Play Nice Adam Goodes

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and the other Aboriginal players in the competition don't seem to have a problem with what Goodes did. Rioli tweeted his support for it as well.
I won't be half surprised if there is another celebration similar to it in the coming games.

If he came up to me doing that war dance he'd end up in hospital. I don't give a **** what race you are, you act in an agressive, obnoxious manner like that and you deserve anything that comes your way.
This is my favourite comment in the entire thread. Just, just the sheer stupidity is something to behold.
 

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He just said in the pre game interview on Fox Footy "the dance is intended directly at your opposition. It means here I stand, take me as I am"
 

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Reminded me of this
and thats not a bad thing
A bit different in that it's common for rugby league players of all races to do wacky try celebrations and GI's goanna try celebration isn't an aggressive move aimed at opposition supporters, it's more done for a laugh than anything else.

Plus it looks awesome.

He just said in the pre game interview on Fox Footy "the dance is intended directly at your opposition. It means here I stand, take me as I am"
His opposition is the Carlton players though, not their supporters.
 

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About as threatening as child calling a grown man a name.
Do you believe that when Adam turned toward the sound of "Ape!" he instinctively knew it was a 13 year old girl and decided to victimise her? Surely he just turned and pointed towardd the sound of a racist comment - he didn't have time to judge the age, context and reason behind what the girl said. I despise the rewritten narrative that he picked on a poor young girl. He heard a racist term and pointed it out.
 

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So, to summarise, your views are exactly the same as the strawman that you claim was being forced upon you?
Your strawman argument ...

"Why are you and David King empowered with the right to decide when Indigenous people can celebrate their culture?"

Loaded with emotive deviations from what was actually posted, which is of course, what makes a strawman argument what it is. Mostly this is done by those resistant to honestly appraising the actual points raised. So let's break it down to see what you disagree with exactly ...

1. The appropriateness of a players' onfield actions are open to debate from the wider football community. Yes or no.
2. Players carry diverse responsibilities when competing on an AFL playing field. Yes or no.
3. A players opinion of their onfield actions is not the only one that matters. Yes or no.
4. Various stakeholders have a right to hold an opinion on a players' onfield action. Yes or no.
5. The weight of these various opinions is a subjective matter. Yes or no.

Just simple yes or no answers will suffice, lest I am confronted by further contortions.
 

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Why would that be a big deal? You're 30+ meters away anyway, why would it have to be stopped?
The crowd themselves (the Kiwi contingent) did one before the 2011 NRL Grand final, led by a Maori on the field - neither of the teams were out there and it was absolutely fantastic. So yeah, no reason at all for it to be stopped - it's a great part of their culture. Also had a touring NZ side do it to our entire school at assembly. Seems some people are a little precious.
 

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Yep. I have no problem with people thinking it was twattish - that's their view, and lots and lots of people have criticised past goal celebrations from players like Riewoldt, Akermanis, Brad Green etc. I don't agree, but I'm not going to argue that.

But to call it aggressive is just ridiculous. Well, I mean the whole point of it is to be aggressive and intimidate, but there's a difference between being 'aggressive' and being a legitimate threat.
I still remember Warren Tredrae's "Thierry Henry" celebration that was widely criticised.
 

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dancing and war dont make sense to me what a show pony , 3 scarlton supporters in the crowd I bet they were doing their own spear shaking back at him like troking a spear on their forehead
 

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Do you believe that when Adam turned toward the sound of "Ape!" he instinctively knew it was a 13 year old girl and decided to victimise her? Surely he just turned and pointed towardd the sound of a racist comment - he didn't have time to judge the age, context and reason behind what the girl said. I despise the rewritten narrative that he picked on a poor young girl. He heard a racist term and pointed it out.
How was the comment racist?
 

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With healthcare while there are a few who want to work out there in those conditions a lot are sent while they are trying to get jobs back in more comfortable areas. So they aren't committed to long term outcomes. It's part of the reason to try and get medical students from rural/ remote areas as they are more likely to work in those areas.

Myself I have no intention of going to work in the outback because the work is too challenging.
True about the fact that they're trying to get rural kids to fill health care demands in rural regions.

When I did the UMAT 5 years back, I couldn't believe how higher ranking an urban student needed to get an interview at Monash. It was something like 90. Whereas, I've heard stories of regional kids getting as low as 50 and getting into the course.
 

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You're a flog mate
Because I'm right? The overall consensus is that people are not a fan of Goodes. The more he sooks the more he invites the booing. It's quite obvious he loves the attention, the fact that he plans these things in advance, he's screaming for attention to launch another opinion that benefits his "I'm a hero" agenda.

I don't doubt there are racist people or "passive racists" who join in the booing, but it's not why he is booed for the most part. I'll leave on that note, he is a flog, the majority have spoken. The majority unfortunately does carry some idiots along who may discredit them at times but mostly, Goodes is just a campaigner.
 

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Assimilate or pipe down

Goodes' treatment will be looked back on shamefully.

Actually scratch that, people will just pretend it never happened because it isn't pleasant to think about.
 

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A child called a footballer a name and it's the end of the world. A footballer waves an imaginary spear at opposition supporters and it's great because it's 'cultural'.

Either way it's all about Adam.
I will take that as a yes.
Read up, not holding my breath on it changing anything however..

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...m-goodes-so-much/story-e6frg6z6-1226654803999

https://richardleonard.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/why-ape-is-offensive/

http://theconversation.com/the-ape-insult-a-short-history-of-a-racist-idea-14808
 

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Against my better judgement. Apologies in advance.

Adam Goodes is a complicated case study. And yet, I still arrive at the conclusion that he is disliked/resented because he is outspoken about indigenous affairs and on casual racism. I see plenty of people say “I don’t boo him because I’m racist – I don’t boo (indigenous player X, Y, Z) – I boo him because he’s a tosser” or some variant – which explains nothing and in fact inverts the answer back to the question, why is Goodes disliked?
Been done to death, fairly dirty player treated like he's one of the cleanest in the game, with a heavy dose of sanctimony.
And of course, it’s not because Goodes is indigenous, in isolation. It’s because he’s an indigenous man with a voice and profile that he is unapologetic in using.
Making a generalisation here with a touch of strawman.
So he does a 5 second tribal dance and social media erupts. But it IS indigenous round, isn’t it? And Adam Goodes is an ambassador for indigenous people. And what exactly are people offended by? That it was directed towards Carlton supporters? (well if that’s the case its another tick from me!) Because it was a proud and anabashed tribute to his heritage?
Carlton supporters when the game had been decided in the first quarter, at an away game to see a team that's been beaten from pillar to post all season and have already sacked their coach. That'll show them.
The Drum in article last week rightly noted that football fans resent footballers using the game as a platform for anything political – they prefer their players to be oafish. Consider the popularity (still) of guys like Brendan Fevola, or Gary Ablett Sr. or Wayne Carey – the list goes on.
Tossers the lot of them, nice examples...
Of course, footballers these days are discouraged from having any personality at all – unless involves abstract bogan-wit like Nik Cummins.
Who?
It’s interesting that Australian’s are given carte blanche in expressing their patriotism – “lest we forget” – wearing flags as capes and consuming large quantities of beer.
More tossers.
It’s Billy Brownless or Bob Hawke skolling a pint at the cricket. Any expression outside very narrow anglo parameters is looked on with some suspicion – like, who does this self-absorbed narcissist think he is making it all about him?
They didn't jump on the field and do it centre stage did they? Did they wait til they scored their ton to do it for the camera?
Take this one of many images circulating social media about Goodes.




The digital age of “memes” have created a culture, I believe, that dilutes argument about complex issues through infantile selective soundbites under the guise of humour (It’s probably just one rung below tabloid journalism). It is definitely leading people to think less critically. Never mind Goodes' tireless and ongoing work with Aboriginal communities and charities or simply that his football exploits inspire to achieve – that isn’t funny, it contradicts people's strongly held prejudices against him and would take more than two seconds to think about.
Idiotic, simplistic joke by some moron that is obviously reflective of everyone in Australia overlooking Goodes' good work.
And it shows where a lot of the animosity towards Goodes lies. Admittedly, the singling out of a girl (who happened to be 13) last year in front of national television was not ideal, nor was it planned. Goodes simply heard to comment and reacting, pointed to the direction it came from.

From there, what is Goodes supposed to do? He is an icon for indigenous people so he can’t very well say – “well she’s 13, I guess we can let it slide” – the girl probably didn’t know the term “ape” had racist connotations.
No, you're right, best to go with the full court press and "Racism has a face. It's a 13-year-old girl."
But I suppose if we’re trying to achieve anything near racial equality, it has to start from the ground-up. It’s very unfortunate a young girl had to be made example of in such a public manner – but you might argue the public exposure of the incident might raise more awareness about it.
Quick, throw another kid on the fire, we've gotta do this properly.
I know, in my experience growing up, casual racism starts in the school playground (where there are often no indigenous children around to challenge the stereotypes) – it filters through the various channels becomes embedded in their psyche that indigenous persons are different, they are the butt of crude jokes.
Fair. It's a big discussion, but fair.
Goodes will attract attention no matter what he does – whether he dances, or not. Whether he gets a suspension or a reprimand. He is one of premier players in the game, an ambassador for Indigenous affairs, and in my opinion deserving AOTY winner. If you take issue with him you should review some of the other winners from previous years, with much less claim to the award than him.
Fair.
We need to turn our focus (and outrage) to the people who are ensuring ongoing racial prejudice by ensuring they remain impoverished – i.e. the current government
Can you please tell us a bit about those who are going out of their way to ensure 'they' remain impoverished. Like actual examples?
While there can be massive disagreements on how any problem should be tackled, I would be surprised if there is some government bogeyman actively trying to keep people down. "If we take these measures we can keep these filthy campaigners in their place." I'm not sure.
 

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