Draft Profile Aaron Black

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Can we call you Uncle Blacky?

Note: In reference to Aaron Black, not Lewis Jetta

 

[Silvagnis]

Lewis Jetta will be 21 when the season starts 04/05/89 so having him as a 1st round draft pick would be a wasteful pick

Carlton would have overlooked Andrew McKay with pick 13 if age was a negative.

Keep talking Jetta down.

 

[Salaryman]

Carlton would have overlooked Andrew McKay with pick 13 if age was a negative.

Keep talking Jetta down.

It's laughable at best, insulting at worst

 

[D_train]

As I posted in that other thread, Carlisle is just 18 and shot up 22 centimetres in the last 18 months.

Where did you hear that General?

 

[shiny_on_top]

Carlisle is just 18 and shot up 22 centimetres in the last 18 months.

WTF

 

[Silvagnis]

Where did you hear that General?

A little thing called google.

Growth spurt helps draft chances

One fact not to be overlooked is his evolution from boy to man. "To grow 22 centimetres in the last 18 months was big," he said.

Before the growth spurt, Carlisle was more focused on carving out a cricket career and was part of the North West Wizards regional representative team in the under-18 Commonwealth Bank Cup.

Standing at 197 centimetres and weighing in at 85 kilograms

Growth spurt helps draft chances

Carlisle could be a good investment if he's as raw and athletic as Tippett, Clark, Leuenberger, Watts, Sellar, Kreuzer and Hampson.

They were recruited from other sports.

 

[pacemaker]

Can we call you Uncle Blacky?

Note: In reference to Aaron Black, not Lewis Jetta

LOLOLOL that is gold. I remember the episode where Millhouse says that, and to top it off the "note" statement

 

[pacemaker]

Carlisle is just 18 and shot up 22 centimetres in the last 18 months.???

What was he eating / drinking / taking?? thats 1.22cm a month

 

[doggies ftw]

Any video footage of Black?

 

[Demon 16]

On the testing he did very well in the jumps, pretty good in the speed, poor in the endurance and woeful in the agility. Tested brilliantly might be a bit of an exaggeration.

Fair enough - didnt realise he went so poorly on the agility test. Endurance can be worked on - he's only a KPP. I think he was in the top 10 for 4 different tests so if it wasnt brilliant it was still very good.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I'd be carefull guys .. he also has a drinking problem from what I've heard.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/exdocker-admits-drink-problem/2009/10/15/1255195876229.html

 

[Pafloyul]

Woeful in agility, hey? That's my favourite test - right, I've gone off him!

 

[__aria__]

epic growth spurt

 

[ratten7]

no agilty? thats fine with stats like these who needs it.

29 disposals, took 14 grabs, and kicked an amazing 6.4

26 possessions, 7 marks, and 13 hit outs, in a rucking role.

I wouldn't mind him at Carlton. Prefer him to most out there.

 

[Blueboys7]

no agilty? thats fine with stats like these who needs it.

29 disposals, took 14 grabs, and kicked an amazing 6.4

26 possessions, 7 marks, and 13 hit outs, in a rucking role.

I wouldn't mind him at Carlton. Prefer him to most out there.

Most recruiters regard stats as the most important tool when drafting a player rather than actually seeing them play. Apparently watching players live is overrated.

 

[Pafloyul]

True, but when that is all that an enthusiastic supporter has at their disposal...

Despite your sarcasm, I think raw stats do tend to overshadow potential in some cases.

 

[Big Bulldog]

Black is a mature age colts player, from what I have read on this site before apparently if you are 19yrs old and playing colts AFL clubs will not look at you.
Thats one theory out the door and secondly Black played I think the majority of the year in colts and kicked 32 goals as a key forward,
Ricciardello another mature age player who played for South Freo colts for the majority of the year kicked 64 goals
and took out the leading goal kicking honours for the whole colts competition, I know who I would be looking at,
but I suppose sometimes some good things are best to be kept quiet.

 

[ratten7]

Most recruiters regard stats as the most important tool when drafting a player rather than actually seeing them play. Apparently watching players live is overrated.

Be as sarcastic as you want to be, It's these kind of Stats that bring your name to the front and get recruiters who may not have had you on their direct radar paying more attention and getting to know more about you.
At the end you have to perform and the least these stats show you his veratility and potential.

http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/10/aaron-black-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/6136459/peel-teen-black-comes-in-from-the-rain/

"Black, who hadn't been part of any State development program, had 29 possessions, took 14 marks and kicked 6.4 - the same score as Subiaco.

It took no time for word of his success to reach Victoria and suddenly he found himself in a far bigger spotlight."

Similar story to Steele Sidebottom last year, who kicked ten in a final. Stats are like having runs on the board.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Does anyone have any video footage of black.

 

[Toadvine]

Similar story to Steele Sidebottom last year, who kicked ten in a final. Stats are like having runs on the board.

I disagree Sidebottom was still very much in calculations for the top 20 before that game that performance just shot him up the order. Black has basically come from not even in the picture for the top 40 to now being a potential first rounder.

If anything compare him to Mitch Brown (Geelong).

 

[mjp]

Black is a mature age colts player, from what I have read on this site before apparently if you are 19yrs old and playing colts AFL clubs will not look at you.
Thats one theory out the door and secondly Black played I think the majority of the year in colts and kicked 32 goals as a key forward,
Ricciardello another mature age player who played for South Freo colts for the majority of the year kicked 64 goals
and took out the leading goal kicking honours for the whole colts competition, I know who I would be looking at,
but I suppose sometimes some good things are best to be kept quiet.

Interesting comments. Ricciardello is a good player - but played colts footy in a man against boys style, out-bodying the opposition in the goal-square etc whereas Black is a leading forward who is ALSO good one-on-one and who spent maybe 50% of his game time at ff. He spent a heap of time on the half forward line, played chb (and full back once) and of course in the ruck.

At senior level he played as a wingman and in the ruck.

If you think Ricciardello could have played league footy as a wingman, then you are attributing qualities to him that I just haven't seen.

The other comments about 19yo's playing colts etc are 'sort of' true. Jayden Post was drafted in the second round by Richmond last year as a 19yo TAC Cup player, so there is precedent. The problem in WA though is that there are some players - and Ricciardello is in this category - who have played 30+ colts games and have a mature body...but despite turning 19 during the year still play colts. Why?

Black was a good example of someone who SHOULD have played colts - no state league experience, developing tall...he would even fit the TAC Cup criteria. But there are some clubs who continue to think that players are better served playing 60 colts games instead of fighting for their spot in the league team and I think they are a bit mistaken about what the recruiters are looking for.

 

[Big Bulldog]

Interesting comments. Ricciardello is a good player - but played colts footy in a man against boys style, out-bodying the opposition in the goal-square etc whereas Black is a leading forward who is ALSO good one-on-one and who spent maybe 50% of his game time at ff. He spent a heap of time on the half forward line, played chb (and full back once) and of course in the ruck.

At senior level he played as a wingman and in the ruck.

If you think Ricciardello could have played league footy as a wingman, then you are attributing qualities to him that I just haven't seen.

The other comments about 19yo's playing colts etc are 'sort of' true. Jayden Post was drafted in the second round by Richmond last year as a 19yo TAC Cup player, so there is precedent. The problem in WA though is that there are some players - and Ricciardello is in this category - who have played 30+ colts games and have a mature body...but despite turning 19 during the year still play colts. Why?

Black was a good example of someone who SHOULD have played colts - no state league experience, developing tall...he would even fit the TAC Cup criteria. But there are some clubs who continue to think that players are better served playing 60 colts games instead of fighting for their spot in the league team and I think they are a bit mistaken about what the recruiters are looking for.

Point taken mjp, but this is the first year that Ricciardello has played forward,mainly CHF.
Previous to that he has held CHB & FB and has not just played those positions well but convincingly.As for muscling out your opponent in the square, isn't that part of the game and a 50/50 contest?At AFL level if a big body like Johnno Brown out muscles his opponent in the goal square, wins the ball and kicks a goal isn't that a good thing?Tough luck to whoever is playing on him. Great forwards are just not leading forwards, they know how to do both. You don't see a forward just lead all game, and not contest 50/50 be it in the square or creating a contest.
Last year he was also invited to play in a intra State 18's game and played on the Wing. Not just me but alot of other people who watched that game say that he was best on ground yet he didn't get into the side, they took Mitch Marsh from that game instead who had 2 kicks and 1 mark for the game but obviously the Marsh name held a much higher profile.Now they have a State 18's Academy which is a great idea,players can be added at anytime.
As for him not playing any league footy, I think that is a South Fremantle FC thing, chasing premierships and not having a development policy. I would pretty confident in saying that if he was at another WAFL club he would have been well & truly playing League football, and has the capability to do so.Besides Ricciardello is a much more experienced player than Black. I believe that the next 2 drafts will involve the drafting of more mature age players, clubs have finally maybe woken up and would rather take players who have more mature bodies and plenty of experience under their belt. I think Black played 3 league games, I know thats 3 more than Ricciardello but Black is still raw and has a long way to go.

 

[mjp]

All fair enough I guess. A couple of comments though:

- Out-muscling your opponent is one thing at AFL level, yet quite another when you are playing on a 16 yo.
- AJ spent a hell of a lot of time at ff. In 3 of the matches I watched - including a critical game against Claremont - he barely left the goal-square, let alone moved away from ff.
- As soon as he started on the wing in that trial game, it was pretty clear he wasn't in the plans of the selectors. Whilst I thing that bog is a pretty big call, he did play well...do you honestly think he could run with Black though? He certainly couldn't down at Anniversary Park in round 20 or whenever it was.

Is Ricciardello good enough? No idea really - but given his size and more to the point his style of play he is going to need to be a success at senior level to get a chance at an AFL club. Black plays a completely different game and projects well as both a key defender and potentially a key forward. Is he good enough? Again, who knows, but his skills and athletic ability are as good as anyone from WA in the draft - except maybe Morabito - and I dont think there is any such thing as too early to pick him.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

All fair enough I guess. A couple of comments though:

- Out-muscling your opponent is one thing at AFL level, yet quite another when you are playing on a 16 yo.
- AJ spent a hell of a lot of time at ff. In 3 of the matches I watched - including a critical game against Claremont - he barely left the goal-square, let alone moved away from ff.
- As soon as he started on the wing in that trial game, it was pretty clear he wasn't in the plans of the selectors. Whilst I thing that bog is a pretty big call, he did play well...do you honestly think he could run with Black though? He certainly couldn't down at Anniversary Park in round 20 or whenever it was.

Is Ricciardello good enough? No idea really - but given his size and more to the point his style of play he is going to need to be a success at senior level to get a chance at an AFL club. Black plays a completely different game and projects well as both a key defender and potentially a key forward. Is he good enough? Again, who knows, but his skills and athletic ability are as good as anyone from WA in the draft - except maybe Morabito - and I dont think there is any such thing as too early to pick him.

Well said MJP.

Aaron Black is far superior to Ricciardello.

You also know with Aaron he will work his arse of to get the best out of himself.

I would be happy for West Coast to take him at pick 7, at worst you know he will be a very solid AFL footballer.

His workrate is very good for a big boy, and could be something special.

Just love how he bury's someone when he tackles them MJP.

 

[Big Bulldog]

All fair enough I guess. A couple of comments though:

- Out-muscling your opponent is one thing at AFL level, yet quite another when you are playing on a 16 yo.
- AJ spent a hell of a lot of time at ff. In 3 of the matches I watched - including a critical game against Claremont - he barely left the goal-square, let alone moved away from ff.
- As soon as he started on the wing in that trial game, it was pretty clear he wasn't in the plans of the selectors. Whilst I thing that bog is a pretty big call, he did play well...do you honestly think he could run with Black though? He certainly couldn't down at Anniversary Park in round 20 or whenever it was.

Is Ricciardello good enough? No idea really - but given his size and more to the point his style of play he is going to need to be a success at senior level to get a chance at an AFL club. Black plays a completely different game and projects well as both a key defender and potentially a key forward. Is he good enough? Again, who knows, but his skills and athletic ability are as good as anyone from WA in the draft - except maybe Morabito - and I dont think there is any such thing as too early to pick him.

I am pretty sure that there was no 16yr old FB or CHB playing colts this year? Pretty sure that most opposition sides put there best players on him, most times he had more than one player on him. I remember one game when he had a player either side of him and 1 covering from behind. Anyway I'll finish off by wishing every player who has aspirirations of playing AFL or WAFL the very best of luck.