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Brisbane Lions Academy

Another good win by the Qld u16 boys against NT!!! Final scores Qld 17.9.111 to NT 5.7.37​

Better players in no order: Liam Dawson, Lachy Weller, Billy O'Donnell, Matt Hammelman, Myra Tomsana​

The boys will play NSW/ACT at 11:30am on Saturday in their final game.​
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Hope this is the right place to ask this.

What is the likelihood of the club academy drafting process becoming corrupted?

If we're going to be picking around 1-2 academy players each year, is this going to be beneficial or problematic for us in the draft? I know it's going to work like father/son (which sounds great), but with so many more of these academy players coming in over the next few years, what will the impact be?

I remember someone saying that the club's aim would be to develop at least 2 very good players each year. If so, the club could benefit from the system (like the Dogs did last year with F/S). If there's only one, is there a risk of us potentially having to take a higher pick than the academy player's worth, because of a bluff bid (AKA what will probably happen with Viney this year)?

I also wonder if in a certain draft, if we've got some mid/late draft options in the academy, would it benefit the club in doing pick deals (say 3rd and 4th for earlier 3rd/late 2nd pick) during trade week. It makes sense to try to improve those non-academy picks as much as possible, assuming that we can develop more 'meat and potatoes' players through the academy and still get them with our next available picks. Pushing it to extremes, we could have a 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, and then an academy kid (rated about 40) with a 6th round pick. If this were to happen, do you think the AFL would stop it happening because the draft is being compromised? I can already here Eddie mouthing off :rolleyes:

This is all assuming that we'll be getting that many good players through the academy of course. I'm not sure if this will be the case or not. Is it right to assume many of the academy boys will start out on the Rookie list?
 
mish33 said:
If we're going to be picking around 1-2 academy players each year, is this going to be beneficial or problematic for us in the draft? I know it's going to work like father/son (which sounds great), but with so many more of these academy players coming in over the next few years, what will the impact be? If there's only one, is there a risk of us potentially having to take a higher pick than the academy player's worth, because of a bluff bid (AKA what will probably happen with Viney this year)?
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It should be only beneficial. We don't have to match people's bids, so if someone bids something above our first rounder for a player we only rate as a second rounder then we can let them have him for that first rounder. The problem with Viney is that Melbourne claim to have "committed" to him, which comes across badly for them if they then don't match a bid.

mish33 said:
I also wonder if in a certain draft, if we've got some mid/late draft options in the academy, would it benefit the club in doing pick deals (say 3rd and 4th for earlier 3rd/late 2nd pick) during trade week. It makes sense to try to improve those non-academy picks as much as possible, assuming that we can develop more 'meat and potatoes' players through the academy and still get them with our next available picks. Pushing it to extremes, we could have a 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, and then an academy kid (rated about 40) with a 6th round pick. If this were to happen, do you think the AFL would stop it happening because the draft is being compromised?
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The academy bidding will be done prior to the start of the trade week(s), so any pick we've committed to taking an academy kid with cannot be used in trading. So we would only get that 40-rated academy kid with our first pick after 40 (say, third rounder). We then can't trade down that pick to try to take that academy kid later. Other than that, it could see us trading up other picks because the academy kids will count towards our three mandatory picks.

mish33 said:
This is all assuming that we'll be getting that many good players through the academy of course. I'm not sure if this will be the case or not. Is it right to assume many of the academy boys will start out on the Rookie list?
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The ones we're looking at next year (Tickner, Conway, Gribble) would probably be scattered through the ND. That will probably vary from year to year, but I wouldn't count on them mainly being rookies.
 
dlanod said:
It should be only beneficial. We don't have to match people's bids, so if someone bids something above our first rounder for a player we only rate as a second rounder then we can let them have him for that first rounder. The problem with Viney is that Melbourne claim to have "committed" to him, which comes across badly for them if they then don't match a bid.
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I see what you mean, but we are 'committing' to Tickner in a way aren't we? I think it will come across badly for any team if they let an academy player go by not matching a bid. What if he turns into a star? The club has put time and resources into developing a player only to let them go - this is what I think other clubs will be thinking anyway. I don't think there'll be many cases like Viney's but I'd be surprised if there weren't some clubs trying to leverage this against the academy teams.

It's probably just paranoia on my part, and as in real-life - commonsense usually prevails.
 
mish33 said:
I see what you mean, but we are 'committing' to Tickner in a way aren't we? I think it will come across badly for any team if they let an academy player go by not matching a bid. What if he turns into a star? The club has put time and resources into developing a player only to let them go - this is what I think other clubs will be thinking anyway. I don't think there'll be many cases like Viney's but I'd be surprised if there weren't some clubs trying to leverage this against the academy teams.

It's probably just paranoia on my part, and as in real-life - commonsense usually prevails.
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Not in the sense that Melbourne (and Essendon) did with their father/sons, nor in such a publicised manner.

You pretty much have to back the club's evaluation of these kids in, otherwise we obviously have the wrong staff.
 
Gee Cain Tickner sure has been given a golden run. Sure hope we can pick him up.
 
I think Conway could be considered a bit unlucky missing out on the top age AIS squad given his performances for Qld this year - Tickner only Qlder who made that squad.
 
Usually the mids come from the football states. From the provinces you generally have to be an athletic tall to get a go. Its nice to have the recognition but with the academies you would think kids like Conway would get just as good if not better coaching through that.
 

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Great to have 2 out of 30 players in the early intake. Congrats to Dawson and Hammelmann. Would have to think this means they're in pole position for our '14 draft.
 
Not exactly academy related but good signs for the future. Was parking for the ekka on the field that terrace use and there was at least 20 kids kicking a few Aussie rules balls on their lunch break. The game is developing really fast, 5 years ago you would only have a handful of people doing that at a private school in bris. Fingers crossed Eddie steps down in the next few years and we can hang on to this academy for quite some time.
 
so folks when are tickner and conway up for grabs in the draft ?? this draft or next

cheers
 

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irish said:
so folks when are tickner and conway up for grabs in the draft ?? this draft or next

cheers
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I've been wondering of late who else we may take from the academy apart from those two in the first year of academy eligibility next season. I think there may be a few surprises if the club expects such a significant proportion of our list to be made up of academy players by 2016. Perhaps three or four in total including rookie spots, and you'd have to assume Tickner and Conway are, at this stage, absolute certainties to be part of that lot.

Next year will be very interesting to see who else stands up and makes their way onto the list.
 
That actually sounds to me like we can only pre select academy players once they have been overlooked in the national draft and pre-season draft, and then the sysem similar to the father sun kicks in. Am i missing something?
 
Harry Haller said:
That actually sounds to me like we can only pre select academy players once they have been overlooked in the national draft and pre-season draft, and then the sysem similar to the father sun kicks in. Am i missing something?
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As rookies you're right. However, we can bid for them, in a similar process to father sons, prior to trade week if we want them on the main list
 
Harry Haller said:
That actually sounds to me like we can only pre select academy players once they have been overlooked in the national draft and pre-season draft, and then the sysem similar to the father sun kicks in. Am i missing something?
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We have priority access to them in the national draft based on the father/son bidding system.

If neither us nor other teams bid on academy players and they slide through to the rookie draft, we can just sign them essentially as rookie free agents.
 

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