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You said it yourself, if this makes money they're going to care.
Adelaide Crows Considering New Home Base
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Have any of the 'save the parklands' lobby ever used them?
The areas that aren't used for decent level sport/college sport are dead grass yellow cement-hard fields of nothing with minimal facilities. There are sections of parklands in the south and near the Aquatic Centre that wouldn't look out of place on abandoned lots in Davoren Park
The areas that aren't used for decent level sport/college sport are dead grass yellow cement-hard fields of nothing with minimal facilities. There are sections of parklands in the south and near the Aquatic Centre that wouldn't look out of place on abandoned lots in Davoren Park
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Money doesn’t create a positive culture in a football club.
Sometimes money doesn’t matter if you are trying to build a culture for a supporter base.
they will be in a position to garner a far bit of government funding,
If the Crows take on the aqua centre then they open themselves up to even more funding, Added to funding they would receive from Baseball (Olympic sport) and the plan to have Esport in the Olympics makes that an Olympic sport, and you can see that funding increase.
They either push a new training centre after 2020 or after 2024.
If its the Aquatic centre they add a specialist medical centre, Coffee shop, etc and they have a money spinner as well.
Either way, the next training centre for the Crows will have extra government funding both state and federal because of AFLW, SANFL, Baseball and Esports setups.
ACC will be worried because there is vacant land near the Baseball Park opposite harbour town. and there is also talk about Thebby oval.
Add to that they are most likely sitting on 10mil plus if they vacate west lake 20years earlier.
I did think about our other teams and whether funding will come into it.
It will definitely be interesting to see who we eventually partner with or take funding from, I don't think we got much the last time around? I remember the government did contribute, but it's our facility (minus the land).
I then think I remember a lot of other smaller clubs partnering with councils or government for multi use facilities.
It wont be cheap, West Coast will be leading the league for the next few years, a $60 Million facility paid for by "the Coalition Government committing $13 million, Western Australian Government $8 million, Lotterywest $2 million, West Coast Eagles $35 million, Wirrpanda Foundation $1 million, and Edith Cowan University $900,000."
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Joint venture maybe.
Or we are paying them a sizable lease for the use of it. Which might help it break even. Seems like a win win potentially.
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http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/club/elite-training-and-admin-facility
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This project was jointly funded by the Coalition Government ($10,000,000), The Western Australian Government ($12,400,000), the City of Cockburn ($72,850,00), the Fremantle Football Club ($12,700,000), and Curtin University ($1,000,000).
I would much rather a facility like Essendon or WCE have than a compromised set up on a smaller parcel of land in the CBD.
If a move to the city can provide such a facility go for it.
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This is the problem, where do we get that much land, that's also convenient. I'd rather the club finds the land to build the right training facility before considering how easy it is for supporters to get there after a game or whatever else. Like lets not move for the sake of it only to have similar facilities, there has to be balance but we need to seek improvement and future possibilities.
West Coasts set up is going to be very impressive. 2 ovals, 1 is home ground size and the other MCG size, and what looks like a 2 story complex about the length of the 50 metre arc.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-c...ans-for-new-home-at-lathlain-bc-5557316662001
Can probably find the oval space in the Parklands, but will they let us put the building on it plus car parking?
I think their new facility would probably sit alright in the park lands, would like the club to incorporate some features that make the supporters feel a part of it all.
Looks like they might be able to enter, see the cups, walk through to watch training? (a bit like that Southern end of Adelaide Oval entrance feel). Open the club up to supporters a bit more, our current building feels a bit intimidating, bunker like. Find a reason to open it up to the community a bit more.
That is what we should be aiming for.
It is a 30 plus year investment. Let's not comprise just so a few people can go have a meal during their lunch break from their city jobs.
Yes I am one of those who would have regular lunches at an city based "clubrooms" during my lunch break.
But I would much prefer we have our players trained to an elite standard and winning Premierships thanks to our state of the art training facility out in the 'burbs.
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Is that site in the conversation.
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Interesting that Lathlain Park is in the middle of suburbuia, and has very little carparking on the plans.
It's definitely not designed for match day events.
It's definitely not designed for match day events.
Yep, Agree. I feel like a lot of supporters/media might settle for sort of about what we've got now, but in a better location. That just keeps us at the level most clubs are at now. We've got to be thinking 30 years out, we've got to be looking at what Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast are have got now or very soon as the benchmark, with flexibility to grow and improve during our time at this new location.
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“Of course there is room in our Adelaide parklands (and what a magnificent place to have your home) but it is the preserve of all South Australians, not just a privileged few.“
This sort of argument shits me. The barren dry brown areas of the parklands should be the preserve of all SA’ns but it’s used for nothing more than weeds and dust.
The Crows are the club for all SA’ns. Sure some don’t support Crows, but some don’t play archery. Some don’t have kids to play on the playgrounds. Some don’t have dogs for the dog parks. Some don’t swim. Some won’t got to Clipsal. Etc. just because it is not directly for all, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.
SA is a footy state. Adelaide is a footy city. The Crows are the biggest footy icon in the state. If the Crows aren’t the preserve for all SA’ns then nothing is.
This sort of argument shits me. The barren dry brown areas of the parklands should be the preserve of all SA’ns but it’s used for nothing more than weeds and dust.
The Crows are the club for all SA’ns. Sure some don’t support Crows, but some don’t play archery. Some don’t have kids to play on the playgrounds. Some don’t have dogs for the dog parks. Some don’t swim. Some won’t got to Clipsal. Etc. just because it is not directly for all, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.
SA is a footy state. Adelaide is a footy city. The Crows are the biggest footy icon in the state. If the Crows aren’t the preserve for all SA’ns then nothing is.
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Access to the site near the Aquatic Centre is probably better than the site near nursery (Park 10). Clearly there is plenty of room, either side of Jeffcott Street
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We walk from Barton Tce East into the parklands with the hounds. When we turn right heading towards the horse area and off-lead park it's well looked after and a lovely walk. If we go straight ahead it's just kind of barren and uncared for. And there's often construction type material/bunting being stored there. We only ever see people in the off-lead area and the odd horsey person plus the playground area. Otherwise I've never seen someone else using them. And why would you, there's ample parklands area that are absolutely beautiful. If we didn't tell anyone about it we could probably build it and be there for 20 years before anyone knew we were there.
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Park 6 is my preference, currently a wasteland.
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I think it'd be fantastic to see the Adelaide Football Club based in the heart of the city it represents. I'm not a Crows supporter, nor am I born and bred in S.A. However, I've lived in Adelaide for almost fourteen years, so I could say that I'm now part of the furniture!
One thing that's always bewildered me is the amount of unutilised Park Lands that exists. I understand the desire to disallow encroachment of infrastructure as a means by which to prevent that slippery slope from chewing up all of the city's green belt.
The thing is, though, that belt is adorned with dry patches of unsightly, dry, yellow fields. Barren and devoid of any public activity - the literal definition of a wasted opportunity. The polar opposite of a white elephant; with the latter at least demonstrating an attempt to make a positive impact, even if the execution ultimately failed.
I do think Adelaide is a fantastic city, but more must be done to utilise the Park Lands for the benefit of the majority of South Australians. A better balance needs to be struck between what a developers' unabated vision would be and those of the militant Park Lands Preservation Society who oppose any and all development, regardless of a project's individual merit.
If the AFC can build a facility in the Park Lands which builds on an unutilised open space and manages to attract many to the remaining green open spaces at the same time, then it's a win-win. Hell, if the AFC can pull off this and provide a culinary option as part of its new facilities, I'd even try it out one night! And, not because the missus would have dragged me there, either!
One thing that's always bewildered me is the amount of unutilised Park Lands that exists. I understand the desire to disallow encroachment of infrastructure as a means by which to prevent that slippery slope from chewing up all of the city's green belt.
The thing is, though, that belt is adorned with dry patches of unsightly, dry, yellow fields. Barren and devoid of any public activity - the literal definition of a wasted opportunity. The polar opposite of a white elephant; with the latter at least demonstrating an attempt to make a positive impact, even if the execution ultimately failed.
I do think Adelaide is a fantastic city, but more must be done to utilise the Park Lands for the benefit of the majority of South Australians. A better balance needs to be struck between what a developers' unabated vision would be and those of the militant Park Lands Preservation Society who oppose any and all development, regardless of a project's individual merit.
If the AFC can build a facility in the Park Lands which builds on an unutilised open space and manages to attract many to the remaining green open spaces at the same time, then it's a win-win. Hell, if the AFC can pull off this and provide a culinary option as part of its new facilities, I'd even try it out one night! And, not because the missus would have dragged me there, either!
Oh yes those poor hard done by horse and yacht owners. They are indeed the aussie battlers who live every day hand-to-mouth.
The problem is the area is only available for people who live within 2km of the agistment area (technically it is a depasturing area). So those who live in Gilberton Medindie, Fitzroy, Ovingham, Thorngate, North Adelaide etc. (which have a median house price about 2.5 to 3 times that of greater Adelaide as a whole) AND they own a horse. So yeah they are “elites”.
Also, given that we are constantly told that the parklands are meant to be public spaces, reserving particular areas for a selective few is completely hypocritical.
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Is the entire upkeep and maintenance of the parklands paid for by the state government? If so, it's a bit rough to limit certain parts of it to a small group of individuals.
Totally agree.
We are the Adelaide Football Club and we should IMO be located in the general area of the precincts of the City of Adelaide - whom we represent as well as all South Australians.
By the time we build our new facilities, our current facilities will be old hat and among the worst in the comp, with all the other new facilities being built by other clubs.
On top of that our new draftees - and existing players - are barely stimulated by training in a demolition site currently with the prospect eventually of being surrounded by suburbia. Away from anywhere really. Young lads like going to the city and night spots etc and to be located within walking distance of the city is big IMO.
The ACC like the idea, the Govt likes the idea - there are no authoritative naysayers. Its a matter of where rather than can we. My preferred site is the one opposite of the zoo and to its right looking out - in that U bend. That gives the ability to build a facility for all areas of the club and supporters and training at the back in the Oval 10 area.
Where does the money come from? I would think that there would be substantial payments from the owners, developers and SANFL not to have us there at their cost plus they can sell and develop our current land base decades before they would be able to otherwise. On top of that there would be AFL money, Sate Govt grants, Federal Govt grants etc etc seeing that it is housing multi sports, including many of those being for women.
In addition there would be an annual fee for naming rights - eg the Optus Adelaide Football Club Centre which would defray a lot of the additional costs associated with the move annually.
IMO it certainly is manageable financially and would result in OUR club having the most modern facilities in the most natural beautiful surroundings eg parklands, the river and trees - making it a very attractive place to be at.
The back of the facility could have a quality viewing area for members to watch training on open days for a small fee that all adds up in the long run, Catering facilities ranging from basic to deluxe and it could be a good money earner in its own right as well as having rooms available for hire for conferences. There will be many opportunities to help defray costs/ make money.
IMO the quicker we move on it the better. It's an absolute no-brainer.
