Confirmed Adam Treloar [traded w/ #28 to Collingwood for #7, #65, 2016 first rounder]

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I agree, it probably will require more.
That is where Scharenberg + Witts come into play. Not that I would trade Scharenberg if I were the Pies. The bloke is a jet, watch him next season. I would trade Witts (not to GWS but to another side e.g. Essendon), then on-trade that pick for Treloar/Hampton.
 

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That is where Scharenberg + Witts come into play. Not that I would trade Scharenberg if I were the Pies. The bloke is a jet, watch him next season. I would trade Witts (not to GWS but to another side e.g. Essendon), then on-trade that pick for Treloar/Hampton.
Scharenberg is irrelevant to the conversation, he will stay at the Pies. I'd be loathe to trade Witts at this stage just to secure Hampton either. He's worth more to us at the pies than Hampton is imo. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
 

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Scharenberg is irrelevant to the conversation, he will stay at the Pies. I'd be loathe to trade Witts at this stage just to secure Hampton either. He's worth more to us at the pies than Hampton is imo. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Well you won't get both for just your two 1st rounders, that is what Treloar is worth alone, and Hampton is easily worth a early-mid 2nd. You will need to create another 2nd rounder from somewhere. Witts would give you that.
 

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I could see it being two first rounders (2015 & 2016 picks) for Treloar and then maybe a swap of steak knives (I.e a swap of fringe players or a swap of a fringe player for a late round (round 3 or 4) draft selection) if either side wants more to the deal.
 

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I could see it being two first rounders (2015 & 2016 picks) for Treloar and then maybe a swap of steak knives (I.e a swap of fringe players or a swap of a fringe player for a late round (round 3 or 4) draft selection) if either side wants more to the deal.
We dont want list cloggers. Rightly or wrongly we have 1st round draft picks and academy players in the Magoos. Why would we want a fringe player to join them?

Picks or stars. There is nothing else.
 

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Well you won't get both for just your two 1st rounders, that is what Treloar is worth alone, and Hampton is easily worth a early-mid 2nd. You will need to create another 2nd rounder from somewhere. Witts would give you that.
We have other avenues to get a second rounder aside from Witts. He's under contract, and the club has made it pretty clear that they want to keep him. They'd only let him go if a great offer came in for him imo.
 

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I could see it being two first rounders (2015 & 2016 picks) for Treloar and then maybe a swap of steak knives (I.e a swap of fringe players or a swap of a fringe player for a late round (round 3 or 4) draft selection) if either side wants more to the deal.
GWS will want picks and picks only. They need the picks for Hopper and Kennedy this year and for that matter their academy selection next year (likely high first round selection)
 

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We have other avenues to get a second rounder aside from Witts. He's under contract, and the club has made it pretty clear that they want to keep him. They'd only let him go if a great offer came in for him imo.
Struggling to see who if you are assuming Scharenberg is off the table (correct call) and Witts. Who are you trading that is 'tradeable' to get those picks? Ben Kennedy won't get that value (although I'd love him at my club).
 

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We dont want list cloggers. Rightly or wrongly we have 1st round draft picks and academy players in the Magoos. Why would we want a fringe player to join them?

Picks or stars. There is nothing else.
I'm not saying they will but if they want more I think it will be steak knives rather than some second major deal. It's all about Treloar, anything else is just an add on, usually to make one side feel better about the equality of a trade, a bit like the Pies throwing in a 4th rounder with Beams to Brisbane.

And don't forget how often it happens that a fringe player for one team fills a need for another or who either breaks through or rejuvenates their career once they move. Look at Crisp and Varcoe this year from the Pies.

If you look at the trade period last year I think a lot of Pies fans were disappointed that we got Varcoe and Crisp and wrote them off as depth players at best (Crisp especially). Now they are easily best 22 players who I think are going to score well in the B&F.
 

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Not a chance in this world i would give up 3 yrs of draft picks for any player, no player is worth that much.
Depends what that 3rd season is, if it is just a 2nd rounder that would be okay. End of the day you could draft for 5 seasons and not get a player like Treloar regardless. I will always take a bloke that I know what he will give rather than a draft pick who could be the next flop.
 

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I'm not sure why people are suggesting Hampton to Collingwood as part of the Treleor deal. While I quite like Hampton and wouldn't mind him at my club, I'm not sure why Collingwood would be interested. Running defenders are probably the one area of the team that they are well and truly set in.
Williams, Langdon, Toovey all seem to be entrenched in the best 22.
Oxley, Maynard, Seedsman have all proven to be capable and have potential at AFL level.
Scharenberg by all reports is an elite talent who just needs some luck with injury.
And these are just the ones I considered to be viable AFL footballers.
Where does Hampton fit?
Trading players isn't like it is in a video game. The other team actually has to want the player you are offering.
 

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Two 1st rounders for treloar and hampton? Yeah nah. Needs more from the pies end.
Treloar is staying.

GWS just requires Hampton and Lamb who are contracted for 2016 to formally ask for a trade.This frees up the required money for Treloar.

Club just wont state this publicly for obvious reasons.This explains why Treloar wont commit until the season is over.
 

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If it means getting Treloar, well worth it. One of the few times you would say 'that's fine' to trading the farm. He is just that good.
Not a chance in this world i would give up 3 yrs of draft picks for any player, no player is worth that much.
Just FYI, over a 4 year period, only 2 first round picks can be traded. It's literally impossible for Collingwood to trade themselves out of 3 drafts in a row.
 

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Just FYI, over a 4 year period, only 2 first round picks can be traded. It's literally impossible for Collingwood to trade themselves out of 3 drafts in a row.
2015 first, 2016 first, 2017 2nd is okay. However it must be used for the absolute elite (Treloar) and the Pies would probably ask for Hampton as well in that case. Basically that 2nd would be used for their academy anyway. In fact all these picks they will use for their academy in the next couple of drafts.
 

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Heard the massive offer Collingwood have had on the table for Vickery has been pulled as a result of the Treloar deal ?
Sounds feasible IMO , Collingwood get treloar and have no money to try to get Vickery well played by both clubs .
 

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Treloar is staying.

GWS just requires Hampton and Lamb who are contracted for 2016 to formally ask for a trade.This frees up the required money for Treloar.

Club just wont state this publicly for obvious reasons.This explains why Treloar wont commit until the season is over.
Treloar staying is one thing that won't be happening!
 

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Treloar is staying.

GWS just requires Hampton and Lamb who are contracted for 2016 to formally ask for a trade.This frees up the required money for Treloar.

Club just wont state this publicly for obvious reasons.This explains why Treloar wont commit until the season is over.
Agreed Pies and Tigers really have nothing to offer a future All Australian to satisfy. But if AT wants to leave GWS need to execute best possible deal.

If Kreuzer leaves on FA and land pick 3 could give it to the Pies or Tigers only Pies come close to give it up for something we might like... Grundy and Sharenberg equal to about 2300 points. Pies can then onforward Pick 3 + Toovey for Treloar and keep pick 7 for the draft and first round pick for next season. They have replaced Scharenberg with Treloar and need to trade someone like Martin with a couple of 2nd round picks and keep pick 7 for someone like Charlie Curnow or Weideman.

Carlton out - pick 3 (2234 points)
Carlton in - Grundy + Sharenberg ( approx. pick 10 + 14 - 2250 points)
GWS in - pick 3
GWS out - Treloar
Collingood in - pick 3, Treloar (approx. 4000 points)
Collingwood out - Grundy, Scharenberg, Toovey (approx. 2800 points)

Only way I see it getting it done is in a three way trade. How badly does Collingwood want Treloar??
 

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There will be many questions asked by tiger members if we don't land Treloar. Last yr we came up dry after the trade period, then there was all the boasting about swelled coffers after 3 yrs in a row of record memberships leaving us with $$$ to burn. If we don't land a big gun this yr and end up with only draft picks, i for one will not be a happy member, especially after the club boasted after last yrs trade period about targeting players the following yr and explaining to supporters why they were so inactive during last yrs trade period.
 
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