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Thewlis Dish said:
He's a mobile forward more than a KPP - his strength is his ability at ground level moreso than taking pack marks etc, and his agility.

2014 is a bit of a write-off for him. He busted his shoulder in the first month and played out the year with it (IMO he should have had the surgery), someone spoke to him at our B&F and he said one game it subluxed seven times, and was popping out at least once a week. His inability to push off players was fairly evident for a lot of the season.

Your time to get him was obviously last year, and we talked him into staying. With him being contracted until 2017 now and rated very highly internally, you would need to pay massive overs based on what he has shown to date. Pick 13 would be laughed out, even though it's probably close to his value right now.

The club put an awful lot of work into convincing him to stay 12 months ago, so I would be shocked if we even entertained a trade. He's comfortably the most talented forward on our list.
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I like him but at that cost, you can keep him. He is worth no more than a pick in the early 20s as he is not, nor will ever be a kpf. For those who say Pav is the same size, Pav was kpf size 10-15 years ago and is a one in 2 generation player.....something that Black will not nearly replicate. Having said all that, if we can get him for a reasonable price, he will be a reasonable player. The issue is North hold all the cards.
 
As a smokey/stop gap, what are others thoughts on Lewis Johnston from Adelaide? Possibly a bit soft and undersized but deadly accurate and would be at his 3rd and probably final club....we are getting desperate :(
 

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Mason Shaw I'm telling ya!

If we've talked to North about Black surely he's next?
 
Leatherpoizoned said:
Giving up our first rounder for Aaron Black is crazy talk. 2nd rounder and/or fringe players with perceived worth ie Suban,De Boer. Not getting him is no big deal, certainly not a big enough deal for North to be talking tough.
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You are truly deluded if you don't think it will take a first round pick and player to land Black. Actually, it was only one season ago Black looked like a future champion forward. In 2014 he had shoulder problems which effected his form considerably, as Fyfe and Judd have shown shoulder problems can be overcome with the right management. I hate the fact that everyone in trade talk seems to be clueless when discussing the value of a player from another club. The above post being a prime example. There are good reasons why North gave Black a four year contract at the end of 2013. Id offer our first pick and Clancee Pearce in a heartbeat if that package would land Black, as he is contracted I don't think they would even consider that deal as close to enough. Realistically, (and unless you are truly clueless about how the trade process works) for North to part with Black it would take something like our first pick and Crozier and I can't see that happening.
 
FD2646 said:
As a smokey/stop gap, what are others thoughts on Lewis Johnston from Adelaide? Possibly a bit soft and undersized but deadly accurate and would be at his 3rd and probably final club....we are getting desperate :(
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I'd give our first for Josh Jenkins but Adelaide would tell us to piss off
 
yeah sounds quite definite. Don't want to give up 12 for him anyway.

North Melbourne will not be trading Aaron Black despite interest from Fremantle for a second consecutive offseason.

"With Jarrad Waite coming to the club, we have spoken to the Kangaroos about how that might affect Aaron's role in the team," Dover said.

"We've been assured that Aaron very much remains a required player and is seen as a vital part of North's future plans in attack.

"I understand there was an approach from Fremantle about Aaron, but North have said there is zero chance of a trade being done."

Fremantle came close to prying Black from Arden Street at the end of last season, but North eventually re-signed him to the end of 2017.
 
masai said:
How about looking at a chap who hails from Harvey, Antonio Morabitio ?.

Oh what's that you say, he's already on our list !!!!.

Forget about Black at present, Antonio can play the mobile forward role.
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The hell is Antonio Morabito?
 

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Rob said:
Weird position by norf. Why would you want someone sitting in the reserves if they've got currency?
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Because he's our most talented forward and won't be sitting in the reserves if he is fully fit.
 
Thewlis Dish said:
Because he's our most talented forward and won't be sitting in the reserves if he is fully fit.
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I actually totally agree. The stuff said about Black in this thread and his trade value is absurd. With Waite and Petrie both post 30 Black is very much a required player for North. If Black played for us and requested a trade everyone here would be saying a minimum of a top 8 pick for a player who was rated one of the best young prospects in the country only twelve months ago.Especially, considering n 2014 he was greatly hindered in his ability to push off his man in a marking contest. There is soooo much room for improvement for Black in 2015 and beyond.
 
Thewlis Dish said:
Because he's our most talented forward and won't be sitting in the reserves if he is fully fit.
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If you are out there playing, you're out there playing.

He was dead set average this year.

If pick 12 would be close to landing Ryder (pick 16 is not quite enough apparently) 12 for Black would seem right IMO especially when after the first 5 picks in this draft the next 10 are meant to be very close.

Doesn't matter as Black doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
 
Thewlis Dish said:
Because he's our most talented forward and won't be sitting in the reserves if he is fully fit.
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So why recruit Waite?

Have to say I can't really work out their strategy. Seemingly putting everything into the next couple of years. Good on them if it comes off though.
 
raffrox said:
If you are out there playing, you're out there playing.

He was dead set average this year.

If pick 12 would be close to landing Ryder (pick 16 is not quite enough apparently) 12 for Black would seem right IMO especially when after the first 5 picks in this draft the next 10 are meant to be very close.

Doesn't matter as Black doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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Disagree with your view that pick twelve would be even remotely close to being enough to land Ryder if it wasn't for ASDA stuff. Black's form was very much hindered by injury in 2014. There is absolutely zero chance North would consider trading Black for pick twelve anyway, so I agree he isn't going anywhere.
 

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Based on last year I would give pick 12 but based on this year not so sure. Kicking for goal was awful, didn't look particularly mobile. Can't judge him on one bad year but would make me hesitant to give a pick that high after what i saw this year.
 
So basically North recruited Waite, Black isn't happy calls his manager to tell Freo he is willing to come home if North is willing to trade. Freo calls North and North says no.

Black should've signed with us when he was out of contract. Don't start getting sooky now.
 
Rob said:
So why recruit Waite?

Have to say I can't really work out their strategy. Seemingly putting everything into the next couple of years. Good on them if it comes off though.
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The strategy is to keep developing our core group of younger players, while taking advantage of free agency to add list depth and competition for spots. We have a really strong group of players aged 26 and under. The "topping up, putting everything into the next 2 years" is a really lazy, media-driven view IMO. It's as if you can either add experience or develop your kids, and the two are mutually exclusive.

Waite will more than likely push for Petrie's spot than Black's, or Brown's when he inevitably has some second year blues. He is also insurance for Hansen at CHB.

raffrox said:
If you are out there playing, you're out there playing.

He was dead set average this year.
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Are you suggesting his value should be set going by his form in 2014, because the club decided to keep him out on the park rather than send him in for surgery? If that's the case then trading him would be madness, as his upside is enormous.
 
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last year I suggested Spangher and Josh Jenkins ... and was laughed at. I'm not trying to claim it, as I believe I suggested some others that were duds, however I strongly remember wanting Jenkins very much and being told he was shite. Then when I said Spangher people thought it was the worst idea they've ever heard. Anyway the point isn't - everybody apologise - but more so, lets have a look at players getting a game or close to on quality lists, if they are fringe their, then the club must see something in them and with a bit of added confidence, they could turn into very good or SOLID players.
Spangher was sitting on Hawthorns list, never in danger of being cut and people thought he was useless! Always had potential clearly, as otherwise Hawhtorn wouldn't have held onto him, he's the sort of player that gives 120% no matter what, which any club would be lucky to have.
Last year Adelaide were doing well AND Jenkins was clear best 22, yet apparently useless/no good?

Now what does that mean for this year:
Here are some players from good clubs who might be worth looking at:
HAWTHORN:
Grimley
Litherland
Shoenmakers
O'Brien
Jordan Kelly (More small defender - Would fill a hole nicely as he's young; 191cm, can play taller)
SYDNEY:
Membrey
Mitchell (Mid I know but still in the right category)
Reid
Lockyer
Harry Marsh
Towers (Kicked a goal in each of his last 3 matches)
PORT: (Not many talls really)
Butcher (Personally don't rate, but thats what this theory is about)
Paul Stewart
Mitch Harvey (Used as ruck in ressies, I see him as a forward) http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/117353/Mitchell-HARVEY
NORTH:
Obvious ones such as Black and Brown
Lachie Hansen
Tarrant
Daw (What ended up happening with those rape accusations?)
Curran
Mason Wood (3 gls in only ever AFL game! Behind Black, Waite, Petrie, Brown, Daw)
GEELONG:
Kersten
Blicavs
Josh Walker

Too me it's not a matter of saying, he's shit, he's shit, he's shit, but enquiring about each of these guys and finding out what they're worth. Then picking 3/4 of them based on value, asking if they'd be keen to move and really looking at them in detail before deciding on 2 which we can bring over.

Personal favourites (Only KPP) in no order
Would be Wood, Grimley, Harvey and Walker.

Would be really keen on both Mitchell and Kelly, especially Kelly, as other players struggling to get a game at a good club.
 
Mayne kicked 39 goals in 2012, 37 2013, and Black has best of 33? Injury interrupted season for Mayne
but at his best, worth a first round pick? Can also play defence, tackling machine, second rounder and
Suban, and you would still have trouble sitting down.
 
I would rather do a deal with Geelong and trade for Joel Hamling, is better suited to defence, but can play forward, him with Hurley and
we have added some serious height.
 

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