Play Nice Adam Goodes

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Will do with the self-research.

Life expectancy is definitely an issue. However I don't understand how that is an aboriginal rights issue.

If it's to do with healthcare, I always thought there were government programs where med graduates were relocated to those communities (could be wrong on that though). Sort of like an internship.

I think life expectancy is more due to drug/alcohol/violence abuse problems in those communities. In that case, I don't think it's so much an aboriginal rights issue, but more of a cultural modification issue for those communities.
You seem like you have a handle on these things. Why not put up your hand and help out?
 

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How was the comment racist?
If you're an aboriginal or African-American, you are fair enough to assume that when someone shouts "Ape!" at you, they're doing so for racist reasons. Maybe the girl in question didn't mean it in that way but how was Goodes to know that? This is what I hate - where people assume he knew she was a young girl and was not using the word in the way it's been historically used against dark-skinned people. He instinctively turned and pointed to what he fairly assumed to be a racist comment aimed at him. People who think he had time to stop, identify the girl's age and context of the comment/motives behind it are being historically ignorant and insensitive, in my opinion.
 

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So an aggressive war cry actually means "oh hi, let's be friends"?
If he did that sort of war cry unannounced charging at an opposition player waving his fists around, they may think he is going to attack them so you couldn't blame them if they tried to protect themselves by decking him.

That's the problem with doing that sort of thing spontaneously during a game, Goodes might intend it to just be a war cry celebrating a goal but not everyone else knows that.

That's why I said something like that should be done before the game where the opposition players are forewarned about it like the All Blacks haka, that way there are no misunderstandings with what he's doing and no problems occur with people retaliating.
 

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It shows how institutionalized racism has been in Australia.

And trust me. The architects of that policy didn't considered themselves racist. They just thought the Chinese were a little dirty and cheated.
Typical armchair Sydney know all. Racism is a complicated issue and stats do not tell all the story. Sure there are some pure racists out there and they come from all walks of life including indigenous people (and I have seen incidences of these people shouting racial abuse at people from a broad range of countries. As an employer I have also had to intervene when instances of racism did crop up but in some of those instances there had been precedents which in some way did bring a level of understanding to why they occurred. This issue is far too complicated to be dealt with in this type of forum and there is nothing to be gained by standing on ones high horse declaring everyone is a racist because they don't agree with Adam Goodes. Try living in country towns in the NT and WA and you may see just how complicated the issue gets.
 

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So he's challenging people to have a go?

Yeah, nothing provocative there...
The new benchmark for AFL. People and families go to the games to watch the footy and enjoy the night or day with their friends or kids or significant other. Only to be ridiculed and told to "fu*k off" by an ancient war tribe dance.

Ladies and gentleman. I am done.
 

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What if Lewis Jetta did the dance instead of Goodes? Everyone would of thought it was awesome and moved on.
Goodes polarise people because he brings politics into football.
I don't care that he is aboriginal at all. I just don't like the bloke. Being Aboriginal has nothing to do with that.
I didn't like Kouta. I didn't not like him because he is Greek. Same applies to Goodes.

IMO poeple don't like him because he brings politics into AFL and he is a drama queen.
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I know racism is an issue, but I don't see other indigenous players reacting in such ways. He has put himself on a level which he simply shouldn't be on. He almost thrives on the attention now, which the issue shouldn't be about. Surely all the talk being about his actions is not what he set out to achieve, putting important issues in the background.
I wonder if he is thriving or wether he just felt compelled to stand up and be counted.

Nelson Mandela is a household name, but he never chose fame. He just recognized injustice and made a stand.

Why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt and have a look at all the amazing work he does behind the scenes.
 

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The new benchmark for AFL. People and families go to the games to watch the footy and enjoy the night or day with their friends or kids or significant other. Only to be ridiculed and told to "fu*k off" by an ancient war tribe dance.

Ladies and gentleman. I am done.
Good, you're too precious to stay around here.
 

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Not being allowed to be offensive is a chore?

Some people go to the footy to enjoy the game, not watch a bunch of boorish idiots yell rubbish from behind a fence.
See this is the problem. People like you automatically think you cannot bag the opposition without resorting to racism or poor taste.

The vast majority do not but all seem to get labeled as such. I knew when I posted there would be a few self righteous types who would jump to conclusions. Congrats you won the prize.
 

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See this is the problem. People like you automatically think you cannot bag the opposition without resorting to racism or poor taste.

The vast majority do not but all seem to get labeled as such. I knew when I posted there would be a few self righteous types who would jump to conclusions. Congrats you won the prize.
I said nothing of racism, I said I don't go to football to watch a bunch of boorish idiots. Whether the comment is racist or just plain offensive (f***ing soft cock, or the like) or simply childish (grown men booing), it's pathetic. As are people who think it's part and parcel of the game.
 
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Do you believe that when Adam turned toward the sound of "Ape!" he instinctively knew it was a 13 year old girl and decided to victimise her? Surely he just turned and pointed towardd the sound of a racist comment - he didn't have time to judge the age, context and reason behind what the girl said. I despise the rewritten narrative that he picked on a poor young girl. He heard a racist term and pointed it out.
He stood there for several seconds pointing at the child and gesturing for the burly security guards to come over and take her away. At which point do you think he felt threatened?
 

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What if Lewis Jetta did the dance instead of Goodes? Everyone would of thought it was awesome and moved on.
Goodes polarise people because he brings politics into football.
I don't care that he is aboriginal at all. I just don't like the bloke. Being Aboriginal has nothing to do with that.
I didn't like Kouta. I didn't not like him because he is Greek. Same applies to Goodes.

IMO poeple don't like him because he brings politics into AFL and he is a drama queen.
End of story.
Everyone would applaud Lewis Jetta because he doesn't shove opinions down our throats.
 
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