Banter Adelaide Board's Combined Politics/Covid discussion Banter Thread (WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)

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So I gather they were afraid to leave their house during the flu outbreak of 2019.

News to me.
The way media reports covid, surely you can't be surprised some people are too scared to do anything. They make it sound as if you stand too close to someone you'll get covid and die. It's ludicrous. Remember some people just sit at home and listen to negativity all day.

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They might be fearful but it doesn’t mean we have to rationalize their delusions.
Explain how a kid getting cancer treatment, who may die if they catch covid is deluded?

You really can be heartless!
 

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Well it's not really surprising it's news to you.

You asked a question, which I answered.

These families are in the minority, but they do exist.

We needed to open back up again, but let's not pretend there are some families legitimately fearful (as opposed to other who live in fear but for no real good reason as their risk is low).
There is honestly no one who should be fearful. If they are, the media has got to them. Even those considered “at risk” shouldn’t be fearful because they’ve either had the vaccine (which makes them safe right?) or they are backing their immune system to keep them safe.
 
Oh, for sure, no issue there. I'm talking about the "masks are here forever, wash / sanitise your hands every hour, this is the new normal, it's perfectly sane and not at all over the top" sort of stuff.
Masks will fade pretty quickly once the mandates are relinquished. Some people will continue to wear them but most will go.

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There is honestly no one who should be fearful. If they are, the media has got to them. Even those considered “at risk” shouldn’t be fearful because they’ve either had the vaccine (which makes them safe right?) or they are backing their immune system to keep them safe.
Many are immunosuppressed!

Having a weakened immune system. People who are immunosuppressed have a reduced ability to fight infections and other diseases. This may be caused by certain diseases or conditions, such as AIDS, cancer, diabetes, malnutrition, and certain genetic disorders.
 
Not even just that.

More common are people who don't want to iso for 7 days if deemed a close contact.


Going on a wine tour tomorrow. Arranged it after BBQ and Beerfest got cancelled.

Mate told us he can't come as an opposition player in his social basketball game Wed night tested positive. Rec Centre won't say who it was, ie if it is a guy he matched up against fair enough. But if not, no physical contact, 7 days iso is extreme given he is triple vaxxed.


Broad based iso rules are keeping people home.




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Agree, that is the bigger concern for Mrs Arrowman & me - OK sure, catching it would be bad, but getting pinged for close contact and having to isolate, whether we've got it or not, is the thing. And no, no just the personal inconvenience - meh, we could hunker down at home together no problem - but the genuine financial impact.
 
Has this actually happened in Australia, even once, during the entire pandemic?
Unfortunately we have already had kids die in Australia... Not many but it is still a risk... which is not zero.
 
I feel the isolation for triple vaxxed is pathetic. Sorry but at some point you have to say, live your life, you've played the game and done everything we've asked. We need to stop running around protecting people who long made the decision not to protect themselves

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Explain how a kid getting cancer treatment, who may die if they catch covid is deluded?

You really can be heartless!
Data, give us the data. As sad as it is, people, including children, die each and every day. Worldwide I think it’s 20k children under 5 die a day. Am I saying this is fine? No. But given children are at the most minute risk from this, some perspective would be great. Do what you can to protect them, but being fearful isn’t doing anyone any favours.
 
Many are immunosuppressed!

Having a weakened immune system. People who are immunosuppressed have a reduced ability to fight infections and other diseases. This may be caused by certain diseases or conditions, such as AIDS, cancer, diabetes, malnutrition, and certain genetic disorders.
Yep, and I know many, and all are working and keeping busy. Not living in fear.
 

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Data, give us the data. As sad as it is, people, including children die each and every day. Worldwide I think it’s 20k children under 5 die a day. Am I saying this is fine? No. But given children are at the most minute risk from this, some perspective would be great. Do what you can to protect them, but being fearful isn’t doing anyone any favours.
Again, i was answering the question posed that no one should be fearful.

Whilst that is true for the vast majority of us, there are some (including kids) who have good reason to be fearful if they are immuno-compromised. These people & their families before covid had to be careful & even more so now.
 
The only risk Australian children are at is from governments who lock them down, isolate them, rip them out of school, cancel their sport, cause them to get depressed and commit suicide, make them wear masks and mandate a vaccine for a disease that poses less risk to them than influenza, to protect the cowardly adults that have allowed children to be subjected to all this bullshit.

THAT is the risk Australian children face and it’s an epidemic.
 
Agree, that is the bigger concern for Mrs Arrowman & me - OK sure, catching it would be bad, but getting pinged for close contact and having to isolate, whether we've got it or not, is the thing. And no, no just the personal inconvenience - meh, we could hunker down at home together no problem - but the genuine financial impact.
We thought our son had it this week, had symptoms but negative with 3 RATs,and the thought of 14 days at home. 14 days iso if living with someone positive with shared facilities.

Not even allowed to leave the house for a walk. Daunting.

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Is anything zero risk? What a way to view this thing. Got to have ZERO risk!
Of course not.

Again all I was countering your BS claim that no none should be fearful, when there are some who unfortunately are at high(er) risk in a covid environment being immunosuppressed... & these people do need to be more careful than the rest of us.
 
None of which changes what the Pfizer CEO said earlier, he went the early crow and got it very wrong. It's all about the $$$$'s and their shareholders with big pharma, you do get that, right? :oops:
No, he didn’t ******* “get it wrong”. The science changes. The efficacy changes as the variant changes. At the time, it was very effective against alpha and delta, not so much against omicron. How do you not get it? Are being deliberately obtuse?
 
I feel the isolation for triple vaxxed is pathetic. Sorry but at some point you have to say, live your life, you've played the game and done everything we've asked. We need to stop running around protecting people who long made the decision not to protect themselves

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These people have never asked to be protected.
 
Should help most, if not all.

The issue for many families is we opened up before their vulnerable kids had a chance to be vaccinated.
My sister, who is immuno-compromised, had a Telehealth appointment with her GP yesterday. Her GP belongs to some committee that gets together to discuss the approach for their immunosuppressed patients and the collective hive at the moment says that indications in the northern hemisphere are showing that a fourth shot for these people is working. So she is booked in for the fourth shot in two weeks. Her GP also said that they are anticipating QLD peak (including hospitalisations and deaths) will hit around 21st Feb.
 
For the 1st time in a long time, Australia has had consecutive days for reduced hospitalisations...

DateAUS%NSW%VIC%SA%QLD%
21 Jan 2251348.1%274313.2%10967.3%2906.4%8556.6%
20 Jan 2252748.4%278113.4%12068.1%2906.4%8506.6%
19 Jan 2253078.4%286313.8%11737.8%2946.5%8356.5%
18 Jan 2252388.3%285013.8%11527.7%2856.3%8196.4%
17 Jan 225,0478.0%2,77613.4%1,2298.2%2275.0%7025.4%
16 Jan 224,7527.5%2,65012.8%1,1147.5%2204.9%6705.2%
15 Jan 224,6037.3%2,57612.4%1,0547.1%2365.2%6495.0%
14 Jan 224,4467.1%2,54712.3%9766.5%2465.4%5894.6%
13 Jan 224,1976.7%2,38311.5%9536.4%2255.0%5564.3%
12 Jan 224,0106.4%2,24610.8%9466.3%1904.2%5554.3%
11 Jan 223,8696.1%2,19010.6%8615.8%2114.7%5294.1%
10 Jan 223,5205.6%2,0299.8%8185.5%1884.2%4193.3%
09 Jan 223,3265.3%1,9309.3%7525.0%1763.9%4023.1%
08 Jan 223,1054.9%1,7968.7%7314.9%1643.6%3662.8%
07 Jan 222,8994.6%1,7418.4%6444.3%1443.2%3272.5%
06 Jan 222,7024.3%1,6097.8%6314.2%1232.7%2962.3%
05 Jan 222,5234.0%1,4917.2%5914.0%1252.8%2752.1%
04 Jan 222,2093.5%1,3496.5%5163.5%1022.3%2051.6%
03 Jan 222,0023.2%1,2055.8%4913.3%942.1%1801.4%
02 Jan 221,8302.9%1,0695.2%4723.2%821.8%1701.3%
01 Jan 221,6022.5%9034.4%4513.0%711.6%1501.2%
31 Dec 211,4632.3%8344.0%4282.9%441.0%1271.0%
30 Dec 211,3062.1%7473.6%3952.6%370.8%1030.8%
29 Dec 211,1761.9%6253.0%3972.7%370.8%930.7%
28 Dec 211,0661.7%5572.7%3612.4%360.8%890.7%
27 Dec 211,0001.6%5212.5%3682.5%230.5%720.6%
26 Dec 219681.5%4582.2%3742.5%170.4%1000.8%
25 Dec 219061.4%3881.9%3612.4%120.3%1231.0%
 
Weekly growth has significantly reduced over the past week... & hopefully will be reducing given the recent days by next week.

DateAUS%NSW%VIC%SA%QLD%
21 Jan 22
688​
1.1%
196​
0.9%
120​
0.8%
44​
1.0%
266​
2.1%
20 Jan 22
1,077​
1.7%
398​
1.9%
253​
1.7%
65​
1.4%
294​
2.3%
19 Jan 22
1,297​
2.1%
617​
3.0%
227​
1.5%
104​
2.3%
280​
2.2%
18 Jan 22
1,369​
2.2%
660​
3.2%
291​
1.9%
74​
1.6%
290​
2.2%
17 Jan 22
1,527​
2.4%
747​
3.6%
411​
2.7%
39​
0.9%
283​
2.2%
16 Jan 22
1,426​
2.3%
720​
3.5%
362​
2.4%
44​
1.0%
268​
2.1%
15 Jan 22
1,498​
2.4%
780​
3.8%
323​
2.2%
72​
1.6%
283​
2.2%
14 Jan 22
1,547​
2.5%
806​
3.9%
332​
2.2%
102​
2.3%
262​
2.0%
13 Jan 22
1,495​
2.4%
774​
3.7%
322​
2.2%
102​
2.3%
260​
2.0%
12 Jan 22
1,487​
2.4%
755​
3.6%
355​
2.4%
65​
1.4%
280​
2.2%
11 Jan 22
1,660​
2.6%
841​
4.1%
345​
2.3%
109​
2.4%
324​
2.5%
10 Jan 22
1,518​
2.4%
824​
4.0%
327​
2.2%
94​
2.1%
239​
1.9%
09 Jan 22
1,496​
2.4%
861​
4.2%
280​
1.9%
94​
2.1%
232​
1.8%
08 Jan 22
1,503​
2.4%
893​
4.3%
280​
1.9%
93​
2.1%
216​
1.7%
07 Jan 22
1,436​
2.3%
907​
4.4%
216​
1.4%
100​
2.2%
200​
1.6%
06 Jan 22
1,396​
2.2%
862​
4.2%
236​
1.6%
86​
1.9%
193​
1.5%
05 Jan 22
1,347​
2.1%
866​
4.2%
194​
1.3%
88​
1.9%
182​
1.4%
04 Jan 22
1,143​
1.8%
792​
3.8%
155​
1.0%
66​
1.5%
116​
0.9%
03 Jan 22
1,002​
1.6%
684​
3.3%
123​
0.8%
71​
1.6%
108​
0.8%
02 Jan 22
862​
1.4%
611​
2.9%
98​
0.7%
65​
1.4%
70​
0.5%
01 Jan 22
696​
1.1%
515​
2.5%
90​
0.6%
59​
1.3%
27​
0.2%
31 Dec 21
553​
0.9%
452​
2.2%
31​
0.2%
36​
0.8%
16​
0.1%
30 Dec 21
445​
0.7%
400​
1.9%
-3​
0.0%
29​
0.6%
9​
0.1%
29 Dec 21
382​
0.6%
323​
1.6%
3​
0.0%
32​
0.7%
13​
0.1%
28 Dec 21
290​
0.5%
273​
1.3%
-31​
-0.2%
29​
0.6%
14​
0.1%
27 Dec 21
245​
0.4%
260​
1.3%
-38​
-0.3%
17​
0.4%
6​
0.0%
26 Dec 21
209​
0.3%
231​
1.1%
-18​
-0.1%
13​
0.3%
43​
0.3%
25 Dec 21
189​
0.3%
182​
0.9%
-23​
-0.2%
10​
0.2%
72​
0.6%
 
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