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My reasoning is nothing like that.
your reasoning being the rohan connelly line "it might provide a cover for racism"

chances are if you boo a white player, it wont give cover to hidden racism

so at the end of the day: booing black guy / goodes = no good. booing white guy = acceptable? i find this a concerning mentality

once again, discrimination on the grounds o skin color can led down a shaky path
 

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So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.
 

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your reasoning being the rohan connelly line "it might provide a cover for racism"
Saying that booing fan outspoken indigenous player who's received more abuse since his comments on Australia and racism could provide those who do it with racist intent with cover isn't saying you can't boo indigenous players at all.
 

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Also im not sure if its obvious, but hawk fans are paranoid and have a huge chip on our shoulder about 1996, we thought the afl and media in concert was bulldozing our club to make way for what we see as interstate franchises. it may be why we have this huge thing about COLA and other stuff. lmany still believe if we grow weak, people in the afl will try again to merge or relocate hawthorn. Its totally unjustified these days, and more so each year, but thats paranoia for you
But you have a great club with a proud history and some really good supporters, there is no reason why you have to have this chip!

I think part of it comes from massive success, you end up acting in a way subconsciously, that you expect nothing more nothing less. It maybe why our supporters are docile and not aggressive or arrogant, we went through massive hard times and waited 72 years for a flag.

Look at rivalry with WCE, there was respect for both clubs and an appreciation we had something special in terms of a competitive rivalry. With the hawks it seems to be taken tho this level of just nastiness, like a grade 7 bully picking on a 3rd grader.

I love our intense rivalry, i just wish there wasnt this element of nastiness and it was good humoured banter, but its not.
 

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Saying that booing fan outspoken indigenous player who's received more abuse since his comments on Australia and racism could provide those who do it with racist intent with cover isn't saying you can't boo indigenous players at all.
thank you for clarifying the rules
 

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So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.
There's plenty of people with sanity that will point out these people to security and will be dealt with. But according to you, everyone should sacrifice their right to boo so that just in case there is a racist among them, they will be singled out? Good luck with that!
 

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There's plenty of people with sanity that will point out these people to security and will be dealt with. But according to you, everyone should sacrifice their right to boo so that just in case there is a racist among them, they will be singled out? Good luck with that!
Well, that's not according to me. You raise a good point though. People thinking about the unintended consequences of their actions. At the footy no less! It's a hard knock life for a football fan.
thank you for clarifying the rules
I know you were trying to be sarcastic but that response doesn't tie in well with the post as a whole or the part you bolded.
 

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Kidding, right?
Just in case this thread descends in a Sydney Supporters Vs RoW I'd like to point out I'm not standing up for Adam because he's a Swan.

When Barry Hall was playing for us I said he was a thug and I consistently condemned his onfield transgressions. That hit on Staker was right in front of me and it was disgusting.
 

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Well, that's not according to me. You raise a good point though. People thinking about the unintended consequences of their actions. At the footy no less! It's a hard knock life for a football fan.
Well then I guess everyone should just stay home all day everyday. Every action has unintended consequences if you're going to go there
 

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Just in case this thread descends in a Sydney Supporters Vs RoW I'd like to point out I'm not standing up for Adam because he's a Swan.

When Barry Hall was playing for us I said he was a thug and I consistently condemned his onfield transgressions. That hit on Staker was right in front of me and it was disgusting.
I feel the same way, ive never liked Hall tbh as he was a thug. And he has gone down another rank when he joined the hivemind on foxfooty in condemning adam.

you think a former captain of the club who played a long time with adam would have at least afforded goodsey the respect of saying **** all.

I think he pissed off a few former team mates as well.

I understand he is now a paid pundit but show some respect Hall.
 

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You didn't get it straight.

Well, good to see you agree with my original point. That those who boo for whatever reasons provide cover for racism. Did you learn something today?
i feel like ive learn very little

apart from your world view its seems acceptable to boo white people but perhaps not some black - due to some strange form of " provide cover for racism. " reasoning

still cant quite get my head around it im afraid
 

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I feel the same way, ive never liked Hall tbh as he was a thug. And he has gone down another rank when he joined the hivemind on foxfooty in condemning adam.

you think a former captain of the club who played a long time with adam would have at least afforded goodsey the respect of saying **** all.

I think he pissed off a few former team mates as well.

I understand he is now a paid pundit but show some respect Hall.
apparently hall said goodes dance was too "confronting"
 

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So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.
So when the Swans boo'd Franklin all night in Sydney in 2012, what percentage of them were racist?
 

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i feel like ive learn very little

apart from your world view its seems acceptable to boo white people but perhaps not some black - due to some strange form of " provide cover for racism. " reasoning

still cant quite get my head around it im afraid
Again, that's not my world view. I've said nothing like that.
Well then I guess everyone should just stay home all day everyday. Every action has unintended consequences if you're going to go there
There's a lot of middle ground between "doing whatever you want without thinking about it" and "not doing anything".
 
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I am going to watch some Footy now. Can you someone please post a list of the players that I am ALLOWED to dislike. I am white and American but of Cuban descent, so please put those vital statistics into the PC PC (politically correct, personal computer) and let me know which players I am allowed to dislike without the fear of being accused of being a racist or providing "cover" for racists. I didn't know before today that I was racist for disliking Goodes, but now that I know, I must stop liking Buddy, Jetta (teammates, no less), Betts (still rankles me that he isn't with Carlton, we could sure use him)' Rioli etc... Those guys were among the opposing players that I most liked and enjoyed watching their tremendous skill. But wait, if this also means that I have to start liking Stevie J because he is the "right" skin tone then that is a deal-breaker.
 

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Why did you include a photo of a Port Adelaide player sliding in at Goodes with his studs up and a photo of Goodes running towards a ball?
Whasamaye?

Goodes was rubbed out for a week for the first one for Rough Conduct (sliding in knees first to a guy with his head over the ball.

The one with him running is a snip from the video of him sliding into Gibsons legs - knees first again - while Gibbo was chasing the ball.

Gibson missed a few weeks. Lucky not more.

Goodes got off without a citation.

Perhaps learn your history?
 

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you may wanna rewind the tape
No, I know what I've said and I've already explained to you once that I don't think "booing white = okay, booing black = bad". For you to try and push it again means you're either stupid, given I've repeatedly explained it or attempting to deliberately misconstrue what I'm saying. Neither would be particularly surprising at this point.
So when the Swans boo'd Franklin all night in Sydney in 2012, what percentage of them were racist?
well, leaving aside the fact that I was there and he wasn't being booed all night, I'm unsure. Undoubtedly there would have gotten involved and relished it due to underlying racism.
 
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