News Adam Cooney Re-Signs

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We are also slightly vulnerable because of our financial position. While all clubs have to abide by the salary cap we know that the cap varies for some clubs (eg Sydney-based due to the dubious rationale of the higher cost of living). So while we only have to match whatever offer a Sydney club makes in theory they have more room to make a high offer than we do.

Even if we do have salary cap space, if we think it is over the odds (i.e. more than he is worth) then we might still say our club's budget cannot afford that sort of misspent money and therefore decline to match the offer.

On the compensation issue:
If the AFL was going to eliminate compo for free agent movement then it would seem logical to start with RFAs because under restricted free agency the club has the opportunity to retain the player by matching any rival offers. That is, they have some ability to control the outcome. By contrast, clubs do not have any opportunity to counter-bid when an unrestricted free agent wants to leave, hence there might be more of a case for compensation.

In any case I wouldn't expect any changes to the rules this late in the season.
 

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We are also slightly vulnerable because of our financial position. While all clubs have to abide by the salary cap we know that the cap varies for some clubs (eg Sydney-based due to the dubious rationale of the higher cost of living). So while we only have to match whatever offer a Sydney club makes in theory they have more room to make a high offer than we do.

Even if we do have salary cap space, if we think it is over the odds (i.e. more than he is worth) then we might still say our club's budget cannot afford that sort of misspent money and therefore decline to match the offer.

On the compensation issue:
If the AFL was going to eliminate compo for free agent movement then it would seem logical to start with RFAs because under restricted free agency the club has the opportunity to retain the player by matching any rival offers. That is, they have some ability to control the outcome. By contrast, clubs do not have any opportunity to counter-bid when an unrestricted free agent wants to leave, hence there might be more of a case for compensation.

In any case I wouldn't expect any changes to the rules this late in the season.

If the AFL want to stop the compensation pick for a FA that's fine, but do it after GWS and GC no longer have the extra salary.
 

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Coons has got at least a year and a bit left in him as a high quality mid.
Then could easily hang around the goalline (ala Brad Johnson) for a year or two.

Pick 20 sounds sexy, but it's easy enough to piss away. Hell, we traded our last End of Round 1 Compo for Justin f*ing Sherman (used by Brisbane on Elliot Yeo, whoever that is). From what I can see in recent years, the strike rate around that point in the draft hasn't been stellar, maybe some decent 2012 picks, but it's too early to tell.

2010
1 20 Fremantle Jayden Pitt
1 21 Sydney Jed Lamb
1 22 F/S Western Bulldogs Mitchell Wallis
1 23 Geelong Cameron Guthrie
1 24 St Kilda Jamie Cripps


2011
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier
1 21 F/S Sydney Tom Mitchell
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade


2012
1 20 Collingwood Timothy Broomhead
1 21 Western Bulldogs Nathan Hrovat
1 22 Sydney Dean Towers
1 23 Brisbane Marco Paparone
2 24 St Kilda Nathan Wright



IMO he's worth more to us if he stays, even for 2 years, although I'm sure one of these listed players will prove me wrong now. Anyway, go the Coon-Dog.
 

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G'day guys
It's been reported tonight on channel 10 Hawks are chasing Cooney
Best mates with Lake (not that it makes a diff)
There's a thread on it on our board if interested
Cheers
Thanks buddy.

For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if coons chose hawthorn. With the dodgy knee and kids to provide for, I think he'll be going to the highest bidder rather than searching for success. If buddy leaves then obviously you guys will have the cap space to have a lash at him, so a chance in that instance. But again, my understating is that the chance at a flag won't be overly high on his list of priorities as he makes his decision.
 
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IMO Cooney owes the club to stay, whilst his output has been ok this year, 2011-12 he was our highest paid player and we got 4-5 good games at best. He should stay as long as the offer is reasonable.....although I guess loyalty is long gone in footy
 

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IMO Cooney owes the club to stay, whilst his output has been ok this year, 2011-12 he was our highest paid player and we got 4-5 good games at best. He should stay as long as the offer is reasonable.....although I guess loyalty is long gone in footy

Not so sure about that, he had to find his own treatment for his knee, and I still wonder if his knee was managed as well as it could have been. I don't have a lot of faith in our medical staff to be honest, don't want to knock the club, but they seem to rush players back too soon from injury. Although I should add that I like the way Macca rotates players and gives the younger ones a rest.
 

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One thing about Cooney is that he has an almost telepathic connection to Griffen and Boyd on the field. If he went to another club it would take him ay least a season to re establish such good understanding. He is far more valuable to our club than anyone else.
 

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If the AFL want to stop the compensation pick for a FA that's fine, but do it after GWS and GC no longer have the extra salary.
They should scrap FA compensation when FA movement is more common - whether that is by reducing the number of years to be eligible, or just more players are choosing to move. The fact that compensation exists is because there isn't a culture of FA movement. Just because you lose a player, does not instantly equate to getting a player from another club - not at the level of American sports yet. When St. Kilda lost Goddard, in others sports with more common player movement, they would have just put their hand up in the FA market, and gotten somebody else. But the fact is FA movement isn't quite common enough to be a "lose a player, get a player" market just yet.
 

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Thanks buddy.

For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if coons chose hawthorn. With the dodgy knee and kids to provide for, I think he'll be going to the highest bidder rather than searching for success. If buddy leaves then obviously you guys will have the cap space to have a lash at him, so a chance in that instance. But again, my understating is that the chance at a flag won't be overly high on his list of priorities as he makes his decision.

Dodgy knee issue, it would better for him in the Brown & Gold cause he won't have to be that player that needs to lead by example all the time
 

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2 things to balance out

1. You should only pay him for what he will give you going forward, not what he has already done

Conflicting with that is

2. You have to compete out in the market for his services.

If someone offers more than you think is fair then you have a choice to make.

I think I interpret his preference to stay, as he would prefer to stay (all else being equal).
 

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Cooney's a great guy, and have loved watching him over the years. But I don't mind admitting that I'd prefer the free agency compo for him. I simply do not believe we can get more than 2 years out of him. And especially if we've sorted out our drafting, Pick 20 or so would be EXTREMELY valuable for us. That would be our 4th highest pick over the next 3 years.
Agreed. Hope he goes for a huge bag of money. Will be no use to us when we are rebuilt - might as well roll the dice on a good draft pick.
 

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Hey Doggie supporters... thoughts on this? Found this on a website:

http://www.allfooty.info/2013/07/blockbuster-afl-trade-ideas-adam-cooney.html

Blockbuster AFL Trade Ideas - Adam Cooney and Daniel Cross to Hawthorn


The Hawks can add some depth and experience while the Bulldogs can get some younger players or picks as they try to rebuild their list. They have traded before, and the Hawks and Bulldogs can trade again as they occupy different spots on the ladder and have different priorities to address.


To Hawthorn - Adam Cooney, Daniel Cross
To Western Bulldogs - Xavier Ellis, Luke Lowden, Derek Wanganeen
Cooney would be someone to add outside run and possibly some goals, and if his minutes or games need to be managed due to his knee the Hawks would be able to do that. At the Bulldogs he needs to play big minutes every week for them to have a chance to win games, at Hawthorn they are going to win games with the stars they already have and are getting Cooney to improve their September chances.
Cross arrives as Mitchell insurance, ready to add handballs to the team if Hawthorn have a midfielder out. Cross could be rejuvenated by a trade to a contending team and even if the Hawks don't need him he could be a valuable player in the VFL who would teach their young onballers how to play.
Xavier Ellis would seem like someone who needs a fresh start. He was a high pick and did play in the premiership team so there is talent there. The Bulldogs could use some more height so Luke Lowden might be another Hawk that can go in the trade, or maybe Grimley is someone to consider. Derek Wanganeen might be a player to add some more run to the Bulldogs, he does play well in the VFL but Hawthorn don't need him. Him and Dahlhaus up forward, and as outside midfielders, it could be a good combination.
Something that might be another option is a draft pick, although the Bulldogs may want to remember what Sydney did as they traded for players from other teams who were still young but more ready than the players a draft pick would get. The Hawks have other young players that the Bulldogs could look at too, like Hallahan.
The teams know that they can get a deal done that helps all involved, as veteran Lake wasn't going to win with the Bulldogs so sending him to Hawthorn were he filled a need made sense, and maybe the Bulldogs can get some assets from Hawthorn to build with while the Hawks can add more veteran players to try to win it all.
 

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Hey Doggie supporters... thoughts on this? Found this on a website:



To Hawthorn - Adam Cooney, Daniel Cross
To Western Bulldogs - Xavier Ellis, Luke Lowden, Derek Wanganeen
Why? That's heavily in the Hawks favour. Isn't Ellis perenially injured as well? Kennedy and Mcglynn played 13 and 44 games respectively for the Hawks before moving to the Swans. Lowden and Wanganeen both haven't debuted.
 

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Why? That's heavily in the Hawks favour. Isn't Ellis perenially injured as well? Kennedy and Mcglynn played 13 and 44 games respectively for the Hawks before moving to the Swans. Lowden and Wanganeen both haven't debuted.

Ellis... is almost coming back to play. I would rather get Cooney off you's for... Wanganeen, Ellis & Lowden or Cheney or even our Second round draft pick?

Wanganeen is actually rather smart & creative... he has pace, I know he hasn't debuted because he's rookie listed. Also he's behind the likes of Rioli, Puopolo & Breust. Wanganeen with the WB forwardline now would speak trouble. Ellis can get possessions & would add a different type of midfielder for you... he can kick goals... just needs a fresh start. Lowden competes well at BH & could potentially turn into a very good Ruckman/Forward. Cheney... you probably don't want he's shite.... :p
 

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Ellis... is almost coming back to play. I would rather get Cooney off you's for... Wanganeen, Ellis & Lowden or Cheney or even our Second round draft pick?

Wanganeen is actually rather smart & creative... he has pace, I know he hasn't debuted because he's rookie listed. Also he's behind the likes of Rioli, Puopolo & Breust. Wanganeen with the WB forwardline now would speak trouble. Ellis can get possessions & would add a different type of midfielder for you... he can kick goals... just needs a fresh start. Lowden competes well at BH & could potentially turn into a very good Ruckman/Forward. Cheney... you probably don't want he's shite.... :p
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Ellis... is almost coming back to play. I would rather get Cooney off you's for... Wanganeen, Ellis & Lowden or Cheney or even our Second round draft pick?

Wanganeen is actually rather smart & creative... he has pace, I know he hasn't debuted because he's rookie listed. Also he's behind the likes of Rioli, Puopolo & Breust. Wanganeen with the WB forwardline now would speak trouble. Ellis can get possessions & would add a different type of midfielder for you... he can kick goals... just needs a fresh start. Lowden competes well at BH & could potentially turn into a very good Ruckman/Forward. Cheney... you probably don't want he's shite.... :p
There is no way in hell that we're going to trade a Brownlow medallist, and a 200 game player, for a bunch of guys that haven't debuted, a guy that is perennially injured, and Kyle Cheney. If anything Cheney actually makes the trade WORSE :p

You're going to have to offer a lot more than that.

An equal trade in reverse would be, say, Sam Mitchell for Easton Wood, Daniel Pearce and Ayce Cordy.
 

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Hey Doggie supporters... thoughts on this? Found this on a website:

http://www.allfooty.info/2013/07/blockbuster-afl-trade-ideas-adam-cooney.html

Blockbuster AFL Trade Ideas - Adam Cooney and Daniel Cross to Hawthorn


The Hawks can add some depth and experience while the Bulldogs can get some younger players or picks as they try to rebuild their list. They have traded before, and the Hawks and Bulldogs can trade again as they occupy different spots on the ladder and have different priorities to address.


To Hawthorn - Adam Cooney, Daniel Cross
To Western Bulldogs - Xavier Ellis, Luke Lowden, Derek Wanganeen
Cooney would be someone to add outside run and possibly some goals, and if his minutes or games need to be managed due to his knee the Hawks would be able to do that. At the Bulldogs he needs to play big minutes every week for them to have a chance to win games, at Hawthorn they are going to win games with the stars they already have and are getting Cooney to improve their September chances.
Cross arrives as Mitchell insurance, ready to add handballs to the team if Hawthorn have a midfielder out. Cross could be rejuvenated by a trade to a contending team and even if the Hawks don't need him he could be a valuable player in the VFL who would teach their young onballers how to play.
Xavier Ellis would seem like someone who needs a fresh start. He was a high pick and did play in the premiership team so there is talent there. The Bulldogs could use some more height so Luke Lowden might be another Hawk that can go in the trade, or maybe Grimley is someone to consider. Derek Wanganeen might be a player to add some more run to the Bulldogs, he does play well in the VFL but Hawthorn don't need him. Him and Dahlhaus up forward, and as outside midfielders, it could be a good combination.
Something that might be another option is a draft pick, although the Bulldogs may want to remember what Sydney did as they traded for players from other teams who were still young but more ready than the players a draft pick would get. The Hawks have other young players that the Bulldogs could look at too, like Hallahan.
The teams know that they can get a deal done that helps all involved, as veteran Lake wasn't going to win with the Bulldogs so sending him to Hawthorn were he filled a need made sense, and maybe the Bulldogs can get some assets from Hawthorn to build with while the Hawks can add more veteran players to try to win it all.

That's the only part I think is true... with some others..
 
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