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There's a couple of lists on the AFL website (of varying reliability) that may be useful.

Current Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=790

This has King-Wilson instead of Wilson-King, and leaves out (the retired but still listed Nathan Krakouer) but overall looks quite good.

Past Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=791

Though this looks like it's been recently updated, as well as a few other errors, it omits:-
Anderson, Joe (CARLTON), Bolton, Darren (FREMANTLE), Cockie, Adam (WEST COAST), Corrie, Anthony (BRISBANE, COLLINGWOOD), Cox, Shannon (COLLINGWOOD), Egan, Alf (CARLTON, NORTH MELBOURNE), Headland, Des (BRISBANE, FREMANTLE), Hooper, Rhan (BRISBANE, HAWTHORN), Jacky, Jarrhan (ADELAIDE), Keyter, Don (SOUTH MELBOURNE/SYDNEY), Lee, Graeme (ST. KILDA), Lovett, Andrew (ESSENDON), McLeod, Andrew (ADELAIDE), Naley, Mark (CARLTON), Peterson, Carl (HAWTHORN), Roberts, Relton (RICHMOND), Stokes, Cameron (HAWTHORN), Thompson, Wade (PORT ADELAIDE), Wirrpanda, David (WEST COAST).
 

Ron The Bear

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Here's my list based on the one in the AFL Record Season Guide:

Code:
AP# Player                    D.O.B.      Debut   Cb Gms
--------------------------------------------------------
  1 Johnson, Joe            19/01/1883  7/05/1904 Fi  55
  2 Byron, Norm                        13/07/1918 Fi   2
  3 Simmonds, George        16/07/1895 19/07/1924 Me   4
  4 Le Brun, Norm           22/04/1908 18/05/1929 Sy   3
                                                  Es  23
                                                  Co  19
                                                  Ca   5
  5 Egan, Alf                3/04/1910 16/05/1931 Ca  36
                                                  NM  15
  6 Nicholls, Doug           9/12/1906 30/04/1932 Fi  54
  7 James, Shadrach         30/11/1917 11/05/1940 Fi  18
  8 Jackson, Eddie          16/03/1925  3/05/1947 Me  84
  9 McDonald younger, Norm  10/12/1925 10/05/1947 Es 128
 10 Johnson, Percy           8/10/1930 14/07/1951 NM  52
 11 Wandin, Jim             28/07/1933 10/05/1952 St  17
 12 Keyter, Don             13/09/1931 13/06/1953 Sy 86
 13 Collard, Cyril          20/09/1934 20/04/1957 Ha  13
 14 Stewart, Charlie        19/03/1939 15/04/1961 WB  20
 15 Lee, Graeme             12/07/1939 29/04/1961 St  18
 16 Farmer, Graham          10/03/1935 21/04/1962 Ge 101
 17 Reilly, Elkin            2/04/1939 19/05/1962 Sy  51
 18 Lovett, Ted             15/02/1942 10/06/1963 Fi   9
 19 Cummings, Percy          5/09/1946 18/07/1964 Ha   5
 20 Johnson, Bert            8/06/1939 19/04/1965 NM  31
 21 Peardon, Derek          24/09/1950 31/08/1968 Ri  20
 22 Jackson, Syd J.          1/07/1944  5/04/1969 Ca 136
 23 Cooper, Reuben          14/08/1951 19/07/1969 Sy   2
 24 Cable, Barry            22/09/1943  4/04/1970 NM 115
 25 Bloomfield, Alan        12/02/1950  9/05/1970 NM  13
 26 Muir, Robert B.          8/10/1953 20/07/1974 St  68
 27 Graham, Colin W.        26/01/1958 12/07/1975 Me  35
 28 Clarke, Eric            16/02/1957 26/04/1980 St   6
 29 Taylor, Kevin           15/09/1958 28/03/1981 Sy  14
                                                  Fi   1
 30 Waddell, Rod            23/05/1957  1/08/1981 Ca   5
                                                  Ge  20
 31 Egan, Phil               9/02/1963 20/03/1982 Ri 125
                                                  Me   1
 32 Rioli, Maurice           1/09/1957 20/03/1982 Ri 118
 33 Krakouer, Jim           13/10/1958 27/03/1982 NM 134
                                                  St  13
 34 Krakouer, Phil          15/01/1960 27/03/1982 NM 141
                                                  WB   7
 35 Lovett, Wally           15/12/1961  3/04/1982 Co  15
                                                  Ri  13
 36 Bamblett, Les            5/08/1963 26/03/1983 Me  11
                                                  WB  37
 37 McLean, Michael          3/03/1965 13/06/1983 WB  95
                                                  Br  88
 38 Narkle, Phil            29/01/1961 31/03/1984 St  48
                                                  WC  18
 39 McAdam, Greg            18/02/1961 30/03/1985 St  10
 40 Naley, Mark             11/03/1961 28/03/1987 Ca  65
 41 Winmar, Nicky           25/09/1965 28/03/1987 St 230
                                                  WB  21
 42 Lewis, Chris            17/03/1969 29/03/1987 WC 215
 43 Matera, Wally            9/09/1963 29/03/1987 WC  24
                                                  Fi  32
 44 Mitchell, Michael       25/11/1961 29/03/1987 Ri  81
 45 Jeffrey, Russell         6/02/1966 27/06/1987 St  42
                                                  Br   8
 46 Jones, Bob              22/10/1961  4/04/1988 St  20
 47 Ugle, Troy              18/04/1968  8/04/1988 WC  43
 48 Lovell, Andy            28/07/1970 16/04/1988 Me 121
                                                  WC  43
 49 Caton, Kevin             5/10/1965 31/07/1988 WC   1
                                                  Fi   9
                                                  Br   8
 50 Long, Michael            1/10/1969 31/03/1989 Es 190
 51 Jackson, Stevan          9/03/1970 30/04/1989 WC  38
                                                  Ri  21
 52 Kickett, Derek           6/10/1962  7/05/1989 NM  12
                                                  Es  77
                                                  Sy  63
 53 Cable, Shane            21/02/1970 16/06/1989 WC   1
 54 Krakouer, Andrew L.      9/07/1971 29/07/1989 NM   8
 55 Kickett, Dale            4/05/1968 31/03/1990 Fi  15
                                                  WC   2
                                                  St  21
                                                  Es   8
                                                  Fr 135
 56 Matera, Peter            3/04/1969  1/04/1990 WC 253
 57 Cummings, Robert        20/09/1969 21/04/1990 Fi   1
 58 Hocking, Eddie           6/01/1970 22/03/1991 Ad  11
 59 McAdam, Gilbert         30/03/1967 23/03/1991 St  53
                                                  Br  58
 60 Wanganeen, Gavin        18/06/1973  1/04/1991 Es 127
                                                  PA 173
 61 Stanislaus, Brian       30/07/1971  7/04/1991 Sy   1
 62 Lawson, Jamie            5/10/1971  5/05/1991 Sy  61
 63 Francis, Fabian         24/10/1973 13/07/1991 Me   1
                                                  Br  22
                                                  PA  86
 64 Ahmat, Matthew          27/06/1974 10/08/1991 Br   6
                                                  Sy   2
 65 White, Darryl           12/06/1973 21/03/1992 Br 268
 66 Dick, Willie            16/03/1966 22/03/1992 Es   7
 67 Thorpe, Alan            18/10/1968  2/05/1992 Sy   3
                                                  WB  12
 68 Charles, Sean           18/05/1975 23/05/1992 Me  47
                                                  Ca   1
                                                  St   8
 69 Kerinaiua, Adam         17/06/1974  9/08/1992 Br   3
 70 McAdam, Adrian          12/03/1971 23/04/1993 NM  36
 71 Cummings, Trent         28/12/1973 26/03/1994 Fi  27
                                                  WC   2
 72 Bond, Shane R.           9/07/1975 26/03/1994 WC  34
                                                  PA  57
 73 Cockatoo-Collins, Che    5/03/1975 26/03/1994 Es  85
                                                  PA  75
 74 Bond, Troy              14/07/1973 27/03/1994 Ca  36
                                                  Ad  58
 75 Johnson, Chris L.       30/05/1976  2/04/1994 Fi  59
                                                  Br 205
 76 Williams, Russell       20/01/1974 23/04/1994 Es   3
 77 Tongerie, Shane         10/02/1971 30/04/1994 Ad   4
 78 Campbell, Warren        19/10/1974  7/05/1994 NM  19
 79 Murphy, Justin          24/04/1976  4/06/1994 Ri  12
                                                  Ca 115
                                                  Ge  18
                                                  Es  40
 80 Ross, Lachlan           12/08/1973 26/06/1994 Es   2
 81 Abraham, Winston        29/09/1974  1/04/1995 Fr  38
                                                  NM  72
 82 Chisholm, Scott         28/05/1973  1/04/1995 Fr  63
                                                  Me  18
 83 Dhurrkay, Gary           4/03/1974  1/04/1995 Fr  51
                                                  NM  21
 84 Farmer, Jeff            24/06/1977  1/04/1995 Me 118
                                                  Fr 131
 85 Lewfatt, Shawn          11/03/1977  1/04/1995 Es   3
 86 Bird, Peter             30/01/1976 29/04/1995 Fi  15
 87 O'Loughlin, Michael     20/02/1977 30/04/1995 Sy 303
 88 McLeod, Andrew           4/08/1976  5/05/1995 Ad 340
 89 Wolf, Clinton           18/12/1968 14/05/1995 Fr   4
 90 Blurton, Ashley          5/03/1975  1/07/1995 WC  10
                                                  Ri  14
 91 Ahmat, Robbie           19/07/1977 16/07/1995 Co  25
                                                  Sy  42
 92 Burns, Ronnie           13/03/1973 29/03/1996 Ge 134
                                                  Ad  20
 93 Cockatoo-Collins, David  1/04/1978 29/03/1996 Me   2
 94 Cockatoo-Collins, Donald 1/04/1978 29/03/1996 Me   9
 95 Mitchell, Gavin         28/12/1972 31/03/1996 Fr  36
                                                  St  52
 96 West, Mark               3/04/1973  6/04/1996 WB  16
 97 Matera, Phillip         27/11/1975 21/04/1996 WC 179
 98 Koops, Steven           24/07/1978 26/04/1996 Fr  78
                                                  WB  11
 99 Wirrpanda, David         3/08/1979 27/04/1996 WC 227
100 Burgoyne, Peter         29/01/1978 29/03/1997 PA 240
101 Cook, Troy              12/08/1976 11/04/1997 Sy  43
                                                  Fr 150
102 Pickett, Byron          11/08/1977 11/07/1997 NM 120
                                                  PA  55
                                                  Me  29
103 Marshall, Neil           6/07/1977 19/07/1997 WC   4
104 Michael, Clem           16/07/1976 29/03/1998 Fr  43
105 Proctor, Lionel         27/11/1979  1/05/1998 Ri  20
106 Goodes, Adam             8/01/1980 28/03/1999 Sy 301
107 Taylor, Garth           10/07/1980 28/03/1999 Fr  15
108 Rioli, Dean             20/05/1978 10/04/1999 Es 100
109 Bellotti, Laurie        28/02/1976 11/04/1999 WC  24
110 Murray, Derek           25/03/1980 24/04/1999 PA  23
111 Campbell, Fred          14/12/1979 16/05/1999 Sy   5
                                                  St   7
112 Motlop, Shannon         18/08/1978  6/06/1999 NM  54
                                                  Me  10
113 Headland, Des           21/01/1981 27/06/1999 Br  52
                                                  Fr 114
114 Grover, Antoni          11/03/1980 21/08/1999 Fr 201
115 Davis, Leon             17/06/1981 13/03/2000 Co 225
116 Bateman, Chance         21/06/1981 25/03/2000 Ha 175
117 Rusca, Shannon          20/08/1980 25/03/2000 Br   2
118 Whelan, Matthew         13/11/1979  2/04/2000 Me 150
119 O'Loughlin, Ricky        4/07/1979  8/04/2000 Ad   9
120 Woods, Dion             25/01/1982 31/03/2001 Fr  59
121 Krakouer, Andrew J.      4/02/1983 12/05/2001 Ri 102
                                                  Co  23
122 McGrath, Cory            4/02/1979 26/05/2001 Es  28
                                                  Ca  50
123 Ugle, Keren              7/07/1979 21/07/2001 Fr   4
124 McGrath, Ashley         20/05/1983 19/08/2001 Br 176
125 Simpson, Dwayne         12/02/1981 19/08/2001 Fr   2
126 Motlop, Daniel          16/03/1982 24/08/2001 NM  47
                                                  PA  83
127 Cole, Richard           15/07/1983 28/03/2002 Co  56
                                                  Es   7
128 Johncock, Graham        21/10/1982 31/03/2002 Ad 206
129 Williams, Mark          13/04/1983  1/04/2002 Ha 111
                                                  Es   4
130 Burgoyne, Shaun         21/10/1982 14/04/2002 PA 157
                                                  Ha  41
131 Clarke, Xavier          28/09/1983 14/04/2002 St 105
                                                  Br   1
132 Sampi, Ashley           21/01/1984  6/07/2002 WC  78
133 Hayden, Roger            9/12/1980 13/07/2002 Fr 128
134 Murray, Allan           20/05/1982 10/08/2002 PA   1
                                                  St  15
135 Wells, Daniel            3/02/1985 29/03/2003 NM 170
136 McGrath, Marty          23/02/1984 26/07/2003 Ri   4
137 Davey, Aaron            10/06/1983 27/03/2004 Me 150
138 Lovett-Murray, Nathan   18/11/1982 28/03/2004 Es 125
139 Sansbury, Eddie         26/11/1983 28/03/2004 NM  40
140 Corrie, Anthony         22/06/1984 17/04/2004 Br  53
                                                  Co   3
141 Walker, Andrew          18/05/1986 24/04/2004 Ca 127
142 Faulkner, Cameron       22/05/1984  1/05/2004 WB  18
143 Clarke, Raphael         24/09/1985 23/07/2004 St  82
144 Betts, Eddie            26/11/1986 26/03/2005 Ca 145
145 Franklin, Lance         30/01/1987 27/03/2005 Ha 143
146 Miller, Harry           11/06/1985 27/03/2005 Ha  18
147 Lovett, Andrew          11/11/1982 10/04/2005 Es  88
148 Johnson, Michael        20/10/1984 17/04/2005 Fr 125
149 Tambling, Richard       12/09/1986  1/05/2005 Ri 108
                                                  Ad  10
150 Egan, Chris             26/10/1986 15/05/2005 Co  27
151 Pearce, Danyle           7/04/1986 31/07/2005 PA 134
152 Ryder, Patrick          14/03/1988  1/04/2006 Es 117
153 Hooper, Rhan             9/01/1988  8/04/2006 Br  48
                                                  Ha   6
154 Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad  9/02/1988  6/05/2006 Ri  13
155 Roe, Jason              13/03/1984  7/05/2006 Br  50
156 Dempsey, Courtenay      28/08/1987 14/05/2006 Es  54
157 Stokes, Mathew          22/11/1984 27/05/2006 Ge 111
158 Ware, Elijah            14/04/1983 17/06/2006 PA   2
159 Campbell, Matt          21/01/1987 31/03/2007 NM  67
160 Krakouer, Nathan         5/05/1988 31/03/2007 PA  40
                                                  GC  13
161 Thomas, Lindsay         28/02/1988 31/03/2007 NM  91
162 Davey, Alwyn            15/05/1984  1/04/2007 Es  69
163 Griffin, Jonathon       14/01/1986  1/04/2007 Ad  41
                                                  Fr   7
164 Jetta, Leroy             6/07/1988  1/04/2007 Es  62
165 Varcoe, Travis          10/04/1988  7/04/2007 Ge 100
166 Cox, Shannon             7/03/1986 13/04/2007 Co  25
167 Dick, Brad              25/07/1988 13/04/2007 Co  27
168 Edwards, Shane          25/10/1988 20/04/2007 Ri  90
169 Harbrow, Jarrod         18/07/1988 20/04/2007 WB  70
                                                  GC  22
170 Anderson, Joe           24/12/1988 22/04/2007 Ca  17
171 Collard, Clayton         4/12/1988 25/05/2007 Fr   1
172 Lynch, Malcolm          16/03/1988 16/06/2007 WB   2
173 Proud, Albert            6/09/1988 17/06/2007 Br  29
174 Whyman, Djaran          21/08/1983 22/07/2007 NM   3
175 Hill, Josh              19/01/1989 27/07/2007 WB  66
176 Rioli, Cyril            14/07/1989 23/03/2008 Ha  84
177 Stokes, Cameron          2/07/1989 23/03/2008 Ha  20
178 Weetra, Isaac           27/02/1989 23/03/2008 Me   2
179 Wonaeamirri, Austin      2/10/1988  6/04/2008 Me  31
180 Jacky, Jarrhan           5/04/1989 19/04/2008 Ad   3
181 Wellingham, Sharrod      7/07/1988 25/04/2008 Co  72
182 Atkinson, Jarrod        21/02/1985  4/05/2008 Es  17
183 Motlop, Marlon          17/04/1990 23/08/2008 PA   5
184 Garlett, Jeff            3/08/1989 26/03/2009 Ca  55
185 Petrenko, Jared         22/12/1989 28/03/2009 Ad  36
186 Bennell, Jamie           7/06/1990 29/03/2009 Me  51
187 Jetta, Neville          12/02/1990 29/03/2009 Me  30
188 Hill, Stephen            1/05/1990 29/03/2009 Fr  67
189 Thompson, Wade          28/08/1988 12/04/2009 PA   2
190 Cockie, Adam            18/04/1989  2/05/2009 WC   7
191 Sheldon, Sam             8/03/1989  2/05/2009 Br  40
192 Yarran, Chris           19/12/1990  9/05/2009 Ca  46
193 Djerrkura, Nathan       19/09/1988 31/05/2009 Ge   4
                                                  WB   8
194 Stack, Brennan          26/05/1988  5/06/2009 WB  21
195 Walters, Michael         7/01/1991  6/06/2009 Fr  11
196 Garlett, Cruize          6/03/1989 14/06/2009 NM  25
197 Jurrah, Liam            22/09/1988 19/06/2009 Me  35
198 Roberts, Relton          1/03/1986 25/03/2010 Ri   2
199 Peterson, Carl           3/07/1987 27/03/2010 Ha  17
200 Jetta, Lewis             4/05/1989 27/03/2010 Sy  41
201 Armstrong, Tony         29/09/1989 28/03/2010 Ad  14
202 Motlop, Steven          12/03/1991  5/04/2010 Ge   5
203 Taylor, Troy            12/09/1991 18/04/2010 Ri   4
204 Stevens, Koby           18/06/1991 20/06/2010 WC   7
205 Jones, Liam             24/02/1991  1/08/2010 WB  25
206 Sumner, Byron           31/10/1991 27/03/2011 Sy   1
207 Christensen, Allen      19/05/1991  2/04/2011 Ge  19
208 Bennell, Harley          2/10/1992 14/05/2011 GC  14
209 Matera, Brandon         11/03/1992  2/04/2011 GC  12
210 May, Steven             10/01/1992  1/05/2011 GC   9
211 Patrick, Liam            4/03/1988  1/05/2011 GC   3
212 Skinner, Zeph           27/06/1989  7/05/2011 WB   1
213 Weedon, Gerrick         25/05/1991  8/05/2011 WC   1
214 Winmar, Nick            27/04/1991 21/05/2011 St   2
215 Liddy, Rex               2/01/1992 11/06/2011 GC   4
216 Sibosado, Casey         13/10/1990  3/09/2011 Fr   1
217 Hampton, Curtly         10/03/1991 24/03/2012 GWS  1
218 Wilson, Nathan           7/01/1993 24/03/2012 GWS  1
219 Yagmoor, Peter          20/10/1993 30/03/2012 Co   1
Interesting recent additions include Mark Naley and Stevan Jackson.
 

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Ron, I make the current count 220 as well, but this year's Season Guide leaves out Joseph Daye and Tom Nicholls. I've read that their heritage lies elsewhere so I imagine they simply didn't belong on the list in the first place. Don Keyter (Sth Melb/Sydney) is in the book. Darren Bolton (Frem) is the one other name I have that doesn't match your list. He's not included in the aforementioned guide, though he is named on the Aboriginal Football site:- http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5545-0-0-0&sID=222357
 

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Ron, I make the current count 220 as well, but this year's Season Guide leaves out Joseph Daye and Tom Nicholls. I've read that their heritage lies elsewhere so I imagine they simply didn't belong on the list in the first place. Don Keyter (Sth Melb/Sydney) is in the book. Darren Bolton (Frem) is the one other name I have that doesn't match your list. He's not included in the aforementioned guide, though he is named on the Aboriginal Football site:- http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5545-0-0-0&sID=222357
Thanks mate. Keyter is actually in my database; I got lazy and manually updated the list I posted in 2010 and stuffed it up. Re Bolton: impossible to reconcile the different sources; even the AFL one constantly has players coming onto and dropping off the list (Daye & Nicholls!). I'll content myself with working from the AFL source.

Cheers.
 

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Current Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=790

Past Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=791

I'm very pleased to see these two pages have been updated - I sent the website a message regarding this a few days ago - so well done to them for that as they now look much better. Darren Bolton and Graeme Lee from those I mentioned as missing are not included. It's quite possible they don't believe they belong there, but I'll leave them on my list unless I hear they definitely don't belong.
 

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35Daicos - How do I message that website? Norm LeBrun needs to be removed from that list because he was not indigenous.
 

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35Daicos - How do I message that website? Norm LeBrun needs to be removed from that list because he was not indigenous.
I can't remember exactly how I contacted them when I did a year ago, and it now looks a bit different to what I remember.

If you click on Contact at the bottom left of the Past Players page, then Send Us Your Stories (http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=785) you can at least tell your story and hopefully it will reach the right people.

Good luck with this, thanks for raising the issue here, and by all means let us know how you get on.
 

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I can't remember exactly how I contacted them when I did a year ago, and it now looks a bit different to what I remember.

If you click on Contact at the bottom left of the Past Players page, then Send Us Your Stories (http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=785) you can at least tell your story and hopefully it will reach the right people.

Good luck with this, thanks for raising the issue here, and by all means let us know how you get on.
Thank-you. I have done as you have suggested. I had a bit of trouble because it wanted a jpeg to be attached to the "story". But I seem to have gotten away with attaching a pdf of a newspaper article about Normie.

I'll let you know if I get a reply.
 

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Should anyone check out the Current Players list (http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=790) please note that Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) should be on it. For mine, Elijah Edwards (NSW Scholarship) and Jack Martin (17 year old mini draft) don't belong there as they aren't yet on their club's primary or rookie lists. That would make it 67 current indigenous players in the AFL.
 

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Thank-you. I have done as you have suggested. I had a bit of trouble because it wanted a jpeg to be attached to the "story". But I seem to have gotten away with attaching a pdf of a newspaper article about Normie.

I'll let you know if I get a reply.
Perhaps you could also try contacting Official AFL Statisticians Cam Sinclair and Col Hutchinson through here:- https://twitter.com/AFLStatsGuys#

And/or Michael Lovett, editor of the AFL Record Season Guide as that publication includes Norm Le Brun on the list of Every Known Indigenous Player:- 2013 AFL Record Season Guide Updates
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/afl-season-guide-updates
 

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As interesting as the good people on this board will no doubt find your pathetic vendetta against me (which is now bordering on obsession), I'm sure they'd also appreciate it if you could actually contribute something to the discussion, or try really hard to refrain from posting.
 

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Here's my list based on the one in the AFL Record Season Guide:

Code:
AP# Player					D.O.B.	  Debut  Cb Gms
--------------------------------------------------------
  1 Johnson, Joe			19/01/1883  7/05/1904 Fi  55
  2 Byron, Norm						13/07/1918 Fi  2
  3 Simmonds, George		16/07/1895 19/07/1924 Me  4
  4 Le Brun, Norm		  22/04/1908 18/05/1929 Sy  3
												  Es  23
												  Co  19
												  Ca  5
  5 Egan, Alf				3/04/1910 16/05/1931 Ca  36
												  NM  15
  6 Nicholls, Doug		  9/12/1906 30/04/1932 Fi  54
  7 James, Shadrach		30/11/1917 11/05/1940 Fi  18
  8 Jackson, Eddie		  16/03/1925  3/05/1947 Me  84
  9 McDonald younger, Norm  10/12/1925 10/05/1947 Es 128
10 Johnson, Percy		  8/10/1930 14/07/1951 NM  52
11 Wandin, Jim			28/07/1933 10/05/1952 St  17
12 Keyter, Don			13/09/1931 13/06/1953 Sy 86
13 Collard, Cyril		  20/09/1934 20/04/1957 Ha  13
14 Stewart, Charlie		19/03/1939 15/04/1961 WB  20
15 Lee, Graeme			12/07/1939 29/04/1961 St  18
16 Farmer, Graham		  10/03/1935 21/04/1962 Ge 101
17 Reilly, Elkin			2/04/1939 19/05/1962 Sy  51
18 Lovett, Ted			15/02/1942 10/06/1963 Fi  9
19 Cummings, Percy		  5/09/1946 18/07/1964 Ha  5
20 Johnson, Bert			8/06/1939 19/04/1965 NM  31
21 Peardon, Derek		  24/09/1950 31/08/1968 Ri  20
22 Jackson, Syd J.		  1/07/1944  5/04/1969 Ca 136
23 Cooper, Reuben		  14/08/1951 19/07/1969 Sy  2
24 Cable, Barry			22/09/1943  4/04/1970 NM 115
25 Bloomfield, Alan		12/02/1950  9/05/1970 NM  13
26 Muir, Robert B.		  8/10/1953 20/07/1974 St  68
27 Graham, Colin W.		26/01/1958 12/07/1975 Me  35
28 Clarke, Eric			16/02/1957 26/04/1980 St  6
29 Taylor, Kevin		  15/09/1958 28/03/1981 Sy  14
												  Fi  1
30 Waddell, Rod			23/05/1957  1/08/1981 Ca  5
												  Ge  20
31 Egan, Phil			  9/02/1963 20/03/1982 Ri 125
												  Me  1
32 Rioli, Maurice		  1/09/1957 20/03/1982 Ri 118
33 Krakouer, Jim		  13/10/1958 27/03/1982 NM 134
												  St  13
34 Krakouer, Phil		  15/01/1960 27/03/1982 NM 141
												  WB  7
35 Lovett, Wally		  15/12/1961  3/04/1982 Co  15
												  Ri  13
36 Bamblett, Les			5/08/1963 26/03/1983 Me  11
												  WB  37
37 McLean, Michael		  3/03/1965 13/06/1983 WB  95
												  Br  88
38 Narkle, Phil			29/01/1961 31/03/1984 St  48
												  WC  18
39 McAdam, Greg			18/02/1961 30/03/1985 St  10
40 Naley, Mark			11/03/1961 28/03/1987 Ca  65
41 Winmar, Nicky		  25/09/1965 28/03/1987 St 230
												  WB  21
42 Lewis, Chris			17/03/1969 29/03/1987 WC 215
43 Matera, Wally			9/09/1963 29/03/1987 WC  24
												  Fi  32
44 Mitchell, Michael	  25/11/1961 29/03/1987 Ri  81
45 Jeffrey, Russell		6/02/1966 27/06/1987 St  42
												  Br  8
46 Jones, Bob			  22/10/1961  4/04/1988 St  20
47 Ugle, Troy			  18/04/1968  8/04/1988 WC  43
48 Lovell, Andy			28/07/1970 16/04/1988 Me 121
												  WC  43
49 Caton, Kevin			5/10/1965 31/07/1988 WC  1
												  Fi  9
												  Br  8
50 Long, Michael			1/10/1969 31/03/1989 Es 190
51 Jackson, Stevan		  9/03/1970 30/04/1989 WC  38
												  Ri  21
52 Kickett, Derek		  6/10/1962  7/05/1989 NM  12
												  Es  77
												  Sy  63
53 Cable, Shane			21/02/1970 16/06/1989 WC  1
54 Krakouer, Andrew L.	  9/07/1971 29/07/1989 NM  8
55 Kickett, Dale			4/05/1968 31/03/1990 Fi  15
												  WC  2
												  St  21
												  Es  8
												  Fr 135
56 Matera, Peter			3/04/1969  1/04/1990 WC 253
57 Cummings, Robert		20/09/1969 21/04/1990 Fi  1
58 Hocking, Eddie		  6/01/1970 22/03/1991 Ad  11
59 McAdam, Gilbert		30/03/1967 23/03/1991 St  53
												  Br  58
60 Wanganeen, Gavin		18/06/1973  1/04/1991 Es 127
												  PA 173
61 Stanislaus, Brian	  30/07/1971  7/04/1991 Sy  1
62 Lawson, Jamie			5/10/1971  5/05/1991 Sy  61
63 Francis, Fabian		24/10/1973 13/07/1991 Me  1
												  Br  22
												  PA  86
64 Ahmat, Matthew		  27/06/1974 10/08/1991 Br  6
												  Sy  2
65 White, Darryl		  12/06/1973 21/03/1992 Br 268
66 Dick, Willie			16/03/1966 22/03/1992 Es  7
67 Thorpe, Alan			18/10/1968  2/05/1992 Sy  3
												  WB  12
68 Charles, Sean		  18/05/1975 23/05/1992 Me  47
												  Ca  1
												  St  8
69 Kerinaiua, Adam		17/06/1974  9/08/1992 Br  3
70 McAdam, Adrian		  12/03/1971 23/04/1993 NM  36
71 Cummings, Trent		28/12/1973 26/03/1994 Fi  27
												  WC  2
72 Bond, Shane R.		  9/07/1975 26/03/1994 WC  34
												  PA  57
73 Cockatoo-Collins, Che	5/03/1975 26/03/1994 Es  85
												  PA  75
74 Bond, Troy			  14/07/1973 27/03/1994 Ca  36
												  Ad  58
75 Johnson, Chris L.	  30/05/1976  2/04/1994 Fi  59
												  Br 205
76 Williams, Russell	  20/01/1974 23/04/1994 Es  3
77 Tongerie, Shane		10/02/1971 30/04/1994 Ad  4
78 Campbell, Warren		19/10/1974  7/05/1994 NM  19
79 Murphy, Justin		  24/04/1976  4/06/1994 Ri  12
												  Ca 115
												  Ge  18
												  Es  40
80 Ross, Lachlan		  12/08/1973 26/06/1994 Es  2
81 Abraham, Winston		29/09/1974  1/04/1995 Fr  38
												  NM  72
82 Chisholm, Scott		28/05/1973  1/04/1995 Fr  63
												  Me  18
83 Dhurrkay, Gary		  4/03/1974  1/04/1995 Fr  51
												  NM  21
84 Farmer, Jeff			24/06/1977  1/04/1995 Me 118
												  Fr 131
85 Lewfatt, Shawn		  11/03/1977  1/04/1995 Es  3
86 Bird, Peter			30/01/1976 29/04/1995 Fi  15
87 O'Loughlin, Michael	20/02/1977 30/04/1995 Sy 303
88 McLeod, Andrew		  4/08/1976  5/05/1995 Ad 340
89 Wolf, Clinton		  18/12/1968 14/05/1995 Fr  4
90 Blurton, Ashley		  5/03/1975  1/07/1995 WC  10
												  Ri  14
91 Ahmat, Robbie		  19/07/1977 16/07/1995 Co  25
												  Sy  42
92 Burns, Ronnie		  13/03/1973 29/03/1996 Ge 134
												  Ad  20
93 Cockatoo-Collins, David  1/04/1978 29/03/1996 Me  2
94 Cockatoo-Collins, Donald 1/04/1978 29/03/1996 Me  9
95 Mitchell, Gavin		28/12/1972 31/03/1996 Fr  36
												  St  52
96 West, Mark			  3/04/1973  6/04/1996 WB  16
97 Matera, Phillip		27/11/1975 21/04/1996 WC 179
98 Koops, Steven		  24/07/1978 26/04/1996 Fr  78
												  WB  11
99 Wirrpanda, David		3/08/1979 27/04/1996 WC 227
100 Burgoyne, Peter		29/01/1978 29/03/1997 PA 240
101 Cook, Troy			  12/08/1976 11/04/1997 Sy  43
												  Fr 150
102 Pickett, Byron		  11/08/1977 11/07/1997 NM 120
												  PA  55
												  Me  29
103 Marshall, Neil		  6/07/1977 19/07/1997 WC  4
104 Michael, Clem		  16/07/1976 29/03/1998 Fr  43
105 Proctor, Lionel		27/11/1979  1/05/1998 Ri  20
106 Goodes, Adam			8/01/1980 28/03/1999 Sy 301
107 Taylor, Garth		  10/07/1980 28/03/1999 Fr  15
108 Rioli, Dean			20/05/1978 10/04/1999 Es 100
109 Bellotti, Laurie		28/02/1976 11/04/1999 WC  24
110 Murray, Derek		  25/03/1980 24/04/1999 PA  23
111 Campbell, Fred		  14/12/1979 16/05/1999 Sy  5
												  St  7
112 Motlop, Shannon		18/08/1978  6/06/1999 NM  54
												  Me  10
113 Headland, Des		  21/01/1981 27/06/1999 Br  52
												  Fr 114
114 Grover, Antoni		  11/03/1980 21/08/1999 Fr 201
115 Davis, Leon			17/06/1981 13/03/2000 Co 225
116 Bateman, Chance		21/06/1981 25/03/2000 Ha 175
117 Rusca, Shannon		  20/08/1980 25/03/2000 Br  2
118 Whelan, Matthew		13/11/1979  2/04/2000 Me 150
119 O'Loughlin, Ricky		4/07/1979  8/04/2000 Ad  9
120 Woods, Dion			25/01/1982 31/03/2001 Fr  59
121 Krakouer, Andrew J.	  4/02/1983 12/05/2001 Ri 102
												  Co  23
122 McGrath, Cory			4/02/1979 26/05/2001 Es  28
												  Ca  50
123 Ugle, Keren			  7/07/1979 21/07/2001 Fr  4
124 McGrath, Ashley		20/05/1983 19/08/2001 Br 176
125 Simpson, Dwayne		12/02/1981 19/08/2001 Fr  2
126 Motlop, Daniel		  16/03/1982 24/08/2001 NM  47
												  PA  83
127 Cole, Richard		  15/07/1983 28/03/2002 Co  56
												  Es  7
128 Johncock, Graham		21/10/1982 31/03/2002 Ad 206
129 Williams, Mark		  13/04/1983  1/04/2002 Ha 111
												  Es  4
130 Burgoyne, Shaun		21/10/1982 14/04/2002 PA 157
												  Ha  41
131 Clarke, Xavier		  28/09/1983 14/04/2002 St 105
												  Br  1
132 Sampi, Ashley		  21/01/1984  6/07/2002 WC  78
133 Hayden, Roger			9/12/1980 13/07/2002 Fr 128
134 Murray, Allan		  20/05/1982 10/08/2002 PA  1
												  St  15
135 Wells, Daniel			3/02/1985 29/03/2003 NM 170
136 McGrath, Marty		  23/02/1984 26/07/2003 Ri  4
137 Davey, Aaron			10/06/1983 27/03/2004 Me 150
138 Lovett-Murray, Nathan  18/11/1982 28/03/2004 Es 125
139 Sansbury, Eddie		26/11/1983 28/03/2004 NM  40
140 Corrie, Anthony		22/06/1984 17/04/2004 Br  53
												  Co  3
141 Walker, Andrew		  18/05/1986 24/04/2004 Ca 127
142 Faulkner, Cameron	  22/05/1984  1/05/2004 WB  18
143 Clarke, Raphael		24/09/1985 23/07/2004 St  82
144 Betts, Eddie			26/11/1986 26/03/2005 Ca 145
145 Franklin, Lance		30/01/1987 27/03/2005 Ha 143
146 Miller, Harry		  11/06/1985 27/03/2005 Ha  18
147 Lovett, Andrew		  11/11/1982 10/04/2005 Es  88
148 Johnson, Michael		20/10/1984 17/04/2005 Fr 125
149 Tambling, Richard	  12/09/1986  1/05/2005 Ri 108
												  Ad  10
150 Egan, Chris			26/10/1986 15/05/2005 Co  27
151 Pearce, Danyle		  7/04/1986 31/07/2005 PA 134
152 Ryder, Patrick		  14/03/1988  1/04/2006 Es 117
153 Hooper, Rhan			9/01/1988  8/04/2006 Br  48
												  Ha  6
154 Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad  9/02/1988  6/05/2006 Ri  13
155 Roe, Jason			  13/03/1984  7/05/2006 Br  50
156 Dempsey, Courtenay	  28/08/1987 14/05/2006 Es  54
157 Stokes, Mathew		  22/11/1984 27/05/2006 Ge 111
158 Ware, Elijah			14/04/1983 17/06/2006 PA  2
159 Campbell, Matt		  21/01/1987 31/03/2007 NM  67
160 Krakouer, Nathan		5/05/1988 31/03/2007 PA  40
												  GC  13
161 Thomas, Lindsay		28/02/1988 31/03/2007 NM  91
162 Davey, Alwyn			15/05/1984  1/04/2007 Es  69
163 Griffin, Jonathon	  14/01/1986  1/04/2007 Ad  41
												  Fr  7
164 Jetta, Leroy			6/07/1988  1/04/2007 Es  62
165 Varcoe, Travis		  10/04/1988  7/04/2007 Ge 100
166 Cox, Shannon			7/03/1986 13/04/2007 Co  25
167 Dick, Brad			  25/07/1988 13/04/2007 Co  27
168 Edwards, Shane		  25/10/1988 20/04/2007 Ri  90
169 Harbrow, Jarrod		18/07/1988 20/04/2007 WB  70
												  GC  22
170 Anderson, Joe		  24/12/1988 22/04/2007 Ca  17
171 Collard, Clayton		4/12/1988 25/05/2007 Fr  1
172 Lynch, Malcolm		  16/03/1988 16/06/2007 WB  2
173 Proud, Albert			6/09/1988 17/06/2007 Br  29
174 Whyman, Djaran		  21/08/1983 22/07/2007 NM  3
175 Hill, Josh			  19/01/1989 27/07/2007 WB  66
176 Rioli, Cyril			14/07/1989 23/03/2008 Ha  84
177 Stokes, Cameron		  2/07/1989 23/03/2008 Ha  20
178 Weetra, Isaac		  27/02/1989 23/03/2008 Me  2
179 Wonaeamirri, Austin	  2/10/1988  6/04/2008 Me  31
180 Jacky, Jarrhan		  5/04/1989 19/04/2008 Ad  3
181 Wellingham, Sharrod	  7/07/1988 25/04/2008 Co  72
182 Atkinson, Jarrod		21/02/1985  4/05/2008 Es  17
183 Motlop, Marlon		  17/04/1990 23/08/2008 PA  5
184 Garlett, Jeff			3/08/1989 26/03/2009 Ca  55
185 Petrenko, Jared		22/12/1989 28/03/2009 Ad  36
186 Bennell, Jamie		  7/06/1990 29/03/2009 Me  51
187 Jetta, Neville		  12/02/1990 29/03/2009 Me  30
188 Hill, Stephen			1/05/1990 29/03/2009 Fr  67
189 Thompson, Wade		  28/08/1988 12/04/2009 PA  2
190 Cockie, Adam			18/04/1989  2/05/2009 WC  7
191 Sheldon, Sam			8/03/1989  2/05/2009 Br  40
192 Yarran, Chris		  19/12/1990  9/05/2009 Ca  46
193 Djerrkura, Nathan	  19/09/1988 31/05/2009 Ge  4
												  WB  8
194 Stack, Brennan		  26/05/1988  5/06/2009 WB  21
195 Walters, Michael		7/01/1991  6/06/2009 Fr  11
196 Garlett, Cruize		  6/03/1989 14/06/2009 NM  25
197 Jurrah, Liam			22/09/1988 19/06/2009 Me  35
198 Roberts, Relton		  1/03/1986 25/03/2010 Ri  2
199 Peterson, Carl		  3/07/1987 27/03/2010 Ha  17
200 Jetta, Lewis			4/05/1989 27/03/2010 Sy  41
201 Armstrong, Tony		29/09/1989 28/03/2010 Ad  14
202 Motlop, Steven		  12/03/1991  5/04/2010 Ge  5
203 Taylor, Troy			12/09/1991 18/04/2010 Ri  4
204 Stevens, Koby		  18/06/1991 20/06/2010 WC  7
205 Jones, Liam			24/02/1991  1/08/2010 WB  25
206 Sumner, Byron		  31/10/1991 27/03/2011 Sy  1
207 Christensen, Allen	  19/05/1991  2/04/2011 Ge  19
208 Bennell, Harley		  2/10/1992 14/05/2011 GC  14
209 Matera, Brandon		11/03/1992  2/04/2011 GC  12
210 May, Steven			10/01/1992  1/05/2011 GC  9
211 Patrick, Liam			4/03/1988  1/05/2011 GC  3
212 Skinner, Zeph		  27/06/1989  7/05/2011 WB  1
213 Weedon, Gerrick		25/05/1991  8/05/2011 WC  1
214 Winmar, Nick			27/04/1991 21/05/2011 St  2
215 Liddy, Rex			  2/01/1992 11/06/2011 GC  4
216 Sibosado, Casey		13/10/1990  3/09/2011 Fr  1
217 Hampton, Curtly		10/03/1991 24/03/2012 GWS  1
218 Wilson, Nathan		  7/01/1993 24/03/2012 GWS  1
219 Yagmoor, Peter		  20/10/1993 30/03/2012 Co  1
Interesting recent additions include Mark Naley and Stevan Jackson.
Still can't believe Collingwood had just two Indigenous players represent them between 1896-1994.
 

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Still can't believe Collingwood had just two Indigenous players represent them between 1896-1994.
Should Saint Kidding succeed in his quest to have Norm Le Brun removed from the AFL's list of indigenous players (see posts above) that will leave only one - Wally Lovett - who represented Collingwood only in the 1982 season.

Either way, it is a remarkably ordinary looking record.
 

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Should Saint Kidding succeed in his quest to have Norm Le Brun removed from the AFL's list of indigenous players (see posts above) that will leave only one - Wally Lovett - who represented Collingwood only in the 1982 season.

Either way, it is a remarkably ordinary looking record.
Lovett wasn't easily identifiable as Aboriginal, either. He's the leftmost seated player in the middle row in this shot, next to Maurice Rioli.

 

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I managed to get an email to Ali Fahour, the AFL's National Multicultural Manager, yesterday morning. He said he would ask someone from Collingwood to follow up with me. I haven't heard anything yet.

Not sure why Collingwood needs to follow up, unless the move to add him to the AFL's list originally came from them. Collingwood has been the most vocal in claiming him as indigenous though.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2012-05-16/indigenous-magpie-history

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/20 ... die-at-war

He also played for Essendon, South Melbourne, and Carlton.
 

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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2013-04-24/the-last-magpie-to-die-at-war

I managed to get on to Glenn McFarlane and he has corrested his article. He has also informed the AFL so hopefully their records will be amended soon.

Thanks 35 Daicos for your help.
Very well done, Saint Kidding. Good on you for your persistence and of course thanks for providing an update here. I was actually a bit worried that "politics" might get in the way and Collingwood would prefer to leave things as they were, rather than have the records show that they didn't field an indigenous player until 1982. Hopefully we will see the AFL records altered soon.

The article by Glenn McFarlane is a wonderful read. I've always liked his work, and not just because of his Collingwood connection. He puts most of his colleagues to shame these days.
 

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Current Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=790

Past Players:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=791

I'm very pleased to see these two pages have been updated - I sent the website a message regarding this a few days ago - so well done to them for that as they now look much better. Darren Bolton and Graeme Lee from those I mentioned as missing are not included. It's quite possible they don't believe they belong there, but I'll leave them on my list unless I hear they definitely don't belong.
I don't believe that Graeme Lee should be included in the list. Don't remember any reference to him having aboriginal heritage connection when he played with Wynyard, Launceston and East Devonport in the 1960s & 1970s. In that same era however, players like Eddie Thomas (East L'ton/Wynyard) and Neil Maynard (North L'ton) were acknowledged as such members of the community. I'll get in touch with St Kilda FC and seek clarification about Lee's entry.
 
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