Traded Adam Saad [traded to Carlton with #48 and #78 for #8 and #87]

[zeggie]

Sick post man.
How many players have you walked to the PSD in the past 5 minutes.
Could be a bargain coming!!!!

You're forgetting the fact that

1. We'd walk him to the ND not the PSD, push come to shove.
2. Consider why specific teams passed on Martin
3. Saad is uncontracted. Suck it up buttercup.

 

[Brutalitops]

Sick post man.
How many players have you walked to the PSD in the past 5 minutes.
Could be a bargain coming!!!!

Dodoro has walked three himself from Essendon. Never bothered to redraft them.

 

[FrankGrimes]

You're forgetting the fact that

1. We'd walk him to the ND not the PSD, push come to shove.
2. Consider why specific teams passed on Martin
3. Saad is uncontracted. Suck it up buttercup.

Is he eligible for the nd? Serious question.
Will you use pick 27?

 

[SherbertLemon]

You're forgetting the fact that

1. We'd walk him to the ND not the PSD, push come to shove.
2. Consider why specific teams passed on Martin
3. Saad is uncontracted. Suck it up buttercup.

Two genuine questions,
1. Can Saad elect his salary in the ND?
2. If he isn’t worth pick 7 why would you draft him with this pick?

 

[zeggie]

Two genuine questions,
1. Can Saad elect his salary in the ND?
2. If he isn’t worth pick 7 why would you draft him with this pick?

1. Yes. Read the AFL Rules 2020. Rule 6.2.
2. Why give you pick 7 and boost your currency, when we could draft him for pick 7 and you get nothing?

 

[SherbertLemon]

1. Yes. Read the AFL Rules 2020.
2. Why give you pick 7 and boost your currency, when we could draft him for pick 7 and you get nothing?

That was a genuine question, cool your jets Fido.
I get that. But you still give up a high pick for him.

 

[zeggie]

That was a genuine question, cool your jets Fido.
I get that. But you still give up a high pick for him.

All cool. It was a genuine answer.

If the price is pick 7 I can't imagine why we don't just head to the draft. We're competing teams. Why strengthen your team if we don't have to?

 

[SherbertLemon]

All cool. It was a genuine answer.

If the price is pick 7 I can't imagine why we don't just head to the draft. We're competing teams. Why strengthen your team if we don't have to?

Agreed, can’t argue with that.
Don’t really understand why the AFL would allow that, but whatever.

Would you guys be happy with spending pick 7?

 

[zeggie]

Agreed, can’t argue with that.
Don’t really understand why the AFL would allow that, but whatever.

Would you guys be happy with spending pick 7?

No. But he's the player we want, and he wants us, and if the price is apparently that (according to this thread), then better off using it in the draft than via trade.

 

[JayJ20]

If Dodoro spins his tyres too much re. Saad/Daniher, they will either have to trade someone else out in order to get Caldwell or risk their reputation of "not getting deals done and nobody will want to nominate them moving forward". I've heard that's really relevant...

Given the other logic applied in this thread, whatever is received for Saad will have to go to GWS. Caldwell is reported to have been offered 5 x $500k. Because there is an absolute and clear link between salary and trade price, they will on-trade it to GWS straight away, maybe with a 4th rounder coming back because Saad is on a bit more.

No. If we get 16 and 17 from Brisbane, one of them will go to GWS for Caldwell. We don't need to do Saad's trade to get that done. FA period starts before trade period so we'll have a fair idea of what's happening.

Saad is an established player in his prime. Caldwell only played 11 games. Big difference.

You either split 7 for two picks and give us a mid first or you trade pick 7 and we give you a second back or something to that effect.

 

[Bad Seed]

I think he was sold a dream that didn't exist. Essendon are practically nearly rebuild bound now. Don't blame him for not wanting to stick around. He wants success.

And yet he chose Carlton. I smell a rat.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

No. If we get 16 and 17 from Brisbane, one of them will go to GWS for Caldwell. We don't need to do Saad's trade to get that done. FA period starts before trade period so we'll have a fair idea of what's happening.

Saad is an established player in his prime. Caldwell only played 11 games. Big difference.

You either split 7 for two picks and give us a mid first or you trade pick 7 and we give you a second back or something to that effect.

Do you honestly believe that Saad is worth the same as Caldwell?

So with that reasoning, if your genius list manager is demanding pick 7 and Walsh for Saad, then strap yourself in to part with pick 6 and Merrett for Caldwell.

Can't have it both ways now, can you?

 

[SherbertLemon]

Do you honestly believe that Saad is worth the same as Caldwell?

So with that reasoning, if your genius list manager is demanding pick 7 and Walsh for Saad, then strap yourself in to part with pick 6 and Merrett for Caldwell.

Can't have it both ways now, can you?

Wait where did he suggest that they’re worth the same?
Did his post not state that there’s a clear body of evidence Saad is an elite HBF while Caldwell is an injury prone player that’s played 11 games? (Who I do not want)

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Wait where did he suggest that they’re worth the same?
Did his post not state that there’s a clear body of evidence Saad is an elite HBF while Caldwell is an injury prone player that’s played 11 games? (Who I do not want)

He stated mid to late 1st round picks for either I believe.

 

[JayJ20]

Do you honestly believe that Saad is worth the same as Caldwell?

So with that reasoning, if your genius list manager is demanding pick 7 and Walsh for Saad, then strap yourself in to part with pick 6 and Merrett for Caldwell.

Can't have it both ways now, can you?

Saad is worth more than Caldwell. That's without a question.

 

[dumdum]

i would think Caldwell be worth a Pick 2

 

[FairKouta]

Saad is worth more than Caldwell. That's without a question.

He is worth a bit more but isn’t that far off.
If saad is worth pick 14 cadwell is worth pick 19

 

[eastfreo75]

Saad is worth more than Caldwell. That's without a question.

No age difference

 

[TheKITC]

Wait where did he suggest that they’re worth the same?
Did his post not state that there’s a clear body of evidence Saad is an elite HBF while Caldwell is an injury prone player that’s played 11 games? (Who I do not want)

Go back and look at this thread. A significant portion of Essendon supporters have been stomping their feet and claiming that because Carlton have offered Saad 5 x $600k (the same as Essendon) they must rate him highly and need to pay up - even overs (lol), at the trade table. Despite there being no correlation at all between salary and trade value, that's what has been vehemently argued ad nauseum.

Because it has been reported that Caldwell has been offered 5 x $500k, it is not unreasonable that the same logic needs to be applied to Essendon, but of course with some it doesn't. Therefore, what is received for Saad will have be passed on for Caldwell, because they are roughly being offered the same contract and must be worth the same in trade capital, because that's the rule right? It's dumb.

What we are doing is highlighting how stupid it is to say "Ohh well team x is offering player y $xxx so they absolutely need to pay 2 x first rounders". It's a stupid and unfounded thing that people conflate as if they have some correlation, when they really do not.

 

[eth-dog]

How do you come to this conclusion?

FACTS
Both offered $600-$650,000 x 5 Years,
One... Caldwell is a 20yo midfielder who hasn't hit his peak.
Two... Saad is a 26yo HBFer that has hit his peak and has runs on the board

CONCLUSION
One... your trying to buy into Essendon so you all value him at rock bottom
Two... your trying to sell so he must be worth Pick 7

Please enlighten us all, why Saad is worth more than Caldwell?

Factually incorrect

 

[TheKITC]

How do you come to this conclusion?

FACTS
Both offered $600-$650,000 x 5 Years,
One... Caldwell is a 20yo midfielder who hasn't hit his peak.
Two... Saad is a 26yo HBFer that has hit his peak and has runs on the board

CONCLUSION
One... your trying to buy into Essendon so you all value him at rock bottom
Two... your trying to sell so he must be worth Pick 7

Please enlighten us all, why Saad is worth more than Caldwell?

I get the point you are trying to make and agree with the highlighting of the hypocrisy of some, but those are really not facts.

Saad is reportedly going to be on 5 x $600k (as high as $650k, as low as $550k) and Caldwell 5 x $500k (The Age went with 3 years and a trigger, but most outlets are saying 5 years). Important to distinguish facts from 'educated' media reporting.

 

[JayJ20]

Considering we want Josh Dunkley

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20.7

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7.0

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13.7

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and Carlton want Oliver, I think this one should be done fairly quickly so that we have the currency to make an offer.

 

[eth-dog]

So your reasoning that Saad is worth more than Caldwell is $50,000 discrepancy in wage?

Well it's 100k but you stated that it was a fact that we offered 600k.

 

[Malifice]

Restraint of trade would be excluding him from the AFL competition and preventing him from trading his labour for money (earning a wage).

Not necessarily. It could also be a restraint of trade to prohibit a player from working for a specific employer of his choosing (a specific club) or in a specific State.

Restraint of Trade laws in Australia are very favoured towards the employee. Sporting codes have long relied on voluntary participation by their employees (athletes) and flexibility by clubs (to basically let the player go to their club of choice) in order to escape some potentially damaging legal claims.

That said the Courts do recognise that there can be legitimate restraints placed on a person to engage in their profession (and specifically in relation to sporting codes like drafts etc).

That said, if a club played silly buggers and redrafted or drafted a player in a draft that did not want to be there, it could get messy for the AFL. Thats why most (all) players who go into the draft or PSD wind up at their club of choice.

 

[Brutalitops]

Considering we want Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Carlton want Oliver, I think this one should be done fairly quickly so that we have the currency to make an offer.

Word is now is that we already have an in principle agreement. Wonder what the particulars are.