a contested mark on the wing.

Cox, I hope you were watching too. It had been right under your nose and you can do it now that Mills and Cunningham are back. For the love of god and everything that is sacred, move Blakey to the bloody wing!!

He would be a nightmare match up. Too tall for regular wingers, too fast for tall players.

 

[liz]

Richmond were as shit as they have been all year , we were as good as we have been though. Our Skipper played down back and cunners and not a butcher.

Would I tip us to beat port in two weeks ? no

Not to pick on Rowwy all
morning but shutting a prestia down is easy when his whole team is getting killed for instance.

Mclean won't get away with dropping every mark etc

But we won and we won't lose during the bye so ****ing enjoy it. At least they had a ****en genuine crack yesterday they didn't win by limping around and Heeney carrying them.

I agree with many of your observations. Getting a win was a relief but Richmond were awful after quarter time (though not as bad as us last week) and we were many levels of sparkle down from this time last year.

I put value on Rowbum shutting down Prestia because he (Prestia) was the first quarter source of Richmond’s possessions. I was surprised at how ineffectual Hopper and Taranto were at stepping up in the midfield once Prestia had been quelled.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I agree with many of your observations. Getting a win was a relief but Richmond were awful after quarter time (though not as bad as us last week) and we were many levels of sparkle down from this time last year.

I put value on Rowbum shutting down Prestia because he (Prestia) was the first quarter source of Richmond’s possessions. I was surprised at how ineffectual Hopper and Taranto were at stepping up in the midfield once Prestia had been quelled.

Tigers brought good pressure in the first. I think we did better (than in the last fortnight) absorbing it and then ramping up our own in the second and beyond. The reality is Tigers are a bottom 3 side and the other 14 teams are more capable of keeping pressure on for longer and responding when we lift. So yesterday was a good start but PA in Adelaide will be a much better gauge of our level of improvement.

 

[Neverwas]

There endeth the MCG hoodoo!

 

[Punts]

Adams imo is well beyond cooked to

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Adams imo is well beyond cooked to

Agree. I feel like picking him is just doubling down on a mistake.

 

[Glenn_]

Finally some glimpses of what can be achieved by the side , albeit against Richmond who are on a never ending rebuild.
Good to get the win going into the bye week, and then with the players returning after the break time to build on the win , and make a run for the bottom half of the eight.

 

[sr20]

Be keeping it simple next game.

Errol hopefully back in for Bice or Co Warner

Amartey back into the forward line with Hanily out

Florent in for Adams as the sub

Keep the back 7 as it was this week, which means if Roberts comes back, it has to be in Bice or Co Warners role, otherwise through the 2s

 

[kickthething]

I watched him too and he's one of those players that has that flair that we've been missing ..to me it's flair to you it's ho hum. I was enjoying his skillet and run and defensively he wasn't too shabby that doesn't necessarily mean tackles but just intercepting the ball and other shut-down ways.

Flair is one thing, I think his work rate is too discretionary. We need him to be 100% these things .

 

[caesar88]

Preview for the Port game will be up tonight folks

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Be keeping it simple next game.

Errol hopefully back in for Bice or Co Warner

Amartey back into the forward line with Hanily out

Florent in for Adams as the sub

Keep the back 7 as it was this week, which means if Roberts comes back, it has to be in Bice or Co Warners role, otherwise through the 2s

I'd agree with this except I'd bring Errol and Ollie in for Co Warner and Bice, with Bice dropping into sub role. Amartey for Hanily definitely.

I've been a Lloyd fan over the years but he's just not adding anything. Realistically though, he's not getting dropped.

 

[The King!]

Adams subbed on when it was done and was solid enough, not sure why it proved anything definitive. He was the form VFL mid, why is he out

Lloyd’s a way bigger problem

 

[Jewelsbon]

Surely it cant of been that bad.. we havent been a rabble for the past 5 years or so

We won 20+ games last year lol

I think you've forgotten (or probably blanked out) this time two years ago - it is amazing how similar this season is running in comparison to 2023.

After 13 games played in 2023, we were 15th, win/loss of 5/8, with 98.3%. This year we are currently 12th, same win/loss, with 90.1%. We've scored 88 less points this year so far, unsurprisingly with the threadbare forward line we have had and only 3 points more have been scored against us.

We scrapped through to finals in 2023, it's not out of the question that we can do it again this year with the cattle that will be returning in the weeks after the bye.

 

[McGowan3]

Adams subbed on when it was done and was solid enough, not sure why it proved anything definitive. He was the form VFL mid, why is he out

Lloyd’s a way bigger problem

Lloyd was fine yesterday. Adams has lost his zip. Not in the best 23.

 

[Kbroome]

Lloyd was fine yesterday. Adams has lost his zip. Not in the best 23.

Lloyd's first half was horrific

11 touches at 45% DE as a winger is terrible especially when he has 6 TOs more than double anyone else on the ground in that time.

Feel like his numbers were puffed up by the late kick to kick as his last quarter he had 7 touches at 100% mostly in the defensive half (therefore involved in the kick to kick)

This follows on from previous horrific games from Lloydy, he also doesn't provide any quick run and likes to hold it up before kicking it long down the line

 

[Donza]

This follows on from previous horrific games from Lloydy, he also doesn't provide any quick run and likes to hold it up before kicking it long down the line

This in spades.

Its like watching a sloth play football at times.

 

[caesar88]

Lloyd's first half was horrific

11 touches at 45% DE as a winger is terrible especially when he has 6 TOs more than double anyone else on the ground in that time.

Feel like his numbers were puffed up by the late kick to kick as his last quarter he had 7 touches at 100% mostly in the defensive half (therefore involved in the kick to kick)

This follows on from previous horrific games from Lloydy, he also doesn't provide any quick run and likes to hold it up before kicking it long down the line

I'm less bothered by his ball use (he's got 21 mates where that's concerned), and more disappointed by the lack of run, as you say. In the QF last year, Gulden was well-held & McInerney was underdone. Lloyd really stepped up and became the main wingman for us, just constantly on the move and taking the game on. We've really needed him to do that this year and he just hasn't done it at all, but worse, he's not even really showed the endeavour to try.

 

[Jewelsbon]

This in spades.

Its like watching a sloth play football at times.

Yep, very apt description. He seems to have lost all his footy nous. He's frustrating the hell out of me this season.

 

[Kbroome]

Yep, very apt description. He seems to have lost all his footy nous. He's frustrating the hell out of me this season.

To the point that I'd even say I'd play Bice off the wing and dropping Lloyd if we don't drop both of them

Like where does Roberts come back into the lineup if we look 10x the side with Mills at half back

Do we go with Roberts McInerney Gulden as the wingers?