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A ‘cult-like’ pre-season camp debacle left senior Adelaide Crows players distressed

March 26, 2018 8:50pm

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ELEMENTS of an emotionally distressing Gold Coast-based training camp left several senior Adelaide footballers shaken and frustrated in early February.
Foxfooty.com.au has been told multiple experienced Crows were bewildered and mentally distressed after the club’s first pre-season camp in seven years turned sour.

Unlike Melbourne’s debacle late last year, the cause for concern centred on the emotional wellbeing of players, especially half-a-dozen or so senior members of the team.

They were forced to adopt a mentality, described as ‘cult-like’ by one source, in the bush while the rest of the squad remained on the Gold Coast.


The club became aware of these concerns and was forced to address them in a team meeting shortly after the squad, medical staff and football department returned to Adelaide.

It’s understood the AFL Players’ Association was alerted but no formal complaint was made.

Not all players found the Queensland experience — which ran for a week from January 29 to February 2 — as distressing as a small group of senior footballers who endured the most emotionally intense aspects of mind training.

In addition, players were asked not to talk about the specifics of the emotional hardships they were forced to endure.

Adelaide’s playing list split up into two groups. One stayed on the Gold Coast for the week, while the more senior half-a-dozen or so players ventured to the bush on a “high gradient training” adventure that was designed to break them mentally for part of the camp.

Entitled the ‘Mankind Project’ and run by Collective Minds, players were asked to complete emotionally upsetting questionnaires, as well as a variety of tasks that sources say also had at least one assistant coach questioning the merits of the mental elements of the camp.

Ahead of the 2017 season, the Crows embarked on a multi-year program with Collective Minds to “unlock the next frontier of high performance” last pre-season and continued it over the recent summer.

“The value for us for mind training is that we have made a lot of progression in the physical side, whether it be a weights program, conditioning program, our skill and game program,” Adelaide coach Don Pyke said last year.

“The frontier that hasn’t been tapped into considerably is the mind space.

“A lot of our time is historically spent on the mind. And we think getting our players aware of the mind and the role that plays in performance was really vital. We’ve just unlocked the door and it’s an area we want to continue to expand on.”


Collective Minds have also worked with the South Sydney Rabbitohs in the NRL, plus worldwide brands Nestle and Lendlease.

Much of the training for the week was physical, but when senior players hopped in a bus and were blindfolded, sources have suggested that no medical professional accompanied them. One player in particular didn’t feel well but no doctors were there to assist. This process made some players — not all — question the club.

Speaking on AFL Nation on Friday evening, former St Kilda captain Danny Frawley shed more light on aspects of the training camp.

“I’m led to believe theirs was quite unique,” Frawley said.

“They went to a place in the Gold Coast and they thought they were going there. They had their shorts and they were in a bus and were basically blindfolded for about 24 hours in a bus.

“They were blindfolded and a guy was talking to them. They had food and didn’t know where they were going.

“It was more about the mind than physical … it was in the middle of Australia where they ended up.”

It’s believed the Adelaide Crows Board was not informed about the Gold Coast training camp and was only notified when at least one frustrated senior player mentioned it.

“There were elements of the camp where we deliberately through a little bit of confusion into it,” Adelaide chief executive Andrew Fagan told AFL Nation recently.

“Pykey has done a bit of that throughout the pre-season and just turned up and let the boys run training for themselves.

“They sort of wonder what’s going on. We want ensure the players are developing as leaders and coping with demands that are unplanned for.”

Some players are still “not in a good headspace” after the training camp, said one source.

Foxfooty.com.au has elected not to name the players who became distressed during and after the camp due to their mental wellbeing.
 
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“Whatever decision has to be made from the top to the bottom will be made for the betterment of the football club. The supporters should back the people in — and if they don’t, well then maybe they don’t need to barrack for the footy club.”

- Mark Riccuito, 2019

Looks like some decisions need to be made and are probably a year or two overdue. These wildly inappropriate comments may actually need to ring true, because Adelaide need a gigantic shake up and clean out or they need their members to simply walk away from a club that has showed them absolutely zero respect or diligence from a management perspective.

Their insipid on-field efforts are a mere cherry on the top of what has been a bit of a poo cake for sometime now. Adelaide FC are officially a joke and it's hard not to feel sorry for their long time members.
 
- Mark Riccuito, 2019

Looks like some decisions need to be made and are probably a year or two overdue. These wildly inappropriate comments may actually need to ring true, because Adelaide need a gigantic shake up and clean out or they need their members to simply walk away from a club that has showed them absolutely zero respect or diligence from a management perspective.

Their insipid on-field efforts are a mere cherry on the top of what has been a bit of a poo cake for sometime now. Adelaide FC are officially a joke and it's hard not to feel sorry for their long time members.

I love the reasoning. It is like Scott Morrison saying "Don't agree with everything the Coalition is doing while in power. Fine, you are no longer an Australian citizen"
 
Deny what? We all know we are Carlton mid 2000s levels of sh*t. The Crows can’t move forward properly without completely purging out most of the 2017 GF players. Talia, Brown and Sloane are the only three I would keep. The rest are either cooked or mentally shot.

Crouches must be traded. Atkins delisted. Seedsman traded. Laird traded. Tex retires. Lynch stays on as backup. Our list changes for 2021 are absolutely critical for our future success.

Again, I will simply repeat that a large amount of Adelaide posters are/were supporting Riccuito's recent comments.

The rest of your post is simply going off topic from what I was talking about, please don't attempt to misrepresent what I was saying.
 

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- Mark Riccuito, 2019

Looks like some decisions need to be made and are probably a year or two overdue. These wildly inappropriate comments may actually need to ring true, because Adelaide need a gigantic shake up and clean out or they need their members to simply walk away from a club that has showed them absolutely zero respect or diligence from a management perspective.

Their insipid on-field efforts are a mere cherry on the top of what has been a bit of a poo cake for sometime now. Adelaide FC are officially a joke and it's hard not to feel sorry for their long time members.

I feel sorry for the players a lot more than the supporters.
 
- Mark Riccuito, 2019

Looks like some decisions need to be made and are probably a year or two overdue. These wildly inappropriate comments may actually need to ring true, because Adelaide need a gigantic shake up and clean out or they need their members to simply walk away from a club that has showed them absolutely zero respect or diligence from a management perspective.

Their insipid on-field efforts are a mere cherry on the top of what has been a bit of a poo cake for sometime now. Adelaide FC are officially a joke and it's hard not to feel sorry for their long time members.

Roo kind of reminds me of the bloke who jumped off the top of a sky scraper and on every level down he is heard to yell "so far so good, so far so good".
 
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Doesn't help that the last few years for Adelaide in recruiting have been rather poor. Here are the players they have drafted in the national draft

2016
Gallucci
Poholke
Himmelberg
Signorello
Davis

2017
Fogarty
McPherson
Wilson

2018
Jones
McHenry
Hamill
Sholl

Absolute disaster. 2018's crop need time but that draft was probably the best since 2001, we needed to trade up like Port. I seriously doubt Fog is trying hard enough, he is clearly overweight but has the talent.
 
Absolute disaster. 2018's crop need time but that draft was probably the best since 2001, we needed to trade up like Port. I seriously doubt Fog is trying hard enough, he is clearly overweight but has the talent.

The 2018 draft

1. Walsh
2. Lukosius
3. Rankine
4. M.King
5. Rozee
6. B.King
7. Smith
8. Thomas
9. Jones
10. Blakey
11. Caldwell
12. Butters

There is a lot of talent in that top 12, but it is hard not to look at that list of players and think Chayce Jones is probably the worst (admittedly we have not really seen Rankine play yet).
 
Polec is no big loss, stunk it up yesterday for North, it was a very sensible decision by Kern to let him go.

And yet was BOG the week before and statistically one of the best wingman this year already.
 
- Mark Riccuito, 2019

Looks like some decisions need to be made and are probably a year or two overdue. These wildly inappropriate comments may actually need to ring true, because Adelaide need a gigantic shake up and clean out or they need their members to simply walk away from a club that has showed them absolutely zero respect or diligence from a management perspective.

Their insipid on-field efforts are a mere cherry on the top of what has been a bit of a poo cake for sometime now. Adelaide FC are officially a joke and it's hard not to feel sorry for their long time members.
Doesn't require a PhD to know Ricciuto is a moron.

Staggering how involved he is. And no shock to see the joint crumbling.
 

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The 2018 draft

1. Walsh
2. Lukosius
3. Rankine
4. M.King
5. Rozee
6. B.King
7. Smith
8. Thomas
9. Jones
10. Blakey
11. Caldwell
12. Butters

There is a lot of talent in that top 12, but it is hard not to look at that list of players and think Chayce Jones is probably the worst (admittedly we have not really seen Rankine play yet).

Jones is a good lad with an excellent work ethic but it hasn't clicked yet and despite being an elite runner (wins our time trials), it doesnt seem he has the tank to play big mid minutes yet. The top 7, Rankine aside for the moment, look almost guaranteed superstars. Bailey Smith and Rozee could be AA this year.
 
Deny what? We all know we are Carlton mid 2000s levels of sh*t. The Crows can’t move forward properly without completely purging out most of the 2017 GF players. Talia, Brown and Sloane are the only three I would keep. The rest are either cooked or mentally shot.

Crouches must be traded. Atkins delisted. Seedsman traded. Laird traded. Tex retires. Lynch stays on as backup. Our list changes for 2021 are absolutely critical for our future success.
You guys do. Nothing on the majority of supporters here.

The wider Adelaide media and the fairies out there don't.
 
I can't remember but when did Taylor Walker start insulting players who wanted to leave the Crows? I remember reading those comments years ago and thinking they felt a little unseemly considering players coming and going from clubs are normal in the AFL, and you didn't see him calling players coming to the Crows "disloyal" even though they had left whatever club they were coming from.
 
I can't remember but when did Taylor Walker start insulting players who wanted to leave the Crows? I remember reading those comments years ago and thinking they felt a little unseemly considering players coming and going from clubs are normal in the AFL, and you didn't see him calling players coming to the Crows "disloyal" even though they had left whatever club they were coming from.
Lever was the main one I believe.
 

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One thing we know for sure, the Adelaide crows are one of the most delusional sporting clubs/supporter bases on earth.

Many people (including myself) have been argued with Crow’s about one particular problem for years now and this problem is still bloody there! This will ensure the Crows disaster will continue for years to come...

How can Justin Reid still be in charge of the list????

Incredible!!

He has gutted the place and still holds arguably the most important job at the club!

Look at this:

Team Reid-

Hamil McAsey Seedsman
Milera Doedee keys
Gallucci Jones McHenry
Davis Himmelberg Murphy
Wilson Fogarty Crocker

Frampton Gibbs Poholke Stengle

That’s the entire list of players who have been brought in under Reid, played an AFL game and still on the crows list. (I’ve highlighted the ones who aren’t even good enough to crack into this atrocious crows team.)

In the meantime Reid has given up to opposition clubs:

Pick 10 2017
Pick 17 2017
Pick 19 2018
Pick 11 2019
Mitch Mcgovern
Charlie Cameron
Alex keath
Sam Jacobs
Eddie betts
Josh jenkins
Hugh greenwood
Cam Ellis-yolmen
Jake Lever
Jarryd Lyons
Ricky henderson


Crazy stuff! Still manages the list this guy!
 
Pretty poor form from Hugh there. The only reason he even has an AFL career is because the Crows plucked him from a failing basketball career. His actions on the field should do all the talking, that’s just a cheap shot.

Riccuito fired a cheap shot at him this week.
 
Pretty poor form from Hugh there. The only reason he even has an AFL career is because the Crows plucked him from a failing basketball career. His actions on the field should do all the talking, that’s just a cheap shot.

Why is Riccuito allowed to publicly pop off about him, question his motives, ability and bring up his contract yet it's "poor form" and a "cheap shot" from Hugh? Cannot have it both ways.

You are absolutely clutching at straws suggesting Adelaide did Greenwood a favour by 'rescuing him' from another career. They offered him a contract because they felt it could be of benefit to them, end of story. Anything else is just a distortion of the truth to suit a narrative.
 

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