Traded Adam Treloar [traded with #26, #33 and #42 to Bulldogs for #14 and 2021 R2]

[Footy Smarts]

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NO! You mean the final outcome is what anyone with the slightest bit of logic could see from a mile away?

 

[Euku]

Disaster for the Bulldogs. Good that Collingwood aren't going to let them have a player of Treloar's ability for nothing. Dogs tried to have their cake and eat it too (cheap trade + discounted salary) and it'll probably end up costing them a player.

Enjoy the positive for your own team rather than the detriment of others

 

[Boristown]

Disaster for the Bulldogs. Good that Collingwood aren't going to let them have a player of Treloar's ability for nothing. Dogs tried to have their cake and eat it too (cheap trade + discounted salary) and it'll probably end up costing them a player.

Wow, do you ever miss?

 

[Darkyprotector]

This Treloar situation is laughable from every angle.

Clearly he got pissed off when Collingwood put his name up last year in their feeble attempts to get Matt Rowell

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. He has responded with this daft idea of living away from his partner (who he can barely keep away from for 30 seconds) and puts a gun to their head.

Collingwood don’t care because they probably want Will Phillips and some salary cap space, and figure they move him (most likely to GC or Essendon if he kicks up) and they get a player for a quarter of the cost with 9 more years on the clock.

Treloar gets to keep the most important thing to him...money, whilst not giving up the 2nd most important thing attention.

Watching him confidently spin that BS on 360 dead set wanted to make me spew up. He did and said exactly the same crap years ago.

Just be honest people, the situation is untenable, make the arrangements and move on.

Yep
Nail on the head
Attention seaker just like stepho

So glad we pissed em off
Both selfish
Both wasteful
Both mentally suspect

Great trades

 

[ManOfClay]

Collingwood fans’ revisionism and jilted lover syndrome coming to the fore

 

[Dr Tigris]

I think this is probably right.

We had him on 900k for one year of his contract, so it was typical sensationalist reporting to go with 900K per year for 5 years (which is frankly just ludicrous and could never have been the case).

Seems the Dogs were never paying more than 600K, but Treloar was never on 900K per year in the first place and the clubs have mostly been negotiating about how the Pies' contribution would be apportioned over the next 5 years.

Wow my club has been incompetent here. I think a lot of Pies fans (me included) have been hopeful that the negotiations were going on because the intention was to try to reduce the wage contribution on the basis that the trade price was so unbelievably low, but it seems that was never the case (or if it was, then we've gotten nowhere, which is even worse). It is beyond belief that a professional club could ever get itself into this position, but here we are!

He's getting a lot of abuse from Pies fans trying to make themselves feel better at the moment (which is understandable), but you guys have gotten an absolute gun, for fricking nothing. 600k for a player at his level is cheap. Your midfield looks monstrous for 2021.

The thing that gets me, once I accept that the club screwed up their salary cap, is the consistent telling of lies/misleading statements. Treloar got screwed by the club in what they told him. He was hurt and it impacts on how the industry, and especially players view Collingwood. They told their supporters stories that seem to not be true. So the supporters are now peeved. I have no idea why they think that telling porkies that they will get caught out on is a good idea. Tell the truth up front and manage the situation. People will be disappointed, but no worries, on we go. tell stories and you will look like a bunch of tools. Seems so stupid - unless there is too much ego and not enough reality in the place.

 

[The_Steadier]

Yep
Nail on the head
Attention seaker just like stepho

So glad we pissed em off
Both selfish
Both wasteful
Both mentally suspect

Great trades

Breakups are hard mate...especially when you spent a fortune on them, then lost them for absolute peanuts AND you're still paying huge alimony for 5 years.

Chin up charlie- on the brightside it can't possibly get any worse than this.

 

[Euku]

The thing that gets me, once I accept that the club screwed up their salary cap, is the consistent telling of lies/misleading statements. Treloar got screwed by the club in what they told him. He was hurt and it impacts on how the industry, and especially players view Collingwood. They told their supporters stories that seem to not be true. So the supporters are now peeved. I have no idea why they think that telling porkies that they will get caught out on is a good idea. Tell the truth up front and manage the situation. People will be disappointed, but no worries, on we go. tell stories and you will look like a bunch of tools. Seems so stupid - unless there is too much ego and not enough reality in the place.

It would have gone so much better if the walked up to treloar stephens and Phillips and said we cant afford you anymore we need to trade you out, then to the clubs these players are up for trade for 2nd rounders who wants to deal

 

[Dr Tigris]

It would have gone so much better if the walked up to treloar stephens and Phillips and said we cant afford you anymore we need to trade you out, then to the clubs these players are up for trade for 2nd rounders who wants to deal

So much easier. SO much less agro and bad press. Oh well, it's happened

 

[Tbonefreo]

Im putting cash on Treloar to win the Brownlow next year.

He will dominate for the dogs

 

[Outback Footy]

really? to me it sounds like they will sit down and work it out together. My guess is somewhere around 175k a year for pies and 725k for Dogs but we will probably never know

Lol. That aged well
Dogs 600k/yr. Pies remainder. As agreed on trade day

 

[Outback Footy]

Collingwoods contract with Adam also required Adam to play for the Pies. He is no longer doing that so the contract is null and void. The Dogs want to pay him 600K and they have a contract for that. There is no contract for Collingwood to pay any remainder. Nor do I think that your argument that the Dogs are paying only 600K so therefore the Pies have to to pay the rest is a valid argument. All parties need to agree and they clearly have not.

Lol. Yep. Lol.
In exactly the same way beams isn’t getting paid to not play. Wait......

 

[cakewalk06]

Lol. That aged well
Dogs 600k/yr. Pies remainder. As agreed on trade day

Gloat away. You deserve it. Still weird how the age says

Treloar impasse resolved: Magpies to contribute to contract for five years

The Bulldogs are adamant they were prepared to pay Treloar around $3 million across five years and have not shifted on their agreement to pay that amount. There are now two contracts in place.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Footy Smarts]

Gloat away. You deserve it. Still weird how the age says

Treloar impasse resolved: Magpies to contribute to contract for five years

The Bulldogs are adamant they were prepared to pay Treloar around $3 million across five years and have not shifted on their agreement to pay that amount. There are now two contracts in place.

www.theage.com.au

Every media outlet is in agreement that the dogs didn't budge from the initial deal of $600k per year. It's possible $900k per year overstates the initial deal or some media are including things like match payments, etc to get a higher number but the conclusion is the same. Collingwood were hoping to renegotiate with the bulldogs paying extra and that didn't happen. Whether you lost a good player for virtually nothing and are paying $1.5m or $1m of his contract is surely only a minor difference. Either way it must be among the greatest salary cap management f-ups of all time and will massively hurt Collingwood over the next 5 years.

 

[doggies ftw]

Every media outlet is in agreement that the dogs didn't budge from the initial deal of $600k per year. It's possible $900k per year overstates the initial deal or some media are including things like match payments, etc to get a higher number but the conclusion is the same. Collingwood were hoping to renegotiate with the bulldogs paying extra and that didn't happen. Whether you lost a good player for virtually nothing and are paying $1.5m or $1m of his contract is surely only a minor difference. Either way it must be among the greatest salary cap management f-ups of all time and will massively hurt Collingwood over the next 5 years.

The fact they want to backend again as well. Usually with these deals clubs would want to get it off their books as soon as possible. They could be paying 400-500k in ‘24/‘25 for a 32yo to play his 5th season in oppo colours. Pies fans can claim any reasons they like to justify it but that’s atrocious anyway you look at it

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The fact they want to backend again as well. Usually with these deals clubs would want to get it off their books as soon as possible. They could be paying 400-500k in ‘24/‘25 for a 32yo to play his 5th season in oppo colours. Pies fans can claim any reasons they like to justify it but that’s atrocious anyway you look at it

The deal is being front ended according to one source. (it says 'although the Dogs will help by front ending' ) If it is accurate it could mean that he is getting more money from the Pies initially in this front ended deal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Pies are paying more money at the end of the deal.

 

[Outback Footy]

Gloat away. You deserve it. Still weird how the age says

Treloar impasse resolved: Magpies to contribute to contract for five years

The Bulldogs are adamant they were prepared to pay Treloar around $3 million across five years and have not shifted on their agreement to pay that amount. There are now two contracts in place.

www.theage.com.au

The hun and sen saying $300/yr. None of us know the contract so it’s possibly in between or both partially correct. Dogs always said we’d pay $3m over 5 years. If the original contract was closer to $4m than $4.5m age article would be correct.
ultimately it doesn’t matter. We said we’d pay x and you guys would pay the diff. After 4 weeks of ******* him around and stressing him out that’s exactly what you’ve agreed to. The trade night deal stands, pies just got more mud to wear through faffing about.
Ed nNed really stuffed up. Hopefully you’re club sorts them out and comes good. Good luck.

 

[Outback Footy]

The deal is being front ended according to one source. (it says 'although the Dogs will help by front ending' ) If it is accurate it could mean that he is getting more money from the Pies initially in this front ended deal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Pies are paying more money at the end of the deal.

Other way around apparently. Dogs are helping pies out by paying more up front. It’s the dogs front ending the deal. Which we offered to do early days. That suits us by freeing more $ for when bont needs a new contract.

 

[doggies ftw]

The deal is being front ended according to one source. (it says 'although the Dogs will help by front ending' ) If it is accurate it could mean that he is getting more money from the Pies initially in this front ended deal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Pies are paying more money at the end of the deal.

Dogs will help by front ending quite clearly means we’ll pay more up front and you’ll cover more of the contract in the later years id say

 

[Laphroaig]

The deal is being front ended according to one source. (it says 'although the Dogs will help by front ending' ) If it is accurate it could mean that he is getting more money from the Pies initially in this front ended deal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Pies are paying more money at the end of the deal.

It means exactly that. It doesn't mean anything else. That's what it means.

 

[tigerwill]

Different sources have claimed Collingwood settled at between $1million to $1.5 million overall for his 5 year contract

Some pies supporters now claim they’re only paying Treloar approx $100k p.a.now.
They either have other sources (?) or are extremely bad at maths.
Maybe it helps them sleep better. But regardless, $500k - $1.5 million or anywhere in between is a lot of members money down the drain.
Does anyone know if part of Phillips or Stephensons salary is subsidised. Was Langdon paid out as well?
No wonder quite a few pies supporters aren’t too happy.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Different sources have claimed Collingwood settled at between $1million to $1.5 million overall for his 5 year contract

Some pies supporters now claim they’re only paying Treloar approx $100k p.a.now.
They either have other sources (?) or are extremely bad at maths.
Maybe it helps them sleep better. But regardless, $500k - $1.5 million or anywhere in between is a lot of members money down the drain.
Does anyone know if part of Phillips or Stephensons salary is subsidised. Was Langdon paid out as well?
No wonder quite a few pies supporters aren’t too happy.

Think they are chipping in something for Phillips next year.
Consensus on the Pies board is that they are paying Treloar around $830k in total.

 

[Spuddd]

Different sources have claimed Collingwood settled at between $1million to $1.5 million overall for his 5 year contract

Some pies supporters now claim they’re only paying Treloar approx $100k p.a.now.
They either have other sources (?) or are extremely bad at maths.
Maybe it helps them sleep better. But regardless, $500k - $1.5 million or anywhere in between is a lot of members money down the drain.
Does anyone know if part of Phillips or Stephensons salary is subsidised. Was Langdon paid out as well?
No wonder quite a few pies supporters aren’t too happy.

The most recent source is that we are paying around 160-170k P.A toward Treloars contract, just shy of 900K in totality is what has been provided.

Phillips and Stephenson are not being subsidized by Collingwood at all, Philips has never been brought up and there are a number of sources that have noted Stephenson was fully traded away.

Langdon, along with Beams will have parts of their contract paid out in 2021, this is standard when a player retires from the game with years left to run on their contracts. Some of this will be paid by Collingwood and will be attributed to the salary cap, some of this will be paid by insurers and will not be attributed to the cap. This was also an option given the salary we saw walk out the door, we might not have been able to offer a retirement package to Beams/Langdon, which would have tied two list spots up, which at the current standpoint would mean that the mid season draft could not be an option for us.

The reasons for why these three players were identified for a trade were discussed during our recent members forum, held by the club. Effectively, they were three players that didnt feature inside the top 10 of our BnF and as such their contracts were seen to be too large for what they were providing. Some will say that the reasons for this were due to injury and missed games, however Pendlebury managed a second placing whilst missing a similar amount of time to these players.

I think the Collingwood supporters that are most unhappy, the ones that are still unhappy, are those that are emotionally attached to certain players - those of use with a more pragmatic approach understand the situation, it wasn't a pretty one, but all in all we should be on the other side of it now.

 

[Laphroaig]

Think they are chipping in something for Phillips next year.
Consensus on the Pies board is that they are paying Treloar around $830k in total.

Therein lays the fatal weakness of consensus

 

[Laphroaig]

The most recent source is that we are paying around 160-170k P.A toward Treloars contract, just shy of 900K in totality is what has been provided.

The most recent "source" is a new member with less than 50 posts to his name who claims to have inside information that everything is so not that bad that it's almost good.

Which seems to have been greeted with more enthusiasm than rigour.

The perceptive viewer may feel their bullshit meter going into the red.

 

[Dale4captain]

The most recent "source" is a new member with less than 50 posts to his name who claims to have inside information that everything is so not that bad that it's almost good.

Which seems to have been greeted with more enthusiasm than rigour.

The perceptive viewer may feel their bullshit meter going into the red.

It's just the pies fans sticking their heads in the sand to try and save face. They've had the worst offseason in recent history (maybe only Essendon have had a worse one in the last 20 years) and they're clinging to the lies as a desperate form of solace. It's so, so funny.

All reports suggest they got bent over and their cap is/was fk'd beyond all recognition but because this one suspiciously new poster has told them otherwise, it's the gospel.