Addam Maric: Why draft him?

[telsor]

I don't see the need for small goal kickers who are not able to rotate onto the ball . It's a pet hate of mine and the fact we so many upon our list annoys the s**t out of me . Especially when you see guys like josh hunt brush the aside and rebound the ball into our backline pretty much unpressured. Or even worst when opposi g sides dominate through the middle when we go to our 2 nd and 3 rd stringers .

Betts, Garlett, Milne, Ballantine....It is quite possible for 'specialist' small forwards to be very useful members of the team, and prospects for such positions usually side down the draft so can usually be picked up cheap, so represent a good value proposition.

That said, I think you're right, and the 'ideal' would someone, not unlike Nahas, who plays something like 80/20 forward/mid so can be part of the rotation. Trouble is prospects like that tend to go earlier in the draft.


Edited to add....I think the coaching staff are also very aware that a forward line with three genuine talls will generate a lot of crumbs, so it'd be nice to have someone to scoop them up.

 

[deliberate!!]

Firstly we didnt draft him, we rookied him.
Secondly he showed enough in the pre season to be elevated to the list proper.
Thirdly he didnt fire in his call up to the seniors and now needs to go back and work on his game.
Fourthly if he doesnt up the ante see fifthly
Fifthly he will be playing elsewhere

This is how rookie drafts operate. You see something, you give them a chance, they take it or they dont, or they cut it or they dont.
Its up to him to make good at Coburg now and force his way back in with consistent form there.
By and large rookies make good because they work their butts off, i.e. Axel.
Also by and large the rookie draft is a throw of the dice. You take in a group and you hope 1 stands up and makes the grade. If you fail then you take in another group next year. Thats the nature of the beast.

For all your words above....let's call a spade a spade.

You Rookie List a guy - You elevate him - He's drafted into your club. We chose Maric at the Rookie stage.

If A Rookie Listing didn't place a player in the clutches of ONE Club then there would by ONE pool for all Rookies, all year, from which the clubs could pick from. Instead, when a team Rookie Lists a player, isn't he tied to that AFL club?

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, personally, I don't care if you call it a giraffe.

A rookie....in essence...is just a drafted player on hold. At the club's discretion.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

I don't see the need for small goal kickers who are not able to rotate onto the ball . It's a pet hate of mine and the fact we so many upon our list annoys the s**t out of me . Especially when you see guys like josh hunt brush the aside and rebound the ball into our backline pretty much unpressured. Or even worst when opposi g sides dominate through the middle when we go to our 2 nd and 3 rd stringers .

I see what your saying RP but if we had the chance to have some elite small forwards like Betts and Garlett, I certainly would want them in the side even if they couldn't rotate through the middle.

I agree though that unless your a gun small forward, you need to have some versatility and some additional strings to your bow otherwise if you're an average small forward but don't offer anything else, you're basically going to be a passenger if your not slotting goals.

 

[dwwaino]

What's the big deal? He's only a rookie, it's like a free player. The other rookies are yonks away from being ready. There are no strings attached, so if he's no good he'll be gone at the end of the season.

 

[johnno77]

What's the big deal? He's only a rookie, it's like a free player. The other rookies are yonks away from being ready. There are no strings attached, so if he's no good he'll be gone at the end of the season.

Agree with this. I wouldn't give up on him completely just yet. Some of his efforts last week were just awful so he needs to spend at least the next 3 weeks tearing it up in the VFL. It wouldn't hurt to give him a tagging role or some other defensive job for those 3+ weeks and see whether he's prepared to do the team things or not.

 

[SumTingWong]

Played in round 1 i think, didnt do anything. we put him in the vfl. didnt really provide much consistently and when king got hurt he mustve been rejoiced because he knew that he was the only other one to play his position. played against geelong and did nothing

TURN IT UP!
He was best on ground when he went back to Coburg with about 25 touches and 2-3 goals. And after the NAB cup seemed as though everyone on this site had pencilled him into our best 22......and now we are criticising the club for picking him up in the first place.....he was well worth the punt. A rookie pick that doesn't look like it will work out? Well who would have thought that?

 

[The BRICKSTER]

I'm annoyed like many on here.

This guy has so much talent, leave him in the side and watch him develop, it's not going to happen overnight but if it does click we will have a super player at our hands.

His NAB cup form was awesome, yes it's only NAB but it's a start and to whoever said his kicking is suspect....look again.

 

[TheProwler]

TURN IT UP!
He was best on ground when he went back to Coburg with about 25 touches and 2-3 goals. And after the NAB cup seemed as though everyone on this site had pencilled him into our best 22......and now we are criticising the club for picking him up in the first place.....he was well worth the punt. A rookie pick that doesn't look like it will work out? Well who would have thought that?

Just goes to show you how far the gap is from vfl to afl.

Maric was (and still is) worth a shot it is now up to him to step up and learn to adapt to afl footy or become a career vfl player

 

[tugga]

Would have preferred to rookie Wille Wheeler. Even Carnell would have more of an upside.
Oh well.

 

[Bojangles17]

I just want to know why the RFC drafted this guy if we are not going to play him?

What's the point of giving him large amounts of game time in the Nab Cup, yet not giving him the time to adapt to the season proper?

Why draft him?

We have plenty of yo-yo players in and out of the Seniors. Why another?

Thought he was mighty stiff to be dropped after r1 wasnt good against the cats, not sure he's earned the credits to be immune from demotion

 

[Spluff]

Good choice for a rookie spot. Fills a need, heaps of potential, cheap, young, not flawed like a lot of other options.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Would have preferred to rookie Wille Wheeler. Even Carnell would have more of an upside.
Oh well.

correct

 

[santa claws]

He shouldn't be at the club . Is to small and his defensive efforts are non existent . His spot upon the rookie list should have been taken by a mid who can kick goals . Very very poor list management decision IMO .

how many good or above average small forwards do we have. he is a type we need maybe hes just not good enough. that still doesnt mean hes not a type we need.
list management is fine in this instance maric and turner are an attempt to fix a huge hole but if all you take is rookies theres a good chance you will turn a shedload over before you find a good one. id argue we actually havent done enough in this area but on this one i dont blame list management i blame recruitment and even then that would be a harsh call.

on maric himself he actally has better attributes in most areas than king white or nahas but that doesnt always equate to good performances if the areas that are poor are rotten. just my opinion but well worth a go.
id give him the two yrs atm. but like you say he needs to drastically improve certain areas if it looks like it wont happen then by all means cut him earlier.

 

[Nostradumbass]

He's s**t.

 

[Kyusss]

Would like to see him playing a few weeks in a row , and rather than just being left in a forward pocket when were butchering it forward swing him across half back for a little bit and let him create, his a wonderful user

 

[Rustof]

Yea, can't see why... Talented small forwards we are over flowing with. No need.

Are people forgetting this guy is only 22 this year? It's not like he's bloody 28 and on his last legs! Yes he is small, yes he lacks defensive pressure but he's still young! We can get him to work on the areas. The dude has talent, great footskills, doesn't fumble with the footy, dual sided.

IMO his positives and potential far outweigh his negatives.

And what did this cost us? A ****ING ROOKIE PICK! Dear lord how many of those have we pissed away for absolutely nothing in return!

 

[Ancient Tiger]

He's s**t.

That is way too harsh.

He is soft but it is much easier to harden up as you get older than to suddenly be able to kick and read the play which this guy can seriously do.

One thing I've noticed is that he has a chemistry with "push up" on the field. If you look at the Nab cup games they were passing to each other regularly, something that hasn't been allowed to happen through injury and suspension during the real season.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

how many good or above average small forwards do we have. he is a type we need maybe hes just not good enough. that still doesnt mean hes not a type we need.
list management is fine in this instance maric and turner are an attempt to fix a huge hole but if all you take is rookies theres a good chance you will turn a shedload over before you find a good one. id argue we actually havent done enough in this area but on this one i dont blame list management i blame recruitment and even then that would be a harsh call.

on maric himself he actally has better attributes in most areas than king white or nahas but that doesnt always equate to good performances if the areas that are poor are rotten. just my opinion but well worth a go.
id give him the two yrs atm. but like you say he needs to drastically improve certain areas if it looks like it wont happen then by all means cut him earlier.

How many small forwards play well in big games when the heat is on and I'm not talking about kicking goals or getting kicks in junk time ?
You could argue that Milne's inability to rotate through the midfield cost St Kilda the drawn grand final .
Small forwards who can't rotate through the midfield are a liability and we have 3 light small forwards upon our list who cant play anywhere else , with Edwards also being used there , plus King who has limited midfield ability .
The only time any of our small forwards have had any impact this season has been Nahas against Melbourne , when things were going our way .
It's not as though our front line midfielders in Cotchin , Lids , Martin , Filey and even Conca can't go forward and kick goals ?
I'd even prefer Tuck or Jackson going forward and competing against the Josh Hunts of the world .

 

[Onetonylockett]

I just want to know why the RFC drafted this guy if we are not going to play him?

What's the point of giving him large amounts of game time in the Nab Cup, yet not giving him the time to adapt to the season proper?

Why draft him?

We have plenty of yo-yo players in and out of the Seniors. Why another?

Because he has a wicked haircut

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Because he has a wicked haircut

Wrong Maric champ .

 

[santa claws]

How many small forwards play well in big games when the heat is on and I'm not talking about kicking goals or getting kicks in junk time ?
You could argue that Milne's inability to rotate through the midfield cost St Kilda the drawn grand final .
Small forwards who can't rotate through the midfield are a liability and we have 3 light small forwards upon our list who cant play anywhere else , with Edwards also being used there , plus King who has limited midfield ability .
The only time any of our small forwards have had any impact this season has been Nahas against Melbourne , when things were going our way .
It's not as though our front line midfielders in Cotchin , Lids , Martin , Filey and even Conca can't go forward and kick goals ?
I'd even prefer Tuck or Jackson going forward and competing against the Josh Hunts of the world .

i agree with nearly all of that but we do need a quality small or medium forward or two. yes yes yes i agree to survive they do need the ability to rotate thru the midfield. and yes i think the same about our front line mids going forward.
i not only agree on edwards king white and nahas especially about quality and their ability to impact as mids but we still need to find a few high quality sml/med forwards you mention geelong varcoe stokes not a good example steve johnson menzel and im sure i will leave a few out are all primarily forweards first but go thru the midfield.
all clubs have primarily sml/med forwards and yes most are expected to be a part of rotations. there are few exceptions. the side lacks midfield depth and the side lacks genuine forwards of quality.list management says we do need to draft these types where we take them will determine just how quickly we are likely to find them

take north with harper very high quality genuine forward who always had the attributes to be a apart of rotations they gave up what pick to get him. they also have a few of those small forwards the difference is the quality as compared to ours.

with marics good attributes i see no reason why in time he could not become a part of rotations and perform well.
for me he has three of the most important basic skills to go thru there. very good kick both sides. is a very good user he thinks his way thru. he has good pace.

what he doesnt have it seems is a motor an ability to find enough ball and his defensive efforts are non existent atm.will add size as well especially when team balance is at stake how many short people can you play before it bites hard.as you say edwards king maric white and nahas in one team is a recipe for disaster theres room for just one especially if they lack in basic areas.
imo these things were evident at melbourne and they are a concern if they continue at richmond. you do want to see improvement in them this yr or it is indeed hasta la vista baby after one yr.

i think they are attributes that can be turned around unlike certain skills.
look i agree with nearly all of what you say except the part about list management we need to find quality sml/med forwards and yes with the caveat that they can in time play thru the midfield.

take them thru the rookie draft and you should expect to turn over 4 5 or 6 before you find a good one unless you get lucky.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Maric looked damaging and full of run in the NAB cup games he played...not too sure whats happened with him since...

Seems players get a game in the Firsts and if they dont fire up straight away like Morris they disappear back to the reserves...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Maric looked damaging and full of run in the NAB cup games he played...not too sure whats happened with him since...

Seems players get a game in the Firsts and if they dont fire up straight away like Morris they disappear back to the reserves...

The tempo goes up ten fold in the season proper and IMO the rising of the tempo has left him wanting .

 

[cairo tiger]

yet another midget draft not done well

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

The tempo goes up ten fold in the season proper and IMO the rising of the tempo has left him wanting .

I thought as much myself...but jeez after just one game?!?!?...