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Max Baker said:
Was 2000 a tin pot competition?
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It was a Bradbury year when the powerhouse of the 90s - North - finally began to fade - and before the rise of the true 2000s gun teams like Brisbane, Sydney and West Coast.

Its a nothing flag.

93 was salary cap cheated for and then we're back into the 12 team VFL.
 
MaddAdam said:
It was a Bradbury year when the powerhouse of the 90s - North - finally began to fade - and before the rise of the true 2000s gun teams like Brisbane, Sydney and West Coast.

Its a nothing flag.

93 was salary cap cheated for and then we're back into the 12 team VFL.
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All your flags are nothing too. All four of them
 
Jade has convinced me Essendon are a professional, well run football business, who through no fault of their own broke rule 1.6. A rule which is vague at best.

Forgot what the rest of the thread was about tbh. I am also in the market for a timeshare unit, if anyone has one to sell me.
 
MaddAdam said:
It was a Bradbury year when the powerhouse of the 90s - North - finally began to fade - and before the rise of the true 2000s gun teams like Brisbane, Sydney and West Coast.

Its a nothing flag.

93 was salary cap cheated for and then we're back into the 12 team VFL.
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It's a nothing flag.....

Right......

Even though Essendon that year has the AFL world record for highest winning margin average for a season and holds the record for highest score in any Finals game of 198 against the reining premiers....

Yeah, nothing flag...

Alright then..

It was the millenium cup, won in grand style..

It should be gold plated with diamonds..
 

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Mootsy said:
It's a nothing flag.....

Right......

Even though Essendon that year has the AFL world record for highest winning margin average for a season and holds the record for highest score in any Finals game of 198 against the reining premiers....

Yeah, nothing flag...

Alright then..

It was the millenium cup, won in grand style..

It should be gold plated with diamonds..
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Lleyton Hewitt (Essendon) was also once number one for a long period.

Nobody suggests he's the equal of Federer.
 
MaddAdam said:
He's not AA quality. If he was, he'd be - All Australian.

He could do a lot of stuff. So COULD lots of blokes. He has potential, sure, so do lots of blokes.

Pick 5 these days is pretty much guaranteeing a very good to top notch player short of unlucky injuries.

Jake Stringer was a pick 5 and he's already actual AA quality. He hasn't taken years to develop.

The last two pick 5s - Jordan De Goey and Kade Kolodshnblahblah have shown plenty already.

Ben Cunnington was a pick 5 and while he had a few injury issues early on, he's now an absolute blue chip inside midfielder.

Premiership players like Lance Franklin and Jarrad McVeigh were pick 5s. SCOTT PENDLEBURY WAS PICK 5.

FFS Michael Hurley was a pick 5, he's actual All Australian quality.

Jake Carlisle is not worth pick 5. Especially not after that shocking behaviour at the end of the season.
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And what about recent pick 24s?
 
If that Essendon team were so good, surely they must have gone to win more ... oh that's right, they didn't.

Back on topic Essendon have ben hard to deal with always, largely because they massively overrate themselves (see this thread)

Greg Miller commented on it ages ago.
 
The drunken buffoon Sheedy is the key cause, with the Santo Cilauro character apeing him.

Hopefully the new regime that will come in soon gets rid of these last vestiges of bad Essendon, and the club can move towards being a professionally and effectively run operation that is respected by its peers.
 
MaddAdam said:
He's not AA quality. If he was, he'd be - All Australian.

He could do a lot of stuff. So COULD lots of blokes. He has potential, sure, so do lots of blokes.

Pick 5 these days is pretty much guaranteeing a very good to top notch player short of unlucky injuries.

Jake Stringer was a pick 5 and he's already actual AA quality. He hasn't taken years to develop.

The last two pick 5s - Jordan De Goey and Kade Kolodshnblahblah have shown plenty already.

Ben Cunnington was a pick 5 and while he had a few injury issues early on, he's now an absolute blue chip inside midfielder.

Premiership players like Lance Franklin and Jarrad McVeigh were pick 5s. SCOTT PENDLEBURY WAS PICK 5.

FFS Michael Hurley was a pick 5, he's actual All Australian quality.

Jake Carlisle is not worth pick 5. Especially not after that shocking behaviour at the end of the season.
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Very well said! Do you mind if I repost this on the Carlisle thread every few hours until the deal is done!? :D

hench said:
And what about recent pick 24s?
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He's not worth 24 either. This is just Negotiating 101. One side starts high, the other starts low and eventually you end up somewhere in the middle, which is what we'll be working towards.
 

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Jade said:
Oh ho ho, god I love it when people trip over their own dribble.

A business can be not-for-profit, or it can be state owned. Matter of fact, a business can undertake any commercial activity it likes without necessarily paying profits or dividends. Go ahead, look it up.

Matter of fact, I wouldn't even bother, it's so basic and common sense that the fact you have to look it up is freakin hilarious.

So this statement;

"Yes businesses pay profits to the owners. That's a dividend. They are legally required to maximise profits. A football club is not a business. I don't know how many more ways I can say this to make you understand."

is what, your third FACTUALLY incorrect statement in this thread?

And yes, a football club IS a business (well at the very least AFL clubs are).

I gotta tell ya, it tickles me just right when people mash their keyboards thinking they are being clever, only to get found out for not having the slightest idea what they are talking about on the subject matter.
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:$ Who's mashing the keyboard? See if you can add a bit more emotion to your posts please.

Are you now arguing against your original point here? Either Essendon FC are a 'business' with an aim of making profit, or they're a football club with an aim of winning games of football and profit is a pretty poor indicator of performance.
 
Beer n Skittles said:
:$ Who's mashing the keyboard? See if you can add a bit more emotion to your posts please.

Are you now arguing against your original point here? Either Essendon FC are a 'business' with an aim of making profit, or they're a football club with an aim of winning games of football and profit is a pretty poor indicator of performance.
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Yeah..... neither were my point.

Look at you backpedaling desperately away from your laughably exposed ignorance.
 
patfootball04 said:
Can someone please explain how Carlisle being contracted would increase his value when he is just going to sign a new deal with St Kilda?
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It increases Essendon's bargaining position with other clubs at the trade table.

If a trade cannot be brokered then Carlisle must honour his contract and play with Essendon in 2016.
Or he could sit out of football, learn how to pull a beer and get a job as a bartender.

If he was out of contract, then he could nominate for either draft and Essendon would get nothing for him.
He could use that as leverage against Essendon and force them to accept 'unders' in any trade.
 
Gavin Excell said:
Been out most of the day. Any progression on the deal?
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The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'

Just like in 2014, when Essendon had to go to mediation when Port were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Ryder

Just like in 2013, when Essendon had to go to mediation when the Bulldogs were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Crameri

Just like in 2011, when Essendon had to go to mediation when GC were being 'unreasonable' over Essendon's negotiations for Caddy

But this is all a totally unexpected outcome
 
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Enclosed_Animal said:
The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'

Just like in 2014, when Essendon had to go to mediation when Port were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Ryder

Just like in 2013, when Essendon had to go to mediation when the Bulldogs were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Crameri

Just like in 2012, when Essendon had to go to mediation when GC were being 'unreasonable' over Essendon's negotiations for Caddy

But this is all a totally unexpected outcome
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Pick 24 and Hickey was offered.

We have four ruckman on our list. Try again.
 

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Paul_Barnard said:
'Effectively run', quality post..
You realize EFC gets taxed under equalization rules with that money going to the AFL future funds etc for your club to exist.
You should be thankful clubs like EFC are so effectively run..
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You have a source for your claim? Because last time I checked Essendon were NOT one of the biggest contributors to the new equalisation tax.

And larger clubs supporting the smaller clubs is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. We actually need to rock up and play opposition week to week; not much point if we don't share the spoils and everyone goes broke.
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'

Just like in 2014, when Essendon had to go to mediation when Port were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Ryder

Just like in 2013, when Essendon had to go to mediation when the Bulldogs were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Crameri

Just like in 2012, when Essendon had to go to mediation when GC were being 'unreasonable' over Essendon's negotiations for Caddy

But this is all a totally unexpected outcome
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You wonder if essendons reputation decreases the value of essendon players at the trade table with other clubs wondering if trying to negotiate with them is worth the effort.
 
DBAH0 said:
Except that Hooker wasn't an AA Defender 3-4 years ago, and was basically getting thrown in like "Steak Knives" ALA Jack Crisp.
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No he wasn't, but he was an obviously talented KPP, which Gold Coast were (and still are to be honest) lacking, and a first round pick.

Anyone that still thinks Essendon was being unreasonable in that trade is extraordinarily ill-informed.

Reality is, Gold Coast wanted to set a precedent that it's list couldn't be poached - fair enough I suppose; but Essendon certainly were very reasonable in their offer.
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'
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To be honest, you are not offering fair value. Pick 5 is overs, but its St. Kilda's job to get a reasonable pick to satisfy Essendon. Pick 5 is closer to the value then what you are offering.

Basically it is going to mediation because St. Kilda dont have fair value.

But you are trying to get fair value by getting multiple first rounders for pick 5
 
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