Afghanistan War Exposed: An Imperial Conspiracy

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Sweet Jesus said:
He may have referenced 9/11 but fundamentally his support was about opposing totalitarianism. Basically, boilerplate liberal interventionism, bolstered by Saddam Hussein being a bad actor. And, of course, he was no fan of Islam but I'm not sure that was as much an issue in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

And I think you're mischaracterising it if you think only folks on the "far right" supported the Iraq War.
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The gateway fella for other illegal wars.

Meanwhile the US killing machine moves on. Another mess coming

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Green Hammer said:
The gateway fella for other illegal wars.
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Not sure what that means.

Green Hammer said:
Meanwhile the US killing machine moves on. Another mess coming

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When do you think it would be OK for the US military to be deployed?

Was the US intervention in Kosovo OK? The first Gulf War?

If China annexed Taiwan, would you support a US military response?
 
Sweet Jesus said:
Not sure what that means.

When do you think it would be OK for the US military to be deployed?

Was the US intervention in Kosovo OK? The first Gulf War?

If China annexed Taiwan, would you support a US military response?
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No and no. What UN mandate allowed the bombing of Kosovo?
What right do you have to stick your nose in a conflict between two Arab gulf states? Taiwan is considered as one China by the majority of the world.
 

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Green Hammer said:
No and no. What UN mandate allowed the bombing of Kosovo?
What right do you have to stick your nose in a conflict between two Arab gulf states? Taiwan is considered as one China by the majority of the world.
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So under what circumstances is it OK for the US to use military force?

Not in Kosovo. Not in Kuwait. Not in Taiwan, despite having a treaty.

Was Britain right to declare war against Germany in 1939? What right did they have to go sticking their nose in there?
 
Sweet Jesus said:
So under what circumstances is it OK for the US to use military force?

Not in Kosovo. Not in Kuwait. Not in Taiwan, despite having a treaty.

Was Britain right to declare war against Germany in 1939? What right did they have to go sticking their nose in there?
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Hey Warmonger, you have to go back to over 80 years ago to find a justified war?
 
Eagle Wrath said:
China might also have somewhere to drop off all those pesky Uyghurs

Interestly the Taliban banned 'bacha bazi' (google that) when they were in power, prior to the US occupation. But its been a big issue since the allies were there for the last 20 years and the US and allies looked the other way.
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The kite runner doco was pretty depressing.

One of the original factors mobilizing the rise of the Taliban was their opposition to the practice.[6]
 
Green Hammer said:
Hey War machine. You have to go back to over 80 years ago to find a justified war?
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Chillax.

I'm sure you're well-intentioned but I'm just curious about when you think it's OK to use military force.

If you were sitting around in 1937, at what point do you think it becomes OK for Churchill to go to war against Nazi Germany?

What's the principle you'd use to justify war in that situation?
 
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Sweet Jesus said:
Chillax.

I'm sure you're well-intentioned but I'm just curious about when you think it's OK to use military force.

If you were sitting around in 1937, at what point do you think it becomes OK for Chruchill to go to war against Nazi Germany?

What's the principle you'd use to justify war in that situation?
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The nazis were quite acceptable to US and British colonialism in fighting against the real enemy in the Red Army until Germany turned and threatened their empire
 
Green Hammer said:
The nazis were quite acceptable to US and British colonialism in fighting against the real enemy in the Red Army until Germany turned and threatened their empire
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Why don't you answer my question?

If you were sitting around in 1937, at what point do you think it becomes OK for Churchill to go to war against Nazi Germany?

What's the principle you'd use to justify war in that situation?

Or do you think it's unacceptable to declare war ever?
 
Et tu Marcel Proust?

There's a great deal of moral virtue in arguing no one should ever go to war. But if you embrace that line, how does it empower countries that don't play by those rules?

If China were certain the US wouldn't respond militarily to the PLA annexing Taiwan, what stops them from doing it?

How does the "no war ever" mantra respond to these difficult security questions?
 
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Sweet Jesus said:
Why don't you answer my question?

If you were sitting around in 1937, at what point do you think it becomes OK for Churchill to go to war against Nazi Germany?

What's the principle you'd use to justify war in that situation?

Or do you think it's unacceptable to declare war ever?
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The debate in 1937 was whether Germany was a threat to British empty empire. That's it. Chamberland convinced the ruling class that there was no such threat. Under socialism there would be no such war for the proletariat to fight each other. The proceeding events played out to its inevitable conclusion of war was as result of the contradictions of capitalism.
 

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Green Hammer said:
The debate in 1937 was whether Germany was a threat to British empty empire. That's it. Chamberland convinced the ruling class that there was no such threat. Under socialism there would be no such war for the proletariat to fight each other. The proceeding events played out to its inevitable conclusion of war was as result of the contradictions of capitalism.
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So wait, do you think it was wrong for Britain and the US go to war against Nazi Germany?

Green Hammer said:
Why didn't you use anything more recent as your just war?
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I think this comparison aptly demonstrates the limits of your stated principles.
 
Hahahaha
Afghanistan and Iraq wars were cluster*s started by the likes of bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc bad and inadequate actors going in to combat really, really really bad actors,

If we had a democrat government in power in 2000 who know .s how it would have panned out. If the Tampa on top of September 11 didn't happen who knows what australias legacy may or may not be.

There's so much nuiance in politics.
That doesn't apply to the cheerleaders.
I know someone who cheered on the body counts of us sdiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Similar mindset to posters seeking delight and schadenfreude in this thread.
Its now time to scream at the biden administration.
In politics they say your dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.
So true and you just need to get a vibe for some of the usual suspects posters in this thread.
 
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Green Hammer said:
Sweet baby Jesus - do you think it's was wrong for the British and US to not go to war with Nazi Germany and Spain in 1936, 37, 38, 39 and for the USA on Germany, virtually before 1942 ?
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Surely you can address this most obvious test case without deflecting.

Someone asks you if it was right for Britain to declare war on Nazi Germany and you can't give a straight answer.

Have you never been in a debate and someone asks you that? Do your arguments and stated principles break down that easily?

Honestly, I thought you'd at least have a rationalisation for why those circumstances justified war but remain unique.

What values are you seeking to defend? Would they have been served by not confronting Nazi Germany?
 
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