Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

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Red Black and Blue

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Positionally the traditional wisdom is to set your spine up first as KPPs are harder to find and take longer to develop. Seems like Dodo has picked up a great midfield before looking to fix the KPPs.
huh? Our midfield is the biggest problem. Parish, Merrett and Stringer are decent but you need dominanting forces like Bontempelli/Petracca/Oliver/Martin. That is the standard required to win flags.

We had great KPP for the better part of a decade and it got us no where, while the Doggies are into their second grand final in 6 years with one decent KPP.
 

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Juddernaut08

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huh? Our midfield is the biggest problem. Parish, Merrett and Stringer are decent but you need dominanting forces like Bontempelli/Petracca/Oliver/Martin. That is the standard required to win flags.

We had great KPP for the better part of a decade and it got us no where, while the Doggies are into their second grand final in 6 years with one decent KPP.
Really strange take.

Parish/Merrett/Stringer/Shiel/Heppell/Smith --> That's a lot of talent in their prime age as mids.

Aside from 1st and 2nd year players, who are your notable KPPs?
 

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Really strange take.

Parish/Merrett/Stringer/Shiel/Heppell/Smith --> That's a lot of talent in their prime age as mids.

Aside from 1st and 2nd year players, who are your notable KPPs?
I mean, when those guys were drafted we had Daniher, Hurley and Hooker all playing pretty darn good football, so it made sense to bolster the midfield.
 

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Really strange take.

Parish/Merrett/Stringer/Shiel/Heppell/Smith --> That's a lot of talent in their prime age as mids.

Aside from 1st and 2nd year players, who are your notable KPPs?
Well Heppell and Smith don't really play middle anymore. Shiel is a butcher and don't think he's premiership quality, maybe if we could find a genuine elite talent to push him further down the pecking order. We lack genuine hard ball winning ability. For stoppage clearances we are 10th in the comp vs opponent and 8th for total clearances. 3rd for centre clearances but considering they only make up about a third of all clearances we are still a long way off dictating play through stoppage work.

As for building KPP first. Doggies, Hawks, now Demons and Dogs again have able to spot fix KPP, even Collingwood were a free kick away from a flag with rubbish KPP. It's far easier to trade in an adequate KPP than it is to attract a superstar midfielder or draft an elite KPP.
 

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It literally says "multiple elite players" and compares it to Hawthoren's 00s drafting.

It's a masterpiece of Essendon playing their best footy in the media once the season has ended.
It’s quite possible for Essendon’s last season’s draft hand to still turn out elite whether they are as good as Hawthorn’s from back in the day or not you do realise?

It just an example, not an exact science.

It’s like saying Matthew Lloyd was an elite full forward, that doesn’t make him as good as Tony Lockett or Jason Dunstall.
 

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Well Heppell and Smith don't really play middle anymore. Shiel is a butcher and don't think he's premiership quality, maybe if we could find a genuine elite talent to push him further down the pecking order. We lack genuine hard ball winning ability. For stoppage clearances we are 10th in the comp vs opponent and 8th for total clearances. 3rd for centre clearances but considering they only make up about a third of all clearances we are still a long way off dictating play through stoppage work.

As for building KPP first. Doggies, Hawks, now Demons and Dogs again have able to spot fix KPP, even Collingwood were a free kick away from a flag with rubbish KPP. It's far easier to trade in an adequate KPP than it is to attract a superstar midfielder or draft an elite KPP.
Beats me how Harry McKay fell out of the top 10 in the 2015 draft in hindsight.

Would dare say Essendon's finals winless streak would be over by now if you took him instead I'd Francis (whom to be fair, is turning into a quality player after years of being knocked around by mental health issues following the tragic death of his brother which is totally understandable)

It's horses for courses stuff though, North didn't take Logan McDonald because they probably thought he was a flight risk of going back to WA at some point (or they rated Phillips higher, whom to be honest, looks like he will be a star/A grader)
 

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It literally says "multiple elite players" and compares it to Hawthoren's 00s drafting.

It's a masterpiece of Essendon playing their best footy in the media once the season has ended.
It references Hawthorn's drafting as a fantastic example of where picking multiple first round selections in one draft set a side up for long-term success.

The rest is you filling in the blanks that aren't there.

It's OK if you think Cox, Perkins and Reid will be as good as Franklin, Roughead and Lewis, but no one actually said that.
 

andrewb

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Beats me how Harry McKay fell out of the top 10 in the 2015 draft in hindsight.

Would dare say Essendon's finals winless streak would be over by now if you took him instead I'd Francis (whom to be fair, is turning into a quality player after years of being knocked around by mental health issues following the tragic death of his brother which is totally understandable)

It's horses for courses stuff though, North didn't take Logan McDonald because they probably thought he was a flight risk of going back to WA at some point (or they rated Phillips higher, whom to be honest, looks like he will be a star/A grader)
Mate you campaigners have Harry McKay, Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Curnow, etc and you are still awful.

Dodoro gets us great personnel. You guys have got great personnel.

Great personnel means fu** all if culture is bad.

Hopefully Rutten is fixing that, but considering the last 20 years the light at the end of the tunnel is just as likely to be a train coming the other way.
 

Juddernaut08

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Mate you campaigners have Harry McKay, Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Curnow, etc and you are still awful.

Dodoro gets us great personnel. You guys have got great personnel.

Great personnel means fu** all if culture is bad.

Hopefully Rutten is fixing that, but considering the last 20 years the light at the end of the tunnel is just as likely to be a train coming the other way.
Coherent gameplan goes a long way too.
 

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Coherent gameplan goes a long way too.
I think Carlton’s biggest improvement will come with an improved midfield assuming you get Cerra and Hewett. Cripps probably can’t play any worse than 2021 and surely some of the plethora of recent high draft picks spent on mids improve this off-season.

All of a sudden Carlton go from regularly having Curnow performing as their second best mid to genuinely batting 4 or 5 deep.
 

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I think Carlton’s biggest improvement will come with an improved midfield assuming you get Cerra and Hewett. Cripps probably can’t play any worse than 2021 and surely some of the plethora of recent high draft picks spent on mids improve this off-season.

All of a sudden Carlton go from regularly having Curnow performing as their second best mid to genuinely batting 4 or 5 deep.
Yeah meteoric rises like we saw from Parish this year give hope for the likes of Dow. I still think our biggest problem was our defensive coaching. Worst in the league just from a strategy point of view.

North piled on a whole stack of goals to crush us. Our system couldn't stop any momentum.
 

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