When does he come out of contract again?
Maybe we can pull the same trick we did with Hately. Finish bottom, offer Rankine big $$ as Gold Coast will start having salary cap pressures at some point with thier talent there.
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Maybe we can pull the same trick we did with Hately. Finish bottom, offer Rankine big $$ as Gold Coast will start having salary cap pressures at some point with thier talent there.
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It's a bit of a head scratcher the way he made his ratings. He seems to favour clubs making the more sensible, safe, value selections so he probably didn't ** quite like our perhaps slightly risky picks like Pedlar. Still B+ is one of the better scores he gave.
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A bigger deal out west.
If Matt maintains his back end of 2020 form, then there is no chance any of our developing mids will come close to overtaking him by the end of 2022 (noting Hately walks into our lineup). Matts best is an AA calibre midfielder, nor is our rebuild dependent on replacing Matt.
Regresses back to early 2020 form for long enough and it'll happen.
Of all our experienced players, Matt is probably the only two you could rubber stamp will be in our best 22 in 2023-24 if he chooses to hang around, and nothing goes drastically wrong with his production. After all our midfield is built around a functioning Matt for the forseeable future seeing Sloane is winding down. The goal will be finding/unearthing someone who can dethrone him from that number 1 spot in the next couple of years, because whilst Matt is a fine Robin, he's no Batman.
One Pedlar, Scho, Berry or whatever combo gets up to 40-50 games and 3ish preseason, then even an in form Matt is in danger.
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That would be a great result, yes.
I think that's a bit strong. Matt will be 27 in April 2022.
Surely there is more of a punishment than this.
Otherwise, some multimillionaire footy supporter would just say to his team, you guys offer the best player in the league a million bucks a year and I'll pay the fine.
Agreed. If all our midfielders come on and eclipse Matt in the next two seasons, we'll be over the moon. Realistically, it's unlikely to happen. If he still wants to be here by then, he most likely will be. He's a very good player.
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Fair. I’m actually thinking that Hately has to go past him in the next 2 years, or he is pretty much a bust. In the sense that, he will never live up to that pre-draft super draft hype.
And if we are playing both Hately AND Matt by the end of 2022 then we will be super slow and our game plan will not have changed enough for my liking. I feel next season we can play both, but by the end of the next 2... we should have either shat or got off the pot.
I’d also expect Shoey/Jones/McHenry and possibly even Pedlar/Berry/Cook to pretty much show us whether or not they are busts by then as well. Not to mention speculatives like O’Connor.
Two seasons from now is actually a long time, because we are already 1-2 years into having a look at a lot of these mids.
I agree and your point is valid. But whoever we picked has still been rejected 70+ times as you stated in the post earlier
Tough t***ies! Thems the breaks! He is SA lad, fills a clear need on the list and we will have bucketload of $$$ coming off the books so we can make him a monster offer and if we happen to finish close to the bottom (not sure that we will be bottom by then) use that as a threat to get the deal that you want and if they don't like it, we get him via PSD.
We have been smashed by other clubs when it comes to them raiding us for our talent, its about time we grew a pair and did the same to the rest of the competition. That's why I love what we did with Hately. Pick 40 or GTFO.
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Might be strong. But we finished bottom. I want us to be a very different team by the end of 2022. To me the rebuild required pretty much gutting most of the team. Matt is in the age bracket that is “keep”, so your comment is fair. But for mine he is slow and not damaging. His position in our team is where we need to have absolute rolls royce A-graders. Matt is not one of them. I honestly can’t see us being able to play Hately and Matt in a “good” version of the crows. Too slow. Hopefully in 2 years Hately becomes a damaging big bodied mid. He then becomes the one slow guy we can afford. I’m not really talking about Matt as a second string rotation here, but sure... he could be that... but general point is ... I think we need to have improved enough to outgrow Matt in 2 years. I feel like that pace of development is par for the course of this rebuild.
personally I hope he has a great year in 2021 and we let him go as a FA.
I like the way you think, especially when the PSD is involved. The AFL is going to keep doing what it likes to us (Crouch compo as one example), so we should be maximising our ability to use the system to our advantage at every opportunity to balance it out, more so while we are near the bottom and it's a bigger advantage - or we will never be successful.
If that impacts the expansion clubs negatively, then they've been given enough concessions to survive, and the AFL will just give them more to make up for it.
That's the easy part. Even the competition's best players get traded to the club of their choice once they've stated that desire (Dangerfield, Judd, Cameron). All we need to do is convince Rankine to choose us and we'll get him. That's the less easy bit.
I see where you're coming from, and I won't argue strongly against it, although I have a different view of Matt's value going forward (assuming of course that he maintains his current form). Looking at some of our mids and their ages in 2022:
Matt = 27
Laird = 29 (in December 2022)
- probably those two are the seniors we'd be looking to supplant? With...
Schoenberg = 21
Scholl = 22
Hately = 22
Jones = 22 (in Jan)
- and of course the 2020 draftees, all younger.
That says to me that if Matt (2019-2020 version, assuming) can't crack the starting mid rotations by the end of 2022, because enough of those players aged 22 and younger have surpassed him, we will be in an outstanding position, and conversely, it won't be the end of the world if he's still got a role alongside the youngsters.
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So, all of the players we've recruited are going to be All Australians and B&F winners?
Bloody good drafting by Hamish.
I know we like to sling s**t at Matt, but he is a weapon. You absolutely win flags with players like Matt.
I mean, ffs - the cherry picked him and Doedee to go be the first players to meet Thilthorpe. That should tell you something.
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A bigger deal out west.
Hately has a clear run, but again, there is certainly a reality where Hately is very valuable, but not past Matt Crouch. Hately was always seen as a very safe choice to get 200+ high quality inside midfield games but lacked a tool to push him into the truly elite. Still, seeing Hately can swing forward, they can also both co-exist in the midfield, even with a lack of pace as long as they're putting the yards in. It's not a Thommo/Crouch situation where you've got two very slow players who can only play in the midfield, at least one can be moved elsewhere if we're in need of a different look during a game. In terms of game plan, the key is pressure. If both are putting the yards in, we'll be fine.
Two years is a long time in football, however, the game is working out who are the next-gen core, and building around them. Despite the 1-2 years, we probably only have Schoenberg as someone we can list for that. Still, he'll also get more midfield time if he doesn't go backwards seeing Sloane should be phased out of being a midfielder this year, so should be well placed to overtake Matt in 2023 as the man seeing he does have a bit of class about him.
2 years for Pedlar/Berry/Cook is probably not enough time to see if they're a bust unless they're truly horrible and nowhere near the AFL side by then. We would probably be approaching the make or break point for that first set around 2024.
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That's what's said in the rules?
I'm sure they could do a "bringing the game into disrepute" style punishment, if they wanted to up it. But all of the recent fines have been small. Geelong went over the cap eight years in a row, and we're only fined $40,000 total.
Yes... but the person handing out that penalty was the person who was responsible for them going over the cap 8 years in a row, in the first place. That penalty is not exactly representative of what any other club could expect, given the severe conflict of interest involved.
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Fair call, could be Laird . But as you say his currency may not be high enough, from my point of view to absolutely, positively nail this rebuild we need another early first rounder next year. Until extensions are signed anyone with currency of that caliber is vulnerable and the way we drafted it points to being an inside mid.
WTF?? This is some crazy stuff
Nobody has ever accused the AFL of showing integrity.WTF?? This is some crazy stuff
Stephen Hocking is the person who is guilty of failing to step aside, adjudicating Geelong's penalty, despite an obvious and staggeringly massive conflict of interest.
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