Aaron Black

[AGC]

Because you didn't have Waite. Where does Brown go if Waite takes his place? Looks to me like Brown is rated over Black at this point in time.

I think when they're both at their best, Black>Brown.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

I would have thought freo's longer term plan would be;

Apeness - big key forward to sit inside 50
Tabs - lead up CHF
Mayne - 3rd forward

the rest small forwards

Where would black fit in that proposition? takes Mayne's role as the 3rd forward?

To me, that doesn't justify a 1st round pick from us.

Yes it might solve an issue right now with Pav about to retire but we really aren't bringing in a Jeremy Cameron here

 

[apuchar]

I think when they're both at their best, Black>Brown.

Ok we'll take Brown then

 

[free at last]

Think they rate Mason Wood as well, so he may be even less required.

No shortage of talls at norf.

 

[malpaso]

I would have thought freo's longer term plan would be;

Apeness - big key forward to sit inside 50
Tabs - lead up CHF
Mayne - 3rd forward

the rest small forwards

Where would black fit in that proposition? takes Mayne's role as the 3rd forward?

To me, that doesn't justify a 1st round pick from us.

Yes it might solve an issue right now with Pav about to retire but we really aren't bringing in a Jeremy Cameron here

We need another KPF, there's no discussion to be honest. Apeness could well do with another year in the WAFL. Black is 3-4 seasons ahead of him.

 

[nelroo]

As I said before, is he really worth more than Pick 32/33 if the Jones deal gets done with Pick 42/43? I'm not convinced there's much more between them than that...

Surely you are joking?

 

[Jay-Z]

Would consider 2nd rounder, North do need to jettison a spot or 2 before the draft, and their cap is tight - as shown by the Levi Greenwood saga. If we offered our 2nd i'm sure they'd consider it.

The Greenwood saga has nothing to do with cap space, we're not even paying 100% yet.

If you offered a second round pick (and a low one at that considering your ladder position) you'd be laughed off the table. Nothing short of a 1st rounder would even be listened to

 

[apuchar]

The Greenwood saga has nothing to do with cap space, we're not even paying 100% yet.

If you offered a second round pick (and a low one at that considering your ladder position) you'd be laughed off the table. Nothing short of a 1st rounder would even be listened to

Agree. You hold all the cards. Would be surprised if we gave up 12/13 though but who knows. Freo would have a better understanding of his worth than us.

 

[leungtl]

If you offered a second round pick (and a low one at that considering your ladder position) you'd be laughed off the table. Nothing short of a 1st rounder would even be listened to

Well then keep him? But his value is only going to drop with each passing game in the VFL.

 

[Bulldocker]

I know I've mentioned it previously somewhere, but surely with all the forlorn hopes of getting someone like Black or Waite or Frawley - why wouldn't we be looking at offering Aaron Edwards a lifeline for one or two years. Rookie listed as a speculative pick-up, he offers something of what we're chasing. A big bodied forward that crashes packs, has a reasonable grab and an extremely good goal kicking accuracy rate. Couldn't get a regular gig at Tigers because of Riewoldt and Vickery and the emergence of Griffith.
Black would be my preference but it would cost us virtually nothing except one rookie spot to give Edwards a go. Swap like for like with Gumby...... except he's not injury prone and would certainly provide another option up forward!

 

[Jay-Z]

Well then keep him?

I'm quite sure we intend to.

But his value is only going to drop with each passing game in the VFL.

Waite is notoriously injury prone/suspension prone and 15 games from him next year would be a good result. Brown looks great but is only a first year player and for all we know could suffer 2nd year blues and Petrie has had a fairly good run but older KPPs often get injuries. On top of all of that, depending on who we're playing, we may want to play all 4. I don't think Black will play many VFL games in 2015

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I'm quite sure we intend to.



Waite is notoriously injury prone/suspension prone and 15 games from him next year would be a good result. Brown looks great but is only a first year player and for all we know could suffer 2nd year blues and Petrie has had a fairly good run but older KPPs often get injuries. On top of all of that, depending on who we're playing, we may want to play all 4. I don't think Black will play many VFL games in 2015

Would you accept our first pick 13 + a swap of second rounders?

 

[Jay-Z]

Would you accept our first pick 13 + a swap of second rounders?

Personally I wouldn't trade him, but if we had to (I.e. He wants to go) then yes

 

[Leatherpoizoned]

Giving up our first rounder for Aaron Black is crazy talk. 2nd rounder and/or fringe players with perceived worth ie Suban,De Boer. Not getting him is no big deal, certainly not a big enough deal for North to be talking tough.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Personally I wouldn't trade him, but if we had to (I.e. He wants to go) then yes

Yeah exactly. Unless Black is open to moving then it's all just chit chat.

 

[leungtl]

Waite is notoriously injury prone/suspension prone and 15 games from him next year would be a good result. Brown looks great but is only a first year player and for all we know could suffer 2nd year blues and Petrie has had a fairly good run but older KPPs often get injuries. On top of all of that, depending on who we're playing, we may want to play all 4. I don't think Black will play many VFL games in 2015

If we start talking hypothetical injuries, you could say Black might miss an entire season with injury and his value drops to a 3rd/4th rounder by the end of 2015!

The reality is you're trying to fit 4 players into 3 positions. Logic dictates at least one of those players won't get a regular gig and will become disgruntled/drop in trade value.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Giving up our first rounder for Aaron Black is crazy talk. 2nd rounder and/or fringe players with perceived worth ie Suban,De Boer. Not getting him is no big deal, certainly not a big enough deal for North to be talking tough.

It's not Crazy talk. The guy can play and with more development could be a 50 goal a year player.

 

[malpaso]

Is Black only 192cm? Do not want if that's the case..

 

[purplerunsdeep]

Is Black only 192cm? Do not want if that's the case..

yup

like I said, he is only going to play that 3rd tall - similar attributes to that weagle darling - yes he's ahead of tabs and apeness in their development but really he is a mach 8 version of pav. Depending on our forward set up, will be fighting mayne for that 3rd forward role in 2015.

If we are looking seriously at a forward, you want someone big who will be able to protect the development of tabs / ape

 

[ilikepotatoes]

First rounder would be a minimum for Black. Would walk into our team, and improve us immensely.

 

[free at last]

It's not Crazy talk. The guy can play and with more development could be a 50 goal a year player.

Hawks netted 190 goals off roughy,gunston and bruest in 2014.

We could expect 30-40 goals off Pav,40-50 goals off ballas/Walters,20-30 goals off tabs and 30-40 off black....Yep,Black would be a very handy acquisition for the FFC.

 

[Square Peg]

Giving up our first rounder for Aaron Black is crazy talk. 2nd rounder and/or fringe players with perceived worth ie Suban,De Boer. Not getting him is no big deal, certainly not a big enough deal for North to be talking tough.

Exactly
Black averaged less than 2 goals a game in his so called break out year. He is in the Crameri range, a good forward but not a 50 goal forward which is what you would want for the first round pick plus some that the Norf guys on here claim he is worth. He'd be a really good get for us but if we can't get him for a second rounder and steak knives, we'd be paying overs I reckon

 

[malpaso]

Hawks netted 190 goals off roughy,gunston and bruest in 2014.

We could expect 30-40 goals off Pav,40-50 goals off ballas/Walters,20-30 goals off tabs and 30-40 off black....Yep,Black would be a very handy acquisition for the FFC.

Your underestimating Ballas and Walters. They would be more like 70-80 goals.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Is Black only 192cm? Do not want if that's the case..

He's a mobile forward more than a KPP - his strength is his ability at ground level moreso than taking pack marks etc, and his agility.

2014 is a bit of a write-off for him. He busted his shoulder in the first month and played out the year with it (IMO he should have had the surgery), someone spoke to him at our B&F and he said one game it subluxed seven times, and was popping out at least once a week. His inability to push off players was fairly evident for a lot of the season.

Your time to get him was obviously last year, and we talked him into staying. With him being contracted until 2017 now and rated very highly internally, you would need to pay massive overs based on what he has shown to date. Pick 13 would be laughed out, even though it's probably close to his value right now.

The club put an awful lot of work into convincing him to stay 12 months ago, so I would be shocked if we even entertained a trade. He's comfortably the most talented forward on our list.

 

[Leatherpoizoned]

AFL website quoting Blacks manager saying 'North won't entertain a trade....they have clarified Blacks position with the arrival of Waite... he is a required player at North'