Confirmed Adam Treloar [traded w/ #28 to Collingwood for #7, #65, 2016 first rounder]

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Sure. While I'm at it, I'll mention that Beams averaged close to 6 clearances too.

And yes, saying he's worth two first round picks is implying he's worth more than Beams. Talk to most neutral supporters and at the time of the trade the consensus was that a first, second, and steak knives was either fair value or overs for Beams.
No it wasn't... Not by a long shot.
 

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So in other words, three top 10 picks. That's nonsense. I really like Treloar, but he ain't Chris Judd.
So you disagree Treloar if in the national draft would go at number one? Your kidding yourself if you think differently.

In this draft there appears to be a designated top 3 with the quality dropping pretty much after about pick 8. What club gives up the number one draft pick for a pick 7 - 10 and a second round draft pick or even for your first round draft picks this year and next, collingwood's pick next year is likely to be substantially worse as they are a good young team.

Unlike Dayne Beams who collingwood wanted very much out the door, together with coming off a season where he barely played GWS clearly, wants to keep Treloar. Beams had already played his best football at collingwood most of the football world realised that, so the question that needs to be asked is why did the side that is likely to get the spoon this year give up so much for a player that had nominated their club. Those are the sorts of trades, that is overpaying, are the sort of trade you would expect from a club like Hawthorn wanting to fill the missing piece to win a premiership.

The Beams trade, together with the trades Brisbane did the previous year with st kilda have absolutely gutted them.
 

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So you disagree Treloar if in the national draft would go at number one? Your kidding yourself if you think differently.

In this draft there appears to be a designated top 3 with the quality dropping pretty much after about pick 8. What club gives up the number one draft pick for a pick 7 - 10 and a second round draft pick or even for your first round draft picks this year and next, collingwood's pick next year is likely to be substantially worse as they are a good young team.

Unlike Dayne Beams who collingwood wanted very much out the door, together with coming off a season where he barely played GWS clearly, wants to keep Treloar. Beams had already played his best football at collingwood most of the football world realised that, so the question that needs to be asked is why did the side that is likely to get the spoon this year give up so much for a player that had nominated their club. Those are the sorts of trades, that is overpaying, are the sort of trade you would expect from a club like Hawthorn wanting to fill the missing piece to win a premiership.

The Beams trade, together with the trades Brisbane did the previous year with st kilda have absolutely gutted them.
Just stop talking please. Everything you've written is complete nonsense.
 
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The Judd trade picks 3, 20 and Kennedy (a number 4 pick in the 2005 draft). Most football observers will tell you Judd played his best football at west coast when he had his electrifying speed. So Judd's worth was 2 top 5 picks plus an early second round pick.

The last trade of an early drat pick was melbourne trading pick 2, in return they got pick 9 and Tyson (pick 3 in the 2011 draft).

Treloar with 76 games and just 23 next year, so having served his football apprenticeship and coming into his football prime is worth every bit of two top ten picks in a weak draft and a young player collingwood doesn't want to lose.
 
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Unlike Dayne Beams who collingwood wanted very much out the door,
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What??? That's crazy talk we fought tooth and nail to keep him.

Beams had already played his best football at collingwood most of the football world realised that,
So a 23 year old player has played his best football? More crazy talk.

so the question that needs to be asked is why did the side that is likely to get the spoon this year give up so much for a player that had nominated their club.
What? But Beams was going to make Brisbane the best midfield in the league and definate top 8 contender,
Didn't you know.




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The Judd trade picks 3, 20 and Kennedy (a number 4 pick in the 2005 draft). Most football observers will tell you Judd played his best football at west coast when he had his electrifying speed. So Judd's worth was 2 top 5 picks plus an early second round pick.

The last trade of an early drat pick was melbourne trading pick 2, in return they got pick 9 and Tyson (pick 3 in the 2011 draft).

Treloar with 76 games and just 23 next year, so having served his football apprenticeship and coming into his football prime is worth every bit of two top ten picks in a weak draft and a young player collingwood doesn't want to lose.
You're trying to justify a young player who hasn't even won a best + fairest to have higher currency than a Brownlow medalist and premiership player, who was by far and away the best mid in the league at the time, regardless of age.

Seriously, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
 

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You're trying to justify a young player who hasn't even won a best + fairest to have higher currency than a Brownlow medalist and premiership player, who was by far and away the best mid in the league at the time, regardless of age.

Seriously, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Embarassment is basis of your argument. The amoung of front you've got is stunning.

Do you deny that Treloar if in the draft would not go number one, a young midfielder averaging his disposals.

But yea, that's right that world beater Beams was worth two first round picks plus the opportunity of picking the eyes out of Brisbane's young talent.

You should just stop posting your dishonest garbage your serving up to try and get Treloar well below his worth.
 
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The Beams trade, together with the trades Brisbane did the previous year with st kilda have absolutely gutted them.
To get Beams they had to give up pick 5, De Goey and pick 25 (which we used to acquire Greenwood).

De Goey has been impressive at times this year and looks like he'll be a top quality inside mid.

Greenwood is ready made and came 2nd in the b&f in a side that finished top 4).

Most of all though, Crisp would be in the top 5 of our b&f and at 21 is still improving at a pretty dramatic rates. The fact Brisbane failed to recognize his ability and develop him properly was compounded by the fact they give him away as a set of steak knives. He is pretty much the prototype modern AFL midfielder.

I don't wtf the Bears were thinking tbh. If we win a premiership in the next five years I'm pretty sure that it will be the 2014 trade period which will be talked about as one of its most significant precipitants.
 

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Embarassment is basis of your argument. The amoung of front you've got is stunning.

Do you deny that Treloar if in the draft would not go number one, a young midfielder averaging his disposals.

But yea, that's right that world beater Beams was worth two first round picks plus the opportunity of picking the eyes out of Brisbane's young talent.

You should just stop posting your dishonest garbage your serving up to try and get Treloar well below his worth.
Beams didn't get two first round picks. He got a first, second, and fringe player who had played 6 games for the year and only received that opportunity due to injuries to regular 22 mids. His form this year is irrelevant in context to his worth last year, which was third round at best.

You seem to think that a number 1 pick is the equivalent of 3 first round picks, and you're arguing that Treloar is somehow more valuable than both Beams and Judd, two players whom had achieved a huge amount more in their respective careers than he had at the same age, and when they were traded.

Your logic is twisted, and you can't even seem to get your facts straight in regards to what Beams was actually traded for.

So yeah, as I said. Stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
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I think fair value for treloar is a first and 2nd rounder and a player
Witts and our first rounder will get it done.

Witts is a NSW boy and will at least be a good quality AFL ruck with the possibility he becomes one of the comps best. GWS need a ruck and he'll hit is peak in 2-3 years just when they'll be seriously coming into contention. Pies won't be too unhappy getting rid of him because Grundy has about the same level of talent as Witts and Mason Cox has been really impressive in the magoos so far - so much so that we'll probably be under pressure to give him game time next season.

All in all I think Witts as a ton of ability and I don't paritcularly want to see him go however it's a trade that makes a lot of sense for all parties involved.
 
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The Judd trade picks 3, 20 and Kennedy (a number 4 pick in the 2005 draft). Most football observers will tell you Judd played his best football at west coast when he had his electrifying speed. So Judd's worth was 2 top 5 picks plus an early second round pick.

The last trade of an early drat pick was melbourne trading pick 2, in return they got pick 9 and Tyson (pick 3 in the 2011 draft).

Treloar with 76 games and just 23 next year, so having served his football apprenticeship and coming into his football prime is worth every bit of two top ten picks in a weak draft and a young player collingwood doesn't want to lose.
Football deparment thinking has changed so much the last 10 years that I think it's misguided to rely on the Judd deal as some kind of precedent on player valuation.
 

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Witts and our first rounder will get it done.

Witts is a NSW boy and will at least be a good quality AFL ruck with the possibility he becomes one of the comps best. GWS need a ruck and he'll hit is peak in 2-3 years just when they'll be seriously coming into contention. Pies won't be too unhappy getting rid of him because Grundy has about the same level of talent as Witts and Mason Cox has been really impressive in the magoos so far - so much so that we'll probably be under pressure to give him game time next season.

All in all I think Witts as a ton of ability and I don't paritcularly want to see him go however it's a trade that makes a lot of sense for all parties involved.
i dont think witts is worth a 2nd rounder though. witts is good steak knives though
 

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Gee I wonder who copped the tag and who got to run free? And thanks for using some stats to justify your argument... Feels a bit better doesn't it?
Did I say he's worth more than beams... Or did you guys just get reamed by the lions?
I think both teams walked away happy with that deal, Crisps great form this season playing a big part in it and Degoey looks like he will be a good player in time.
 
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