Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[matthew_s]

love me some Cox

One swallow does not a summer make.

 

[citizen-erased]

Probably picked the best player in last year's draft love me some Cox

flashy enough to get the RS votes. big man, moves like a gazelle
he keeps picking it up off the deck and not breaking stride towards goal, the hype will build.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Probably picked the best player in last year's draft love me some Cox

I would still take McDonald and Ugle-Hagan over him in a heartbeat.

 

[Milanista28]

I would still take McDonald and Ugle-Hagan over him in a heartbeat.

Both spuds, Cox is an evolved Bontempelli

 

[citizen-erased]

Both spuds, Cox is an evolved Bontempelli

Archie only just warming up too.

 

[7zark7]

I would still take McDonald and Ugle-Hagan over him in a heartbeat.

That's probably why they went earlier in the draft.

Catch up turbo.

 

[Arctic fox]

I would still take McDonald and Ugle-Hagan over him in a heartbeat.

McDonald had 2 kicks tonight and Ugle-Hagan hasn't played yet.

 

[matthew_s]

McDonald had 2 kicks tonight and Ugle-Hagan hasn't played yet.

and your fella could still end up the next joe daniher - known more for not playing and a shitty moustache than footy.

It's round 4. get a grip.

 

[Roby]

The thread titke is still correctct. Dodo could've had Cox and Dunkley. Along with Phillips, McDonald or DGB.

With a better list manager the Dons would be 3-1. Oh.

 

[JamesCroft89]

That's probably why they went earlier in the draft.

Catch up turbo.

Someone said Cox is probably the best player from the draft, and I disputed that. What's the problem?

McDonald had 2 kicks tonight and Ugle-Hagan hasn't played yet.

So?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

The thread titke is still correctct. Dodo could've had Cox and Dunkley. Along with Phillips, McDonald or DGB.

With a better list manager the Dons would be 3-1. Oh.

Doubt it, used the first pick to take Cox which was what the dogs were asking for along with a future first.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Doubt it, used the first pick to take Cox which was what the dogs were asking for

And wouldn't have been able to use.

along with a future first.

Except that was just an initial demand. There is every chance the dogs would've accepted a future first + a future second, but Dodoro shut the door and refused to negotiate any deal involving Essendon's future first, hence the subject matter of this thread.

If you're valuing an unnamed 17 year old over a proven gun like Josh Dunkley, chances are you're not a very good list manager.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

And wouldn't have been able to use.

Except that was just an initial demand. There is every chance the dogs would've accepted a future first + a future second, but Dodoro shut the door and refused to negotiate any deal involving Essendon's future first, hence the subject matter of this thread.

If you're valuing an unnamed 17 year old over a proven gun like Josh Dunkley, chances are you're not a very good list manager.

The option to live trade would have been the go. Bargin deal and then trade on draft night once the bid has been done. Gotta be creative.

Dunkley is fine. He's a good player but would have been another Shiel for us. No player outside the top 15 in the comp is worth more than a single first rounder. Valuing the right unnamed 17 year is old is premium.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Dunkley is fine. He's a good player but would have been another Shiel for us. No player outside the top 15 in the comp is worth more than a single first rounder. Valuing the right unnamed 17 year is old is premium.

Congratulations on having the exact same list management outlook as Melbourne did from 2007-2009. What a successful era that turned out to be.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Congratulations on having the exact same list management outlook as Melbourne did from 2007-2009. What a successful era that turned out to be.

Which is because of draft errors not strategy, they could have walked away with Dangerfield, Nic Nat and Martin.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Which is because of draft errors not strategy, they could have walked away with Dangerfield, Nic Nat and Martin.

I'm pretty sure Shaun Burgoyne wasn't a top 15 player in the competition in 2009, and he was injury prone too. Didn't stop Hawthorn from coughing up not one, but two first rounders.

What a deal for Port, hey? While Hawthorn got one solitary player, Port drafted two superstars in Andrew Moore and Jasper McMillan-Pittard. How stupid were the Hawks in that trade?!

Then you have Brad Ottens in 2004. Nowhere near a top 15 player, nor did he become one, but still cost Geelong two first rounders. Do they regret it? While teams like Melbourne and Essendon rotted away at the bottom, hording their precious draft picks, Geelong were too busy winning 3 flags with Ottens playing a pivotal role.

How about a more recent example: Dion Prestia. I remember everyone was mocking Richmond for giving up pick 6 for him, no doubt people like yourself were the first to laugh at them. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I'm pretty sure Shaun Burgoyne wasn't a top 15 player in the competition in 2009, and he was injury prone too. Didn't stop Hawthorn from coughing up not one, but two first rounders.

What a deal for Port, hey? While Hawthorn got one solitary player, Port drafted two superstars in Andrew Moore and Jasper McMillan-Pittard. How stupid were the Hawks in that trade?!

Then you have Brad Ottens in 2004. Nowhere near a top 15 player, nor did he become one, but still cost Geelong two first rounders. Do they regret it? While teams like Melbourne and Essendon rotted away at the bottom, hording their precious draft picks, Geelong were too busy winning 3 flags with Ottens playing a pivotal role.

How about a more recent example: Dion Prestia. I remember everyone was mocking Richmond for giving up pick 6 for him, no doubt people like yourself were the first to laugh at them. Nothing more needs to be said.

Picks in the same draft are not the same as the current future pick scenario I was referring to. With a single draft you know the draft pool, future trading becomes a game of luck instead of craft. Cox plus Horne/Sinn/Johnson/Sonsie is far too much to gamble with on any player less than young and elite. No way close to current day setup.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Cox plus

Is your loyalty to Dodoro so strong you have to keep perpetuating this fallacy?

Horne/Sinn/Johnson/Sonsie is far too much to gamble

If you think any one of these players is more valuable than Josh Dunkley, you are delusional.

Whichever club crafts them would be thrilled if they ended up as good as Dunkley.

Proven guns >>>>>>> unproven 17 year olds.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Is your loyalty to Dodoro so strong you have to keep perpetuating this fallacy?


If you think any one of these players is more valuable than Josh Dunkley, you are delusional.

Whichever club crafts them would be thrilled if they ended up as good as Dunkley.

Proven guns >>>>>>> unproven 17 year olds.

What fallacy? There has never been any suggestion except for yours that they were going to accept only a future first + second.

23 year old Nathan Jones>>>>>> 17 year old Dustin Martin. Brilliant, no way should Melbourne have done that trade. Stating something as fact doesn't make it so.

 

[JamesCroft89]

What fallacy? There has never been any suggestion except for yours that they were going to accept only a future first + second.

The only thing known for sure was that Dodoro refused to put Essendon's future first on the table. There is no evidence suggesting the Doggies were refusing to compromise for anything less than two first rounders.

23 year old Nathan Jones>>>>>> 17 year old Dustin Martin. Brilliant, no way should Melbourne have done that trade.

This is such a stupid post. I'm not even going to bother anymore, you're finished.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Proven guns >>>>>>> unproven 17 year olds.

Proven gun? Dunkley has played half a season of A-grade football. He's a good player who may turn into a great one but the Dogs were asking for too much (as they had the right to do) and I'm not regretting our decision to prioritise youth instead. He may well ask for a trade again anyway.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Proven gun? Dunkley has played half a season of A-grade football. He's a good player who may turn into a great one but the Dogs were asking for too much (as they had the right to do) and I'm not regretting our decision to prioritise youth instead. He may well ask for a trade again anyway.

You mean one and a half?
His second half of 2018 was A-grade, or at least borderline A-grade.
In 2019 he finished top 10 in the coaches votes. That's pretty much the definition of A-grade.

You can't accuse the Bulldogs of asking too much, because it was your club that refused to trade your future first under any circumstance. Dodoro confirmed that much in his interview after the deadline. You keep harping on about how the Doggies asked for two firsts, but at the end of the day, some deal involving the future first probably would've been enough. Alas, your list manager prioritised an unspecified 17 year old over a gun 23 year old in his prime.

 

[Desync]

I'm glad we didn't trade for Dunkley then and I'm even happier we didn't trade for Dunkley now.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

The only thing known for sure was that Dodoro refused to put Essendon's future first on the table. There is no evidence suggesting the Doggies were refusing to compromise for anything less than two first rounders.


This is such a stupid post. I'm not even going to bother anymore, you're finished.

It's not stupid you're just forgetting it's happened: While not many teams would make a trade like that; Hawthorn gave up Croad to get Hodge. A proven mid-high level talent for an unproven talent that fitted a greater need and had a greater scope for building around. This non-trade is essentially that same decision. The decision to approach and then not follow through seems strange but there were clearly list management disagreements going on at the time considering the removal of Richardson shortly after.

It might backfire but with the decision you can see an obvious vision of the future the club has in mind.

 

[JamesCroft89]

It's not stupid

Comparing Josh Dunkley to Nathan Jones is as stupid as it gets. You lost all your credibility right then and there.