List Mgmt. AFC - 2014 Drafting and Trading

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It comes as simple as this. Can they tell the players exactly what they were given? The answer is a no from them. They have said this over and over that they don't know. If all of a sudden it becomes a yes, then why has it taken 2 years for them to do so? That is another breach that should be considered in the length of time that it took. The players had 2 years of conjecture and worry when the club could have cleared it up earlier, but didn't because they were trying to save their own arses and really don't give a shit about the players no matter their media bleating otherwise.
Great post Nikki!

ASADA have copies of the invoices with the drug supplement names. AFL would know the details as would Essendon, which would have paid for these invoices & would have copies too.

Whilst there is no direct proof the players took drugs (unless they specifically mentioned in their formal interviews), the onus is on the players to disprove that they did not take these "supplements" with the just cause notices. The assumption is unless it can be proved otherwise, these supplements have been ingested as part of the injection program... as they no longer exist.

Essendon are just dragging out the inevitable, hoping that they can get off on some legal technicality.

It is a joke their draft sanctions were less than AFC's over Tippett-gate. Not saying our punishment was unfair, but Essendon have tarnished the AFL's image far, far more extensively than AFC... but then Demetriou was a joke this regard.

So whilst I would certainly be interested in a Ryder or Carlisle, if they can get out of their contracts, I think it is inevitable that these guys will get a suspension at some stage. Perhaps by jumping ship & telling the truth, they may get some leniency.
 

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According to The Age, the Powder are in the box seat to get Ryder. While we are not actually going for him.
Our Club needs to turn a complete 180 and move forward we need to be perceived as a great destination for a player to land in. We need to kick start and rebuild this Club, there is plenty of great things in place that form the foundation which we have but we really need to start to remind the AFL world that we are the number 1 Club in this state and one of the powerhouses in the AFL.
I think Adelaide itself, as a location, is now an attractive place for players to be. This is thanks mainly to the brilliant Adelaide Oval and the insane crowds we get there. What player doesn't want to play most of his games on a world-class arena in front of big crowds? It's the same carrot the Pies have been able to dangle in front of prospective recruits (huge crowds at the G) over the years.

So, this is a plus for both Port and Us. However, Port have the current recruiting advantage, because - let's be honest - they are a better performing team than us at the moment. Their finals chances for the next few years appear to be rock solid, whereas ours are a lot more iffy. We just have to accept that they have an extra carrot, that we don't have.

I'm not saying we give up on a particular player if he wants to play in Adelaide, it's just that it is tougher for us. The circle will turn at some stage. Hell, it may even turn next year.
 

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We've made it to 400 pages. Can we get to 500 before trade week even starts? Tbh, I like our chances.
I said this last Thursday. We've had 90 pages since then. ~2,250 posts in 6 days at ~375 posts a day.

I think my prediction was bang on.
 
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Isn't Ryder exactly the sort of player we need?
Would be very handy, yes. Port need him more as they don't have a genuine 2nd ruck/forward. For us, he would be displacing Jenkins from our forward line. Structurally, not much difference for us, but an upgrade in talent (especially rucking-wise). Let's not forget that JJ booted 40 goals this year. I don't think any other forward/ruckman came close to that this year.
 

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Danger would be nuts to go to Geelong. They have 9 players who played 20+ Games this year who are over 30 years old. He would be leaving the crows just when our suite of young guys are hitting the 50 to 100 game mark and playing with a team half full of rookies for the next 5 years.
 

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Isn't Ryder exactly the sort of player we need?
Exactly what I have been thinking all along in this JC "fishy" saga. If those rumours are true, we are no doubt targeting someone that would make a difference but he doesn't fill our biggest needs. Meanwhile Frawley and Ryder, who fill our needs perfectly and may both cost nothing, seem to be nowhere in the AFC rumour mill. It would be especially galling if PP end up getting Ryder and we didn't bother to pursue. I hope with our new management we move away from what appears to me to be a scattergun approach to recruiting and dare I say it, follow PP. They seem much better, in recent history, of targeting to fill their needs. I live in hope that despite rumours on BF, we are actually doing the same.
 

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Would be very handy, yes. Port need him more as they don't have a genuine 2nd ruck/forward. For us, he would be displacing Jenkins from our forward line. Structurally, not much difference for us, but an upgrade in talent (especially rucking-wise). Let's not forget that JJ booted 40 goals this year. I don't think any other forward/ruckman came close to that this year.
I think we're trying to turn JJ into forward/ruckman, but let's face it, he's not there and may never be. I think we would be better off leaving JJ as a KPF and filling our need with someone that can be a forward and a genuine ruck option.
 

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I said this last Thursday. We've had 90 pages since then. ~2,250 posts in 6 days at ~375 posts a day.

I think my prediction was bang on.
My trade hypothetical posts could get us over the line on their own!

Lets say JC signs with GWS for 8 years tomorrow, what's our backup plan? Best hypothetical wins....
 

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Think about this - just with the part of your brain that ignores logic ...

Danger / Sloane / Tex all take a moderate pay cut to ensure the team stays together.

We get Cameron. He likes what he sees with the above and also likes the look of the new CEO's direction.

Players like Frawley start to think - that club has a good chance of success - I'll go there.
Stopped reading here. :D

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GOAT spine.
 

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Going after Aish is also contingent on Cameron not being available. This is going to be a fascinating trade time.

Most of the eggs need to go into the Cameron basket, then Aish. I dont think we are any chance to get Frawley.
I'd put Aish as the #1 priority, much, much higher than Cameron.

We already have one of the most potent and best performing forward lines in the competition. This year we were the 3rd highest scoring team (only marginally behind Port) and the 4th most efficient at converting F50 entries into scoring shots. Adding Cameron to a forward line that already contains Tex, Betts & JJ (and potentially Cameron & Lynch) is only likely to result in a relatively minor gain to our scoring potential.

Our midfield, on the other hand, could always do with a boost in class. 2015 will almost certainly be Thompson's last year. A midfield with Danger, Sloane, Crouch & Aish is potentially much stronger than a midfield without Aish.

Aish is likely to cost us less than JC and his presence would add more benefit than JC. That's two damn good reasons why Aish should be our #1 target, not JC.
 

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They were talking about players of Dangerfield's quality with his skillset. Danger, and a fit one at that (think first half of 2012) is one of a kind. Nat Fyfe is a different player altogether.

Did you also happen to watch last years GF by any chance, how terrible Fyfe was? People are always bashing Danger for his kicking, and yet I think Fyfe is just as bad, if not worse at times. Like I said, he is a dead set gun and Id welcome him to the crows with open arms if it were the case, however I may be one of very few in thinking that Fyfe is a tad overrated:D

But thats a debate for another day and not meant for this thread.
I saw Fyfe playing in the Grand Final, because his efforts & talents had played a very large part in getting his team to that position.

I saw Dangerfield running in the sprint, during the half-time break...
 

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I saw Fyfe playing in the Grand Final, because his efforts & talents had played a very large part in getting his team to that position.

I saw Dangerfield running in the sprint, during the half-time break...
Did you? I just saw a vapour cone as he broke the sound barrier.
 

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I'd put Aish as the #1 priority, much, much higher than Cameron.

We already have one of the most potent and best performing forward lines in the competition. This year we were the 3rd highest scoring team (only marginally behind Port) and the 4th most efficient at converting F50 entries into scoring shots. Adding Cameron to a forward line that already contains Tex, Betts & JJ (and potentially Cameron & Lynch) is only likely to result in a relatively minor gain to our scoring potential.

Our midfield, on the other hand, could always do with a boost in class. 2015 will almost certainly be Thompson's last year. A midfield with Danger, Sloane, Crouch & Aish is potentially much stronger than a midfield without Aish.

Aish is likely to cost us less than JC and his presence would add more benefit than JC. That's two damn good reasons why Aish should be our #1 target, not JC.
Without posting the image and with the massive assumption that both want to play for the Crows; Why not both over 2 years?

Agreed Aish would cost us less than JC but if Aish has shown any kind of desire to play for the Crows I'd prefer to get him when he's uncontracted next year.

Brisbane only received two pick upgrades for Polec. Not even a stand alone pick.
 

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Brisbane only received two pick upgrades for Polec. Not even a stand alone pick.
Polec played 16 games over 3 years with Brisbane. Including 1 game in his final year.

Aish has already played 21 games in his first year and is pretty much a lock for their best 22.

I understand that we've got a benefit at the negotiation table if he's out of contract and wanting to come home in a years time. But we still won't get a deal anything like the Polec one.
 

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I can't believe we're talking about trading in Aish AND Jeremy Cameron.

so much for this board being pessimistic! The way we're going I'm going to have to self-impose a personal media blackout until the end of trade week. Like I've said before this stress will be no good for me ;)
 
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