Aaron Naughton or Oscar Allen

[ManOfClay]

At the end of the day, a big forward needs to take contested marks and kick goals. Allen has Naughton covered for both those things,

this is called going the early Crow...

 

[kaiserchief13]

this is called going the early Crow...

It's called having an opinion Allen is a better mark and kick than Naughton. He is definitely a better kick and mark is debatable because both are good marks.

 

[ManOfClay]

It's called having an opinion Allen is a better mark and kick than Naughton. He is definitely a better kick and mark is debatable because both are good marks.

“At the end of the day, a big forward needs to take contested marks and kick goals. Allen has Naughton covered for both those things”

Naughton has more goals and contested marks so how does Allen have him covered?

 

[kaiserchief13]

“At the end of the day, a big forward needs to take contested marks and kick goals. Allen has Naughton covered for both those things”

Naughton has more goals and contested marks so how does Allen have him covered?

Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make their opinion wrong. You Bulldog fans are insufferable

 

[ManOfClay]

Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make their opinion wrong. You Bulldog fans are insufferable

where was I disagreeing with an opinion? A fact was stated that may have been true at that point in time, but facts do change and shouldn’t be treated as an absolute. Hence my point.

you are jumping at shadows

 

[kaiserchief13]

where was I disagreeing with an opinion? A fact was stated that may have been true at that point in time, but facts do change and shouldn’t be treated as an absolute. Hence my point.

you are jumping at shadows

Posters opinion was that Allen is a better kick and mark than Naughton. You brought stats into it.

Stats don't mean shit comparing these 2 guys because Dogs get way more inside 50's than WC, secondly Allen was playing KPD for a few weeks to cover for injuries and thirdly Allen has both Kennedy and Darling to share the forward entries with when he is playing forward. This all means Allen's stats won't be favourable for KPF's, saying that he still kicks multiple goals per game every time he plays forward.

 

[ManOfClay]

Stats don't mean sh*t comparing these 2 guys because Dogs get way more inside 50's than WC, secondly Allen was playing KPD for a few weeks to cover for injuries and thirdly Allen has both Kennedy and Darling to share the forward entries with when he is playing forward. This all means Allen's stats won't be favourable for KPF's, saying that he still kicks multiple goals per game every time he plays forward.

And these can all be twisted naughton’s way.

Naughton has more goals over his career despite playing a whole season back.

Naughton gets the best defender most of the time. This year Bruce is also second in the Coleman so it’s not like we just go to naughton. We also get a lot of goals from our mids by virtue of the way we play.

Naughton has kicked multiple goals in every game this year. Period. No qualifier needed.

 

[kaiserchief13]

And these can all be twisted naughton’s way.

Naughton has more goals over his career despite playing a whole season back.

Naughton gets the best defender most of the time. This year Bruce is also second in the Coleman so it’s not like we just go to naughton. We also get a lot of goals from our mids by virtue of the way we play.

Naughton has kicked multiple goals in every game this year. Period. No qualifier needed.

Yes so don't look at the stats when comparing them as it won't be even no matter how you slice it.

The eye test is the way to judge the comparison between these 2.

 

[CrowInFiji]

where was I disagreeing with an opinion? A fact was stated that may have been true at that point in time, but facts do change and shouldn’t be treated as an absolute. Hence my point.

you are jumping at shadows

Oh ok so basically I have to wait until the stats say I'm right again? How absurd.

Just get the hell over it, I'm picking Oscar Allen before Naughton in a draft.

You may not like it or agree with it but you can choose to get over the fact people have differing opinions.

 

[ManOfClay]

Geez a couple of you are getting quite aggressive at a differing opinion

 

[ManOfClay]

The eye test is the way to judge the comparison between these 2.

in that respect I and the majority of others would take the player who has more form as his team’s go to.

I’d love to see what Naughton could do with another senior tall forward in the mix. He’s dangerous enough and has proven results as he is.

 

[CrowInFiji]

Geez a couple of you are getting quite aggressive at a differing opinion

That is just you. You do realise that anyone looking at this thread will just discount the posters of WCE and WB as biased so what is the point?

 

[ManOfClay]

Yesterday was a good illustration. Allen was good, had a great patch in the third, but Naughton was a real game breaker.

Dominated in the air despite McGovern and Barrass’ best efforts.

 

[mattwa]

How is this even a debate?

 

[Kwality]

How is this even a debate?

They'd both line up in a WA Origin side, i.e the best of the best.

 

[Wizard]

Yesterday was a good illustration. Allen was good, had a great patch in the third, but Naughton was a real game breaker.

Dominated in the air despite McGovern and Barrass’ best efforts.

On exposed form if you are arguing anything other then Naughton then i think your a fair way off the mark.

Allen is a bloody good player and i think his long term upside when he gets settled could be right there alongside Naughton, but so far its Naughton by a fair way.

 

[Kwality]

On exposed form if you are arguing anything other then Naughton then i think your a fair way off the mark.

Allen is a bloody good player and i think his long term upside when he gets settled could be right there alongside Naughton, but so far its Naughton by a fair way.

To put it in context Allen did not make the AFL '22 under 22' team 2020, Naughton did.

From an Eagles viewpoint, his current roles forward, down back or on ball mean he is an invaluable player, just as Naughton is for the Bulldogs.
For both its about their upside, its huge.

 

[Boristown]

Allen could be a top 20, maybe top 10 player in the league. Naughton could be number 1.

 

[Kwality]

Allen could be a top 20, maybe top 10 player in the league. Naughton could be number 1.

Yep.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yes so don't look at the stats when comparing them as it won't be even no matter how you slice it.

The eye test is the way to judge the comparison between these 2.

The eye test says Naughton by a long way.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Naughton has solely played as a key forward, compared with Allen who started off as a key forward, but now spends his time pinch-hitting in the ruck, up forward and also down back.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Naughton has solely played as a key forward, compared with Allen who started off as a key forward, but now spends his time pinch-hitting in the ruck, up forward and also down back.

kidding right? you west Coast fans want to put up stats and then say he doesn't play always Forward and Naughton does, wow look at stats on career so far excluding Naughtons first year as a Backman.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Oscar Allen and it isn't even close. I don't give a crap if Naughton is getting more uncontested ball. At the end of the day, a big forward needs to take contested marks and kick goals. Allen has Naughton covered for both those things, earns more of the hard ball, is just behind in score involvements and destroys Naughton in both DE and shot accuracy.

If Allen keeps going 5.1 to Naughtons 2.3 there isn't a debate.

You'd have to be genuinely bad at footy watching to think Naughton is superior.

Fantastic post! couldn’t agree less

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Whereas is you're a midfielder.......
I just want us to draft high with inside mids ffs.

Also Allen just ahead of Naughton (Probably bias). Allen has one of the best set of marking hands I've seen.

well I think we both need to watch the other guys team play a bit more because every Bulldogs person will tell you that Naughton’s hands are insanely good. always takes one grab marks and he only needs half a chance and he’ll make it his. I’ve honestly never seen anyone so young with such aerial dominance. Now you are saying that Allen is a better mark so I need to start paying more attention. I hear they both played together as juniors and are mates? if so then how good will the next 15 years be watching these 2!

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Yes so don't look at the stats when comparing them as it won't be even no matter how you slice it.

The eye test is the way to judge the comparison between these 2.

Well if it’s the eye test then Astro has him completely covered. Have you not seen his ‘Stuart Wigney’ inspired mullet?! Have you not seen his guns?!
Does Allen have a cool nickname like AstroNaught?!
I rest my case