Confirmed Adam Treloar [traded w/ #28 to Collingwood for #7, #65, 2016 first rounder]

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They have academy kids next year as well
Yep.

They have 2 top 15 this year and a couple of other decent ones in later rounds and looks like 4 top 20-25 next year. They can't go into deficit 2 years running, so they've either got to pay for them all this year or next. Our two first rounders (or anyones) over the next two years would suit them very well for picking up the academy kids.
valid points. see what you mean
 

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IF Tigers want to over-pay then go ahead
TD two first rounders isn't overs for this kid. Just about the best 22 and under going around.

That would be it though. No
Steak knives; just two first rounders.
 
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Collingwoods next two first rounders will be inside Richmond's too. More attractive to GWS.

Just need him to nominate us and deal will get done.

If it's not this Id expect something similar to the Beams deal; which was 1st round (5), 2nd round (25) and steak knives (Crisp).
 
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Collingwoods next two first rounders will be inside Richmond's too. More attractive to GWS.

Just need him to nominate us and deal will get done.

If it's not this Id expect something similar to the Beams deal; which was 1st round (5), 2nd round (25) and steak knives (Crisp).
We don't need players mate. 1st and 2nd this year and 1st next year. Done.
 

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We don't need players mate. 1st and 2nd this year and 1st next year. Done.
Ok. Forget the players. Pies first pick this year will be 7-9ish. If we finish in a similar position next year and we handed that over too you'd have two top 10 picks. That is more than fair for AT;anything more and I think you are being greedy.

The Beams trade provides a benchmark for this one. Beams was prob top 15 mid in the league when he left. You could argue that Treloar would be in that company this year. Beams had put up elite
numbers for a few more years than Treloar to that point.

So if you don't want players maybe 1st, 2nd this year but anything more than 2nd next year (Crisp equivalent) would be too much.
 
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Ok. Forget the players. Pies first pick this year will be 7-9ish. If we finish in a similar position next year and we handed that over too you'd have two top 10 picks. That is more than fair for AT;anything more and I think you are being greedy.

The Beams trade provides a benchmark for this one. Beams was prob top 15 mid in the league when he left. You could argue that Treloar would be in that company this year. Beams had put up elite
numbers for a few more years than Treloar to that point.

So if you don't want players maybe 1st, 2nd this year but anything more than 2nd next year (Crisp equivalent) would be too much.
A lot easier to put elite numbers in a team that is making finals than a team that has 2,1,6 & 11* wins for the years you have been playing for them.
 

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A lot easier to put elite numbers in a team that is making finals than a team that has 2,1,6 & 11* wins for the years you have been playing for them.
Ludicrous.

The assumption that underpins your post is that Beams was somehow enabled in Collingwood's midfield, and was somehow only able to perform to a high standard when sheltered by a strong team. This is not supported by the evidence: in 2014 and 2015, the only years that Dayne Beams has (or will) missed the finals, he's put up numbers that are consistent with his career best form. Further still, he's performed to this elite level in an entirely different midfield and team structure this year. Beams is clearly capable of performing to an elite standard independent of the team he's in, and independent of it's performance.
You've implied in your post that Treloar is capable of performing to an elite standard independent of team performance. Seeing as both can boast of this merit, this does not suggest Treloar is worth more than Beams.

Even if the assumption were valid, the conclusion is not grounded in reality or logic. If a player puts up elite numbers in a team that racks up 3 wins in 44 matches, how valuable was his contribution? Conversely, perhaps a player putting up elite numbers was the reason the team performed so strongly? A cursory glance at raw numbers hides so much.
 
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Ludicrous.

The assumption that underpins your post is that Beams was somehow enabled in Collingwood's midfield, and was somehow only able to perform to a high standard when sheltered by a strong team. This is not supported by the evidence: in 2014 and 2015, the only years that Dayne Beams has (or will) missed the finals, he's put up numbers that are consistent with his career best form. Further still, he's performed to this elite level in an entirely different midfield and team structure this year. Beams is clearly capable of performing to an elite standard independent of the team he's in, and independent of it's performance.
You've implied in your post that Treloar is capable of performing to an elite standard independent of team performance. Seeing as both can boast of this merit, this does not suggest Treloar is worth more than Beams.

Even if the assumption were valid, the conclusion is not grounded in reality or logic. If a player puts up elite numbers in a team that racks up 3 wins in 44 matches, how valuable was his contribution? Conversely, perhaps a player putting up elite numbers was the reason the team performed so strongly? A cursory glance at raw numbers hides so much.
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Ludicrous.

The assumption that underpins your post is that Beams was somehow enabled in Collingwood's midfield, and was somehow only able to perform to a high standard when sheltered by a strong team. This is not supported by the evidence: in 2014 and 2015, the only years that Dayne Beams has (or will) missed the finals, he's put up numbers that are consistent with his career best form. Further still, he's performed to this elite level in an entirely different midfield and team structure this year. Beams is clearly capable of performing to an elite standard independent of the team he's in, and independent of it's performance.
You've implied in your post that Treloar is capable of performing to an elite standard independent of team performance. Seeing as both can boast of this merit, this does not suggest Treloar is worth more than Beams.

Even if the assumption were valid, the conclusion is not grounded in reality or logic. If a player puts up elite numbers in a team that racks up 3 wins in 44 matches, how valuable was his contribution? Conversely, perhaps a player putting up elite numbers was the reason the team performed so strongly? A cursory glance at raw numbers hides so much.
You might want to put down that thesaurus champion.

A cursory glance at footywire will show you that..

In 2012, when Treloar was playing in a team which won 2 games all year, Treloar had on average...More disposals, more kicks, more marks and better efficiency than Beams did in 2010 at the age of 19 in a Premiership winning team.

And he played 7 less games.

And he was an 18 year old.

I guess we will have to wait and see what numbers Treloar racks up when he is three years older (your yardstick for
blowong smoke up Beams' ass this year) and playing in a team that wins the wooden spoon when he turns out for Collingwood in 2018.

And next time, try using paragraphs.
 
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Ludicrous.

The assumption that underpins your post is that Beams was somehow enabled in Collingwood's midfield, and was somehow only able to perform to a high standard when sheltered by a strong team. This is not supported by the evidence: in 2014 and 2015, the only years that Dayne Beams has (or will) missed the finals, he's put up numbers that are consistent with his career best form. Further still, he's performed to this elite level in an entirely different midfield and team structure this year. Beams is clearly capable of performing to an elite standard independent of the team he's in, and independent of it's performance.
You've implied in your post that Treloar is capable of performing to an elite standard independent of team performance. Seeing as both can boast of this merit, this does not suggest Treloar is worth more than Beams.

Even if the assumption were valid, the conclusion is not grounded in reality or logic. If a player puts up elite numbers in a team that racks up 3 wins in 44 matches, how valuable was his contribution? Conversely, perhaps a player putting up elite numbers was the reason the team performed so strongly? A cursory glance at raw numbers hides so much.
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