NO TROLLS Aboriginal names for AFL clubs

[TheEscapeClub]

Oh my. I think you need some support around Aboriginal education. The line has been crossed lol. What is that line? The majority of people find it respectful, the others, well we will leave that.

Majority where? Not in this poll.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Everyone knows Australia is a racist country. We have racist people elected to government like Pauline Hanson.

...and Lydia Thorpe.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

...and Lydia Thorpe.

Big fan of Pauline Hanson?

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Big fan of Pauline Hanson?

Nope.

You a big fan of Lydia?

 

[AvantGardener]

The statement Australia is a racist country does not mean every Australian is racist. Australia has been built on racist principles. Australians can be very accepting of minorities until they deem that those minorities do not know their place. Australians are incredibly racist against Aboriginals.

Ok so how would you classify it if I said Indigenous are a thieving race, as it does not mean every Indigenous is a thief.

Negative connotation + country/race/ethnicity = racist.

Australia is a racist country = racist
Aboriginals are a theiving race = racist
India is a bath dodging country = racist
Scotland is an alcoholic country = racist

So you're saying Aust can be accepting or those minorities until they dont know their place. Does that include minorities being not accepting to other minorities who dont know their place? Or is it just the white caucasian majority you are referring to but hiding behind 'Australia'?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Nope.

You a big fan of Lydia?

You hate outspoken Indigenous people. Why?

 

[AvantGardener]

I'm not arguing there isnt any truth or not to the statement 'Aust is a racist country'.

I am just pointing it out for what it is plus the hypocrisy that comes with using negative connotation for a group of people.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Ok so how would you classify it if I said Indigenous are a thieving race, as it does not mean every Indigenous is a thief.

Negative connotation + country/race/ethnicity = racist.

Australia is a racist country = racist
Aboriginals are a theiving race = racist
India is a bath dodging country = racist
Scotland is an alcoholic country = racist

So you're saying Aust can be accepting or those minorities until they dont know their place. Does that include minorities being not accepting to other minorities who dont know their place? Or is it just the white caucasian majority you are referring to but hiding behind 'Australia'?

Time stop posting nonsense mate.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

You hate outspoken Indigenous people. Why?

Racist.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Racist.

Move on if you're gonna be a clown

 

[AvantGardener]

Time stop posting nonsense mate.

So of those 4 statements I posted re a country is xyz which ones, if any, do you classify as inappropriate?

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Move on if you're gonna be a clown

You're a joke on here, take your own advice.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Majority where? Not in this poll.

Huge difference between agreeing and respecting

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

So of those 4 statements I posted re a country is xyz which ones, if any, do you classify as inappropriate?

We know that Australia is full of racist people so why would you argue otherwise?
So your first point is utter rubbish and embarrassing.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

You're a joke on here, take your own advice.

Are you a big Sam Newman fan? Time to boo the Welcome to Country you reckon?

 

[AvantGardener]

We know that Australia is full of racist people so why would you argue otherwise?
So your first point is utter rubbish and embarrassing.

As I've already said I'm not arguing the truth or not to it. I'm just pointing out you are doing something you claim to be against.

Your failure to answer shows how you know you're being hypocritical.

We know that prisons are full of thieving Aboriginals so why would you argue otherwise?

We know that India is full of stinky people so why would you argue otherwise?

We know that Scotland is full of drunks so why would you argue otherwise?

 

[phantom13]

Ok so how would you classify it if I said Indigenous are a thieving race, as it does not mean every Indigenous is a thief.

Negative connotation + country/race/ethnicity = racist.

Australia is a racist country = racist
Aboriginals are a theiving race = racist
India is a bath dodging country = racist
Scotland is an alcoholic country = racist

So you're saying Aust can be accepting or those minorities until they dont know their place. Does that include minorities being not accepting to other minorities who dont know their place? Or is it just the white caucasian majority you are referring to but hiding behind 'Australia'?

Do you notice how 3 of those statements refer to a country (or at least the vast majority of a countries inhabitants) and one refers to a minority race within a country?

 

[South of the Yarra]

As I've already said I'm not arguing the truth or not to it. I'm just pointing out you are doing something you claim to be against.

Your failure to answer shows how you know you're being hypocritical.

We know that prisons are full of thieving Aboriginals so why would you argue otherwise?

We know that India is full of stinky people so why would you argue otherwise?

We know that Scotland is full of drunks so why would you argue otherwise?

You should know then that the prisons are not full of thieving Aboriginals because so many have died in custody.

 

[AvantGardener]

Do you notice how 3 of those statements refer to a country (or at least the vast majority of a countries inhabitants) and one refers to a minority race within a country?

A nation is an ethnic group with ethnicity being in definition of racism. At worst nationalism is still very closely linked to race.

Ah the old 'if you're in the majority you can't be a victim of racism.'

I could just change the wording to:

Lets place ourselves in Melbourne CBD. Indians are making it stink. Is that ok?

Lets place ourselves in Melbourne at an Irish bar. The Irish are drunks. Is that ok?

Lets place ourselves in India at a cricket game. Aussies are racist. Is that ok?

 

[phantom13]

A nation is an ethnic group with ethnicity being in definition of racism. At worst nationalism is still very closely linked to race.

Ah the old 'if you're in the majority you can't be a victim of racism.'

I could just change the wording to:

Lets place ourselves in Melbourne CBD. Indians are making it stink. Is that ok?

Lets place ourselves in Melbourne at an Irish bar. The Irish are drunks. Is that ok?

Lets place ourselves in India at a cricket game. Aussies are racist. Is that ok?

I mean you just continue to make broad sweeping statements based on racial stereotypes. Your commentary on the nationalism/race/country thing is extremely confused too (not confusing, I see what you’re doing, confused as in you don’t really understand them).

I also never said that the majority couldn’t be subjected to racism, I made the point that 1 of your 4 examples was related to a racial/ethnic minority and the other 3 were related to a majority/country.

If we’re really gonna try to argue that the impact of racism is equal across a racial majority in the country that they are the majority in is the same as when they are a minority then I think you’re a moron.

Finally the real issue you seem to have with the “Australia is a racist country” comment comes in your second last statement.

“Aussies are racist”, your wording, not at all the original statement of “Australia is a racist country”.

Unless you represent the entire country, all levels of government and public service and infrastructure then the comment isn’t directed at you. Plenty (and I do mean plenty) of Australians are racist to varying degrees, you seem to be at best ignorant about the subject.

 

[Kram]

The racist country thing is generally just hyperbolic rubbish used for self serving political purposes often from a position of ignorance.

It's not the 1980/90s anymore.

 

[phantom13]

The racist country thing is generally just hyperbolic rubbish used for self serving political purposes often from a position of ignorance.

It's not the 1980/90s anymore.

It’s absolutely better than it was but you reckon people dudnt say “it’s not the 1960s anymore” in the 80s and 90s?

Progress is great but it’s not the finished product

 

[AvantGardener]

I mean you just continue to make broad sweeping statements based on racial stereotypes. Your commentary on the nationalism/race/country thing is extremely confused too (not confusing, I see what you’re doing, confused as in you don’t really understand them).

I also never said that the majority couldn’t be subjected to racism, I made the point that 1 of your 4 examples was related to a racial/ethnic minority and the other 3 were related to a majority/country.

If we’re really gonna try to argue that the impact of racism is equal across a racial majority in the country that they are the majority in is the same as when they are a minority then I think you’re a moron.

Finally the real issue you seem to have with the “Australia is a racist country” comment comes in your second last statement.

“Aussies are racist”, your wording, not at all the original statement of “Australia is a racist country”.

Unless you represent the entire country, all levels of government and public service and infrastructure then the comment isn’t directed at you. Plenty (and I do mean plenty) of Australians are racist to varying degrees, you seem to be at best ignorant about the subject.

You're just hiding being semantics ignoring that a negative connotation is placed on a group of people.

Ok so there was no point to point out Indigenous are a minority then could have just said racial group.

I'm not arguing anywhere about the impact of racism on different people strawman.

Most people voting no, typical result for a racist country.

This is what was said. This isn't anything to do the government, public service and infrastructure. This is in direct relation to what Australians voted on in this Bigfooty poll. The comment was made because of the actions (voting) of Australians so was very much an Aussies are racist comment.

 

[phantom13]

You're just hiding being semantics ignoring that a negative connotation is placed on a group of people.

Ok so there was no point to point out Indigenous are a minority then could have just said racial group.

I'm not arguing anywhere about the impact of racism on different people strawman.

This is what was said. This isn't anything to do the government, public service and infrastructure. This is in direct relation to what Australians voted on in this Bigfooty poll. The comment was made because of the actions (voting) of Australians so was very much an Aussies are racist comment.

I’m not ignorning the negative connotation, I’m pointing out that if you’re in the vast majority then the negative connotation is far less impactful. Calling “Australians” bogans has next to no impact cause we’re in on it and we control the extent of the imact. Your commentary on indigenous Australians in this context is hurtful and impactful. This isn’t a semantics argument. The minority/majority comment is important whether you want to recognize that or not.

The Voice and it’s mechanics were an example of politics at work. Yes it’s the representation of the people’s vote but the engagement of the people and the campaign of the No vote was some of the most politicized disingenuous shit we’ve ever seen in this country. The fact you think the voice vote isn’t a representation of politics is absolutely insane.

 

[AvantGardener]

I’m not ignorning the negative connotation, I’m pointing out that if you’re in the vast majority then the negative connotation is far less impactful. Calling “Australians” bogans has next to no impact cause we’re in on it and we control the extent of the imact. Your commentary on indigenous Australians in this context is hurtful and impactful. This isn’t a semantics argument. The minority/majority comment is important whether you want to recognize that or not.

The Voice and it’s mechanics were an example of politics at work. Yes it’s the representation of the people’s vote but the engagement of the people and the campaign of the No vote was some of the most politicized disingenuous shit we’ve ever seen in this country. The fact you think the voice vote isn’t a representation of politics is absolutely insane.

You don't even know what you're arguing. I engaged in a direct response to Aristotle Pickett talking about the voting in this threads poll, not the Voice. I have never mentioned the Voice.