Norm Smith Medallist
- Jul 12, 2013
- AFL Club
- Other Teams
- Sturt, 49ers, Giants, Lakers
Have to look at it on a case-by-case basis.Can everyone decide if Dodo screwed up by overpaying for Shiel or screwed up by not overpaying for Dunkley? Because the two are mutually exclusive.
Because 'Adrian' does.Why does this thread still exist?
Look at his uncontested to contested possession count across his career (including his stint at Essendon) for a true indication. He's an outside midfielder being purposed as an inside mid.I'm not sure if you know who Dylan Shiel is, but 'outside midfielder' is probably not the description you're looking for.
Yet still an overwhelming number of uncontested possessions to contested possessions in that particular year.Fun fact:
Dylan Shiel's best clearances season was 2017. At GWS.
Shiel is an inside-outside player. An 'outside midfielder' is a Lachie Whitfield.
In 2017 Shiel was 2nd that year for total clearances, 2nd for centre clearances, 16th for contested possession, yet only 21st for uncontested possessions.Yet still an overwhelming number of uncontested possessions to contested possessions in that particular year.
At best Shiel is an inside-leaning outside midfielder, but he certainly wasn’t a pure inside midfielder until he became one by default at Essendon.
Indicative moreso of the quality around him IMO.In 2017 Shiel was 2nd that year for total clearances, 2nd for centre clearances, 16th for contested possession, yet only 21st for uncontested possessions.
So he won more clearances, because he had more quality around him, so had to do less of the heavy lifting?Indicative moreso of the quality around him IMO.
At Essendon he hasn’t had the same support and he has had to do the bulk of the heavy lifting, which isn’t really his go.
From a Carlton perspective, I was shattered when Shiel chose Essendon, regardless of what it cost to get him over the line.Wonder though if Essendon would still do the trade if they had their time again?
Shiel was supposed to be their prime mover, their leader of men who'd continue on his trajectory and stamp himself as one of the best midfielders in the league. Instead he's playing outside his comfort zone, expected to do more heavy lifting than he's used to, and hasn't dominated in any big games. His horrible performances against Richmond and Brisbane this year and final last year come to mind.
I know he is interested in real estate, and given his history of swindling (the Essendon FC) perhaps he's happy to cop 900k pa until he's ready to start doing what he loves? He's also pretty involved in Formula 1 IIRC.
Not hard to look good in a stacked midfield, with midfielders who will block for and give you the best opportunity to get first use.So he won more clearances, because he had more quality around him, so had to do less of the heavy lifting?
Makes total sense.
Or, alternatively, you’re wrong and he’s not an outside midfielder.
No .. Essendon is nearly clutching at 6000 days without a finals winSo Dylan Shiel apparently being utilised in a not natural position (to which he’s an inside outside mid anyways) is Adrian Dodoro’s fault?
Gee whiz, we’re clutching at straws now aren’t we
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Wait until they lose Merrett next yearNot hard to look good in a stacked midfield, with midfielders who will block for and give you the best opportunity to get first use.
Understandably he has struggled in Essendon’s smaller, less talented and less defensively minded midfield group.
It’s a pretty easy distinction, and one outlier season doesn’t reverse his general formlime.
We dodged a bullet no doubt. I still think he would have done far better in our midfield, with Cripps feeding him the ball, but luckily our horrible finishing position that year safeguarded us.From a Carlton perspective, I was shattered when Shiel chose Essendon, regardless of what it cost to get him over the line.
In hindsight, it ended up being a massive win for us, if we'd given up two 1st rounders (2018 and 2019) similar to what Dodoro paid. The Essendon Shiel trade delivered Carlton Jack Martin, Sam Walsh, Brodie Kemp, Liam Stocker and Sam Philp through the non-deal. Martin was destined for the Bombers the end of 2018 until they spent all their chips on Shiel, the others are 1st round picks that SOS traded from two 1st round picks to four.
But, give him his dues, Dodoro got the deal done, and Essendon supporters would no doubt be rapt with what Shiel has delivered. Aren't they?