Adam Cooney vs Jimmy Bartel

[Mofra]

cooneys too much of a downhill skier
its all well and good to get 39 and kick 3 against us but how did he go in the finals

You mean when he played on with a cracked patella? Yeah, good point

 

[Jatz]

from a neutral point
bartel easily

 

[soupaman]

I voted on the basis of whether I owuld trade Cooney for Bartel or not. The answer is no, however I don't necessarily think Cooney is better, but I think they are very close and there is really no need to compare anyway.

Cooney on the Brownlow this year not because he was the best player in the league in 2008 (he wasn't), but because he was so dominant in enough games to get the required votes. This isn't to say he is undeserving or lucky, its more a reference to the way the Brownlow is set up. Cooney however is much more deserving than Woewodin, atleast he'll be at a club 6 years down the track.

Cooney's ability to break open games is what sets him apart, when he's on he's on. He wins clearances with brilliant acceleration and speed, has good footskills, can and often does kick goals, can take a mark, can win his own ball and often does stuff which surprises you (very creative handpasses, winning ruck taps etc.).

Thats not to say that Bartel isn't as good or better, it's just to say that what Cooney brings to the game is frequently brilliant.

 

[00Stinger]

It's clear you hate the Bulldogs. Too bad because Melbourne will break the world record in winning the most Wooden Spoons in a row. Though, the record will stop as soon as you run out of cash and get bought out.

Well I don't hate the Bulldogs at all. I actually quite like them and go to a few Bulldogs games each year with my mate who are Bulldog supporters. I just think that Cooney should not have won the Brownlow medal

 

[Hodgepodge]

I went for Cooney, his hitout in the ruck against Cox was just outrageous, and an uninterrupted season will see him in the top 5 midfielders in the game next year.

 

[paul23]

from a neutral point
bartel easily

agreed

 

[Bubba_5]

Bartel. Very comfortably Bartel.

Name one area of the game in which Bartel is better than Cooney other than marking and the fact that he plays for Geelong. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Jimmy fan, but he is definitely not comfortably better than Cooney. I think they are very even, with Cooney being better, but not by much and a different opinion could see Bartel have the slight upper hand, but to say that he is COMFORTABLY better is moronic.

I went for Cooney, his hitout in the ruck against Cox was just outrageous, and an uninterrupted season will see him in the top 5 midfielders in the game next year.

I agree with the fact that Cooney can still improve, but he is already in the top 5 midfielders in the comp . An AA starter mate.

I vote for Cotchin.

Definitely Bartel, no argument needed, one of the best all round midfielders in the competition. But Cotchin is still better.

The only reason you said no argument needed is because you don't, and nobody else does, have a reasonable argument which justifies Bartel being "definitely better".

 

[Power King]

Probably Bartel

Bartel = Star inside midfielder, average outside midfielder

Cooney = Good inside midfielder, good outside midfielder

I guess it depends what each team needs

For Port that's obvious

 

[Lotch]

Bartel. Very comfortably Bartel.

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Also with Gazza JR sometimes getting the heavier tag or more attention it makes it even easier.

 

[Pigdog]

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Also with Gazza JR sometimes getting the heavier tag or more attention it makes it even easier.

I don't understand that logic.

You're saying that Bartel is a better player because he get's less attention. Shouldn't you be judging them on the basis of a level playing field?