Abernethy in trouble?

[FishingRick04]

Boydy reading below he would fit the ethos of Hawthorn for sure.

It says the duo undercut its tenders,
um, free market economics. now if people intercepted mail or tapped phone lines, but thats not suggested here


poached its suppliers

um, how do you "poach" suppliers?
um, free market anyone?



and stole its workers

as in, they came at night wearing balaclavas and gloves, and had a horse float, and snuck in, and when no one was looking, picked up a few workers and ran out the door with them
how do you steal workers

how do you RESTRICT workers from choosing their own employer. i thought there was a thing called restrictive trade practices?


actually, the more I read this, the MORE i like this abernathy and he is PRECISELY the kind of guy you want at a football club

 

[Waspy79]

The crisis deepens.

 

[Port01]

Excellently worked to get one of the Primus appointees away from the next decision. Only Rohde to go. Maybe he stole a packet of chips from the tuck shop 40 years ago.

 

[b0ydman]

Excellently worked to get one of the Primus appointees away from the next decision. Only Rohde to go. Maybe he stole a packet of chips from the tuck shop 40 years ago.

is imposter a criminal offense?

as in "pretending to be a coach" pretended to etc

 

[Canoogs]

It says the duo undercut its tenders,
um, free market economics. now if people intercepted mail or tapped phone lines, but thats not suggested here


poached its suppliers

um, how do you "poach" suppliers?
um, free market anyone?



and stole its workers

as in, they came at night wearing balaclavas and gloves, and had a horse float, and snuck in, and when no one was looking, picked up a few workers and ran out the door with them
how do you steal workers

how do you RESTRICT workers from choosing their own employer. i thought there was a thing called restrictive trade practices?


actually, the more I read this, the MORE i like this abernathy and he is PRECISELY the kind of guy you want at a football club

Bollocks. In a professional sense, if you leave your company to start up your own and sign exclusivity deals with the suppliers of your old company, and actively recruit and target employees of your old company that's dirty business tactics.

There's a difference between "hiring" workers and "stealing" workers. And if he used inside knowledge of tender amounts that he helped prepare while working for IJF in order to steal business, he should expect to have the book thrown at him.

 

[John Hart Jnr]

Link

Mr Abernethy - who played for North Melbourne and Collingwood and who is on the panel to select the Power's new coach - is being sued by his former employer, IJF Australia.

Does anyone else notice the morsel of information that is missing from this statement?

Sean Fewster, you are a grub.

 

[King Elvis]

Fantastic post b0ydman.

Only because it tries to put things in a positive light.

now if people intercepted mail or tapped phone lines, but thats not suggested here

Afaik, he's accused of doing the modern day equivalent - allegedly collating confidential information based upon buy/sell pricing, all of their operating costs, all of their supplier relationships and details (specifically, I believe, overseas ones which IJF set up) and possibly even actual tender submissions, and using that specific information to directly approach and undercut projects IJF were tendering; while he was employed there.

I believe police have raided/seized information (computers) relating to the above; and these things rarely get this far without specific and provable allegations.

I couldn't believe it took so long for this to hit the media, but then again, that prick McGuiness was protected heavily by the media (when they should've torn him apart), I guess they take care of their own - even if their own is a complete arseh*le.


Fairlane - if I was you guys, I'd be figuring out how you can have your entire board sacked; they're complicit in every poor decision which has led you to where you are; yet they seem to skate along without a care in the world.

 

[b0ydman]

Only because it tries to put things in a positive light.



Afaik, he's accused of doing the modern day equivalent - allegedly collating confidential information based upon buy/sell pricing, all of their operating costs and possibly even actual tender submissions, and using that specific information to directly approach and undercut projects IJF were tendering; while he was employed there.

I believe police have raided/seized information (computers) relating to the above; and these things rarely get this far without specific and provable allegations.

I couldn't believe it took so long for this to hit the media, but then again, that prick McGuiness was protected heavily by the media, I guess they take care of their own - even if their own is a complete arseh*le.

and of course jo smith down the street cant get IJF to come out and give him a quote now can he
and no one ever went to start another company having left another company


there is trade secrets, propriety information, intellectual theft and etc

and no, we'll tell the next afl coach "dont bring the intellectual property you know with you, that belongs to your former employer"

even better, you'll send a letter to the club asking the board, saying "afaik he has access to their training methods, drills, patterns of play, strategies. i respectfully request you ask said coach not to coach this game." the modern day equivalent. no?

or do we not ever appoint a coach who has a contact with another club? after all, we must have spoken to them while they were employed there. thats poaching people

and lest we never speak to a player during the season either. Brad Ebert son, you wont be playing vs WCE.

 

[King Elvis]

Comparing an AFL Club to a corporate entity isn't realistic or valid.

You posted that if he'd been accused of doing certain things, it would change your view on the situation; I tell you he's been accused of doing those things, then you shift the goalposts again.

Think what you want; in my opinion, you should be bloody thrilled this has come out - now if you can find some dirt on Rhode, you can have faith in your coaching selection panel.

and of course jo smith down the street cant get IJF to come out and give him a quote now can he

No, he can't.

IJF don't do domestic work - they do multi million dollar projects; like the Fiona Stanley Hospital in Perth.

They aren't going through this because they lost a couple of $20,000 domestic renovations to Aber & Co.

 

[tribey]

Wouldn't like to be in the ex-Crows Show host and Collingwood half-back flanker's shoes.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Does anyone else notice the morsel of information that is missing from this statement?

Sean Fewster, you are a grub.

That quote was the point when I decided they've moved beyond idiocy and bias and have graduated to actively taking the piss. If they were just being biased and didn't want to mention that he was a former Crow, they could've just said 'former AFL footballer' or something. By listing his other two clubs but omitting the Crows, they're actively taking the piss.

 

[Natman]

Only because it tries to put things in a positive light.



Afaik, he's accused of doing the modern day equivalent - allegedly collating confidential information based upon buy/sell pricing, all of their operating costs, all of their supplier relationships and details (specifically, I believe, overseas ones which IJF set up) and possibly even actual tender submissions, and using that specific information to directly approach and undercut projects IJF were tendering; while he was employed there.

I believe police have raided/seized information (computers) relating to the above; and these things rarely get this far without specific and provable allegations.

I couldn't believe it took so long for this to hit the media, but then again, that prick McGuiness was protected heavily by the media (when they should've torn him apart), I guess they take care of their own - even if their own is a complete arseh*le.


Fairlane - if I was you guys, I'd be figuring out how you can have your entire board sacked; they're complicit in every poor decision which has led you to where you are; yet they seem to skate along without a care in the world.

It is completely wrong to suggest, or even imply, that all of the board are complicit in bad decision making. Don't come on here and make grandiose statements that you have no facts to back up.

 

[King Elvis]

Sorry Nat; obviously just an opinion. Just seems to me that the buck never seems to stop with the Board. But yea, just an observation, wasn't designed to ruffle any feathers, apologies if it did.

 

[bomberclifford]

Sorry Nat; obviously just an opinion. Just seems to me that the buck never seems to stop with the Board. But yea, just an observation, wasn't designed to ruffle any feathers, apologies if it did.

FYI, our board has changed significantly over the last 2-3 years.

From the board that reappointed Williams, John Hood, Jane Jeffreys, Darryl Wakelin, Anthony Toop are no longer there and our President has just announced he's standing down.

EDIT: also... three of our current board were appointed late last year.

 

[Natman]

Sorry Nat; obviously just an opinion. Just seems to me that the buck never seems to stop with the Board. But yea, just an observation, wasn't designed to ruffle any feathers, apologies if it did.

Apology accepted - it is dangerous to apply mud to people that we do not know. It often happens with posters on our own board, so you are not alone.

 

[cm_perfect]

and of course jo smith down the street cant get IJF to come out and give him a quote now can he and no one ever went to start another company having left another company

In court documents, the commercial joinery business claims Mr Abernethy and another former employee, Mark Warton, used inside knowledge to create their own company, Direct Project Services - while still employed by IJF.

Very poor form from an ex AFC player

 

[MrMeaner]

I believe police have raided/seized information (computers) relating to the above; and these things rarely get this far without specific and provable allegations.

This is the part I find surprising. The police rarely get involved in matters like this. They are usually dealt with by a civil search order (an Anton Pillar order for the legal geeks out there).

What is surprising in this part of the story for me is that it doesn't appear that IJF have sought an injunction against Direct Project Services from acting upon the confidential information allegedly taken (or if they have, they didn't get it). If that's the case (big 'if' as these reports don't necessarily cover everything), I find it hard to believe that there was enough evidence for police to become involved.

I'm not saying it is untrue. It just seems like a very strange way to go about it. An injunction would have addressed IJF's concerns much quicker.

As for IJF's emotions, that happens. Former employers are often extremely pissed off when their employees set up in competition. That's often because they are real competitors with an edge over absolute newbie entrants. That doesn't mean that they have a claim though.

I am also surprised by Port Adelaide's and Abernathy's reaction to this. It wouldn't be the first time a director of one entity had been sued because of his actions at another entity. They usually don't resign from the entity unrelated to the accusations. I guess Port has had so much bad publicity lately, it is limiting the possible damage from this piece. On the other hand, perhaps it does go further than the usual case and there is possible criminal sanction on the horizon.

All over, it is strange.

 

[Forzaport]

Uh huh. Until there's some real update to this thread, it will be closed.