AFC 2006 Official Trade Thread.

[WaynesWorld19]

Very dissapointing if we are not going to land anyone in Trade Week.

Why?????

Trade week is like for like ....so how are we worse off than at the beginning of the week?

 

[Gets!]

By trading players we have are in abundance of for ones we are not we can come out better at the end of trade week.

Perrie, VB and pick 14 for Pav! Whatever, just get him!

 

[Cap]

Then trade into the top 3 and get a KPP

Seriously, I think since Craig has taken over the trade week has become a non-event for us. Other than players wanting out (Stinger and Watts) and offering fringe players we have not been active at all.

I sometimes wonder does Craig realise that trading is equally important as drafting and development of the players. He sure as hell doesn't act like it.

We most certainly should be much more aggressive in the trade week than we have been in the last couple of years.

do you honestly think that as a SA based club trading really have much revelance apart from welcoming players home or sending them back to vic ?

name 1 big trade that non vic club has pulled off that doesn't involve a disgruntled player or a player with questionable off field antics ? or just wants to go home ?

 

[Stiffy_18]

do you honestly think that as a SA based club trading really have much revelance apart from welcoming players home or sending them back to vic ?

name 1 big trade that non vic club has pulled off that doesn't involve a disgruntled player or a player with questionable off field antics ? or just wants to go home ?

Paul Williams?

But why "eliminate" these scenarios. Last year people were very sceptical of going after Fevola because of his questionable antics off the field and lack of effort on it. 12 months down the track we have a Coleman medallist, AA full forward and a great leadership example to young blues.

Why not take a punt?! Just because someone might have a questionable attitude, it doesn't mean they are not worth it. If Tarrant goes to WC, watch him transform into a great player and play his best footy there.

Sometimes you need to take current club culture into account with these things. Barry Hall was a trouble maker at St. Kilda and he has been excellent and completely different in Sydney. Tony Lockett before him was pretty much the same.

I am still of belief that if Polak goes to the right club he will turn it around just like the players I have mentioned above.

Sitting back and not taking risks will not get you anywhere in life. I am not saying to be stupid about it but there are some calculated risks with potential high return. Why shouldn't we take a punt on someone like that?! Because we wouldn't like to lose a good average player?

Lets not forget that Andrew McLeod trade at the time was a pretty big risk on our part but it paid off in bucketloads. We paid a fair bit for Jarman at the time but it sure as hell paid off.

Why not take a punt on Tarrant or Polak etc?!

 

[macca23]

Why not take a punt on Tarrant or Polak etc?!

Question.

Will getting either of those two guarantee us a flag??

Tarrant in particular won't come cheap, and I doubt that he would. Polak wouldn't.

Why mortgage our future unless it's going to have a dramatic effect on our immediate premiership chances?

If we were after Pavlich, I'd support your comments.

But not for Tarrant or Polak.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Question.

Will getting either of those two guarantee us a flag??

Tarrant in particular won't come cheap, and I doubt that he would. Polak wouldn't.

Why mortgage our future unless it's going to have a dramatic effect on our immediate premiership chances?

If we were after Pavlich, I'd support your comments.

But not for Tarrant or Polak.

Nothing will guarantee us a flag but those 2 could get us closer to it.

If we were only to do deals that will guarantee us a flag then we woudln't make any deals at all.

When we traded for Fudd, did that trade at the time guarantee us a flag?! We are miles off.

 

[macca23]

Nothing will guarantee us a flag but those 2 could get us closer to it.

If we were only to do deals that will guarantee us a flag then we woudln't make any deals at all.

When we traded for Fudd, did that trade at the time guarantee us a flag?! We are miles off.

But Stiffy, I'm glad you raised the Darren Jarman trade.

That's the type of trade we need to do. Quality players that cost but raise the overall standard of the team in lumps and can win matches off their own boot.

Barry Hall is the trade that won Sydney the flag in 2005.

That's the type of trade I want to see us do and they're as rare as hen's teeth.

Not that I'm against trading for those type of players that form a solid platform of the club - as long as they're not too costly.

 

[Stiffy_18]

But Stiffy, I'm glad you raised the Darren Jarman trade.

That's the type of trade we need to do. Quality players that cost but raise the overall standard of the team in lumps and can win matches off their own boot.

Barry Hall is the trade that won Sydney the flag in 2005.

That's the type of trade I want to see us do and they're as rare as hen's teeth.

Not that I'm against trading for those type of players that form a solid platform of the club - as long as they're not too costly.

In 2001 when Barry decided to head to Sydney he was widely considered a risk in terms of his character and off field issues. He was no different in 2001 than Fevola was last year but 12 months ago there was hardly anyone here he would have done the trade (me included) because of the price it would cost us. Sydney traded 2 first round draft picks and needed to take on some serious salary in order to get the trade over the line.

This character issues like Tarrant's are no big deal. These things can change with people maturing and change in club culture. Tarrant on his day is a match winner.

 

[macca23]

In 2001 when Barry decided to head to Sydney he was widely considered a risk in terms of his character and off field issues. He was no different in 2001 than Fevola was last year but 12 months ago there was hardly anyone here he would have done the trade (me included) because of the price it would cost us. Sydney traded 2 first round draft picks and needed to take on some serious salary in order to get the trade over the line.

This character issues like Tarrant's are no big deal. These things can change with people maturing and change in club culture. Tarrant on his day is a match winner.

This is the part I'm not convinced about Stiffy. I just don't see him in the same class as a Hall, a Pavlich etc. The character part doesn't worry me. That can be corrected.

I might be wrong, but I just don't have a huge opinion of Tarrant who I see as not much more than a tall HFF.

 

[Stiffy_18]

This is the part I'm not convinced about Stiffy. I just don't see him in the same class as a Hall, a Pavlich etc. The character part doesn't worry me. That can be corrected.

I might be wrong, but I just don't have a huge opinion of Tarrant who I see as not much more than a tall HFF.

Tarrant was AA not that long ago. Talent is definetly not an issue here

Hall was no where near AA status when he got traded and he was around the same age Tarrant is now

 

[Cap]

Paul Williams?

But why "eliminate" these scenarios. Last year people were very sceptical of going after Fevola because of his questionable antics off the field and lack of effort on it. 12 months down the track we have a Coleman medallist, AA full forward and a great leadership example to young blues.

Firstly I think Williams asked to go to Sydney

however you missed my point - Trade week is pretty much a non-event unless it involves the type of players I mentioned. You can take risks I agree but we never have the opportunity to take the risks.

I will try and rephrase for original point. When has a big named victorian player wanted to come to Adelaide ? we couldn't even attract Troy Selwood who at the time was a fringe player for Brisbane.

Tarrant is only heading West in search for a flag - I don;t think Adelaide is prepared to fork out for tarrant which I understand as really ATM he probably isn;t worth a great deal.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I cant believe we are not having a red hot crack for Polak.

 

[tinman]

I cant believe we are not having a red hot crack for Polak.

If Freo are trying as hard as they can to get Tarrant and Soloman, then they will have to trade someone away.

Polak hasn't shown much at AFL level, can take a contested mark but his disposal is poor and committment questionable. His size amd mobility make him an attractive proposition.

He would be worth a punt provided the asking price was OK. I'm sure Freo would be looking at a 1st rounder for him. Maybe they'd take a high second round pick - which we don't have at the moment.

 

[marvin]

Then trade into the top 3 and get a KPP

The last team to trade a top 3 pick was.....

Oh that's right, us.

It just doesn't happen.

Seriously, I think since Craig has taken over the trade week has become a non-event for us. Other than players wanting out (Stinger and Watts) and offering fringe players we have not been active at all.

We were pretty aggressive in moving in for Scott Thompson.

I sometimes wonder does Craig realise that trading is equally important as drafting and development of the players. He sure as hell doesn't act like it.

We most certainly should be much more aggressive in the trade week than we have been in the last couple of years.

Why?

Apart from the Jarman multi-club blockbuster, which was win-win for all, we've had most success from trading low. Rouvray for Caven. Eccles for Massie. Pick 44 for Matt Connell. Pick 63 for Bond. Brett James for Jonathon Ross. Mark Stevens for McCartney. Bassett for Collins and Williams. Torney as the throw-in on the Carey deal.

If the right player is out there for the right price, let's make the move. I hate to see a trade for a trade's sake (and heaven knows, that happens often enough close to 2pm just so GM's and recruiters can say "we did something").

 

[bus24]

Suggestion is

We are trading 14 away for Birss and Faulkner - BAHAHAHAH

You have to be joking.

 

[AndrewJo]

Suggestion is

We are trading 14 away for Birss and Faulkner - BAHAHAHAH

You have to be joking.

I would hope that we are trading for players like Schmidt and Willoughby from the Swans.South Australians who had all-Australian selections in u/16 and also u/18, and who have not played regularly at The Swans. I'd also go and test Heath Grundy.

 

[bus24]

Yeh but not for pick 14 though.

Especially Birss and Faulkner for 14

 

[Cap]

what a boring bloody week

maybe we can get a 40 week season with a 10 week preseason

 

[Stiffy_18]

what a boring bloody week

maybe we can get a 40 week season with a 10 week preseason

I think the trade week is one big pisstake.

The clubs have been talking and posterousing for a month now and they need until friday to get the trades done

I think the AFL should give them 2 days. Thursday, let the recruiters have their tea and coffee with some biscuits as they do on monday's nowdays and get the deals done on friday.

Even now, I can just about bet that teams have agreed on deals but won't lodge them until friday and then they whinge about not lodging the trades on time

 

[Crow-mo]

what happened to us leaving no stone unturned trying to get Gibbs?

 

[swanfan]

what happened to us leaving no stone unturned trying to get Gibbs?

The stone got crushed by a big boulder called the AFL.

 

[macca23]

I think the trade week is one big pisstake.

The clubs have been talking and posterousing for a month now and they need until friday to get the trades done

I think the AFL should give them 2 days. Thursday, let the recruiters have their tea and coffee with some biscuits as they do on monday's nowdays and get the deals done on friday.

Even now, I can just about bet that teams have agreed on deals but won't lodge them until friday and then they whinge about not lodging the trades on time

Not wrong there Stiffy - it's a bloody charade!!

If I read the scene correctly it's all about West Coast trying to stare down Collinwood on the price of Tarrant. If the Tarrant deal was resolved or withdrawn, I think the other deals would all fall into place.

I'd make the trade period 3 days. One for the bikkies and cups of tea, one to get serious, and the third to do it.

It doesn't need more than that.

 

[GoSarge]

The clubs have been talking and posterousing for a month now and they need until friday to get the trades done

Even now, I can just about bet that teams have agreed on deals but won't lodge them until friday and then they whinge about not lodging the trades on time

You know what its like. Pick 27 is offered for Player X, both clubs are secretly happy with the deal, but the team that currently has Player X holds out for longer trying to bluff the other team in to offering more. Other clubs will offer a ridiculously late pick for Player X hoping that the a club will roll over at 1.58pm and accept the deal.

Half the issue is many recruitment teams are scared of making a mistake and wont trade unless heaven and earth is moved for a particular player.

 

[Crow-mo]

the whole player movement mechanism is deeply flawed.

the PSD threat is allowing big holdoffs, because teams do not have to make a deal. even if it's in the best interests.

the one week thing, puts too much pressure on as well. not that it is one week long, but there is only a 1 week window. things backup, and everyone is waiting for the first sale to open the market prices.

it's getting worse, and less trades are done, because the mechanism is broken. F-ck, when carlton start threatening to redraft their own players, something is very wrong.

one improvement which is a must, is the ability to trade draft picks during the draft. so if a player of particular interest slides, 2 teams can make a swap if someone else really wants him.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not wrong there Stiffy - it's a bloody charade!!

If I read the scene correctly it's all about West Coast trying to stare down Collinwood on the price of Tarrant. If the Tarrant deal was resolved or withdrawn, I think the other deals would all fall into place.

I'd make the trade period 3 days. One for the bikkies and cups of tea, one to get serious, and the third to do it.

It doesn't need more than that.

Given mot of th trades are hinging on the Tarrat deal, we better hope that the Pies have their fax machine working thi time don't leave everyhing to the last minute!