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Analysis Adam Kelly is a fraud
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So you'd prefer to spend other assets to move up the draft rather than get reasonable value for existing assets in the first place. That's an interesting take.
List Management is Roo, Reid, Nicks, Kelly, Fagan, Ogilvie and the accountant. The decision on exiting Brouch is a group decision and it could have been ordered by Admin. Reid has been doing our negotiations but perhaps Kelly, like Noble did as head of footy, wants to do the negotiation. He does have a Harvard certificate for it after all. Ultimately, they're all to blame.
Kelly has never worked in an AFL footy dept or negotiated a player trade before. Plenty of people have more relevant experience in this aspect of his gig than him.
Nothing was open last time I was there in winter. Sweet as in summer though.
So we know the Crows stuffed this up...we need to ask ourselves with the benefit of hindsight what could they have done differently?
Firstly I know our negotiating tactic was not to make Crouch an offer all year but rather wait to see what 'the market said'. We obviously were trying to use this as a way to either maximise compo (pick 2) or not overpay (i.e. we match the bid and keep the player).
What actually happened was that 'the market' - in this case the Saints - used our reticence to take the first step and used it against us with the complicated incentive/trigger structure of the deal which they knew would not yield Band 1 compo but which would be hard (by reason of length of deal) for us to match.
Secondly we (somewhat understandably) took a binary position when it came to the preferred length of deal (five years) - and simply said "No" under any circumstances. The question we should have been asking ourselves was "Under what circumstances would we give Brad five years?" and then we could have structured an offer around that.
So to take those two points and then integrate them we could have put forward an offer of, say, 3 years at $750K (which we know is Band 1 compo per Daniher deal) plus a very challenging option/trigger for a 4th year (e.g. play minimum of 60 games and top 5 in B&F in first 3 years) on middling money (e.g. $500K p.a.) plus a second trigger for a 5th year at the same $500K rate (e.g. play minimum of 20 games in year 4).
That way we're putting forward an offer such that (i) it gives Brad what he says he wants - a long term deal (ii) if someone else beats it we know we get Band 1 compo and (iii) we are protected against our perceived key issue of Brad's durability by making the triggers themselves hedge the risk of durability.
Surely the Crows could have role-played out the scenario that actually happened and seen what their weakness was and tried to mitigate it...just seems amateurish in the extreme.
Firstly I know our negotiating tactic was not to make Crouch an offer all year but rather wait to see what 'the market said'. We obviously were trying to use this as a way to either maximise compo (pick 2) or not overpay (i.e. we match the bid and keep the player).
What actually happened was that 'the market' - in this case the Saints - used our reticence to take the first step and used it against us with the complicated incentive/trigger structure of the deal which they knew would not yield Band 1 compo but which would be hard (by reason of length of deal) for us to match.
Secondly we (somewhat understandably) took a binary position when it came to the preferred length of deal (five years) - and simply said "No" under any circumstances. The question we should have been asking ourselves was "Under what circumstances would we give Brad five years?" and then we could have structured an offer around that.
So to take those two points and then integrate them we could have put forward an offer of, say, 3 years at $750K (which we know is Band 1 compo per Daniher deal) plus a very challenging option/trigger for a 4th year (e.g. play minimum of 60 games and top 5 in B&F in first 3 years) on middling money (e.g. $500K p.a.) plus a second trigger for a 5th year at the same $500K rate (e.g. play minimum of 20 games in year 4).
That way we're putting forward an offer such that (i) it gives Brad what he says he wants - a long term deal (ii) if someone else beats it we know we get Band 1 compo and (iii) we are protected against our perceived key issue of Brad's durability by making the triggers themselves hedge the risk of durability.
Surely the Crows could have role-played out the scenario that actually happened and seen what their weakness was and tried to mitigate it...just seems amateurish in the extreme.
Probably. Equivalent at least. Have you seen his linked in profile. He has general business management experience, but running an AFL footy dept is a very specific role. He's been tasked with effectively building ours up from scratch and he'd never worked in one before. We didn't try to get Balme for the shits and giggles.
Band 1, not pick 2.
Yes, I know that. I thought Bicks seemed to imply Brad was worth pick 10 in an open market, sorry if I misread that. As I said, I think pick 15ish was his true worth.
Do these AFL guys have amnesia or somethin?
Can you go back to them and ask them how they came to this conclusion? In light of say, Tim Kelly deal, Lachie Neal deal, even Jake Lever for 10 for us. Brad's worth less than Lever?????????????????????????????????? When did players all of a sudden become so unvaluable in draft picks? Seems it is mostly just Adl players and in particular Brad that magically didn't have any value.
Kelly isn’t qualified to do what he does
he’s been in football admin his whole career, not footy ops like he is now in charge of
So the AFC appointed him knowing he's not qualified to do the role??!!
Same people appointed Burton. Like the exact same.
You forgot his country racing admin role.
Really bad start for Kelly, made to look like a fool in front of the whole AFL community. We’ve all effed up starting a new job, so I’m still willing to give him a go.
But surely he needs to never open his mouth unless he is 100% sure on what he’s saying.
But surely he needs to never open his mouth unless he is 100% sure on what he’s saying.
Was it a trick question?
People think this is all Kelly.
You dont think he had a hand up his arse moving his mouth??
You dont think he had a hand up his arse moving his mouth??
I have 1 question. Where in the hell was Fagan? This has his grubby paws all over it. What I see is the exact same MO for both Dangerfield and now Crouch. Roll over to get a deal done.
This time is when we should have matched and if no trade, into the ND he goes. Fagan heads that committee courtesy of being the CEO. Everything goes through him.
Poor Kelly the newbie gets tossed to the wolves and screws up. Why wasn't Reid answering the questions if Fagan MIA. Noble was the List Manager when the PD deal done. I don't think Kelly is a fraud just made a very bad rookie mistake.
The real culprit in all of this is Gary Winter, he screwed Brad over. Lousy advice. Should have signed that 3 year deal and told Brad play well and I'll get you a 2 year extension next year. No...he shops Brad around late last year and doesn't find a taker this year. P*ss poor effort.
Brad listens and decides on the club with the least amount of ammo for the Crows to trade with. Way to look after the club that has looked after and nurtured him for 8 years. Again p*ss weak effort.
This has been a colossal screw up by all parties involved apart from the Saints. They played it beautifully.
This time is when we should have matched and if no trade, into the ND he goes. Fagan heads that committee courtesy of being the CEO. Everything goes through him.
Poor Kelly the newbie gets tossed to the wolves and screws up. Why wasn't Reid answering the questions if Fagan MIA. Noble was the List Manager when the PD deal done. I don't think Kelly is a fraud just made a very bad rookie mistake.
The real culprit in all of this is Gary Winter, he screwed Brad over. Lousy advice. Should have signed that 3 year deal and told Brad play well and I'll get you a 2 year extension next year. No...he shops Brad around late last year and doesn't find a taker this year. P*ss poor effort.
Brad listens and decides on the club with the least amount of ammo for the Crows to trade with. Way to look after the club that has looked after and nurtured him for 8 years. Again p*ss weak effort.
This has been a colossal screw up by all parties involved apart from the Saints. They played it beautifully.
Mate, it's not good news, why would you expect Fagan to be anywhere near it?
So So true. He's the real fraud.
Where's the club announcement regarding Smart and what that means regarding our very important esports division?
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