The point that we arent without excuses if we lose tonight due to about a 3rd of our possible best 22. I will still back us to finish top 4. And on the point you made, if we were good enough to beat Hawthorn then how could you possibly think we are might be going to be shit and going nowhere? Could it be that we have just hit a lull in our season since then? We arent shit all of a sudden.

