AFL 2015

[Keystone agony]

Every year people keep writing Geelong off and I can't see why. Yes they lost some pace from their team, but they added in some much needed help for Hawkins. I think with the young kids they've got coming through they should be able to maintain a Top 6 spot.

I actually think Essendon and Richmond are the ones to miss this year. Gold Coast and Crows or West Coast to come in for them.

Not writing them off. Just think they are one of the teams capable.

I think finally the age of Enright, Lonergan, Kelly, Mackie, Bartel, Rivers, SJ will start catching upto them plus the loss of speed in Varcoe n Christensen.

it showed when the 'almighty cats' couldnt get up for the big games like last year in the finals when they have usually always stood tall on the bigger the stage.

They will be around the 8 whether they are in or out of it will be minimal.

Alot of what Geelong does rest on how well M.Clark goes at full forward and injuries to rucks/SJ

 

[Jugada]

Not writing them off. Just think they are one of the teams capable.

I think finally the age of Enright, Lonergan, Kelly, Mackie, Bartel, Rivers, SJ will start catching upto them plus the loss of speed in Varcoe n Christensen.

it showed when the 'almighty cats' couldnt get up for the big games like last year in the finals when they have usually always stood tall on the bigger the stage.

They will be around the 8 whether they are in or out of it will be minimal.

Alot of what Geelong does rest on how well M.Clark goes at full forward and injuries to rucks/SJ

Lol at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team. Christensen sure, but he was no superstar and the ins of Stanley and Clark fill bigger holes than the loss of another goal kicking mid

 

[banana_bus]

Lol at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team. Christensen sure, but he was no superstar and the ins of Stanley and Clark fill bigger holes than the loss of another goal kicking mid

Your post contradicts itself a lot, although I agree with the Varcoe bit.

 

[Keystone agony]

Lol at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team. Christensen sure, but he was no superstar and the ins of Stanley and Clark fill bigger holes than the loss of another goal kicking mid

The combination of varcoe and christensen losses them alot of speed. Thats why it can hurt.

Wojo wasnt a good footballer but his speed was important to a slow geelong at the time. It would be like taking Jetta and Lloyd/Rohan out of Sydney. Colyer is now so important to essendon.

Solely losing Varcoe is no issue but with another line breaker i think the domino effect if not replaced could be bad for Geelong.

 

[Keystone agony]

FWIW i have Geelong finishing 7th-10th this year

 

[d3ft]

It would be like taking Jetta and Lloyd/Rohan out of Sydney.

I totally agree. Varcoe was about as important to Geelong as Jetta and Rohan are to Sydney - not really much at all.

They're all fast and have had a handful of good games with some flashy highlights, other than that they're fairly unremarkable players.

 

[Jugada]

Speed is so overrated. Geelong didn't dominate because of bloody Wojo, they moved the ball very fast through linking up not through one player sprinting it

 

[Jugada]

Your post contradicts itself a lot, although I agree with the Varcoe bit.

In what way? Stanley and Clark fill the holes of key position forward/ruck which is what they lack

 

[Keystone agony]

Agree to Disagree.

Bombers were a much better side with Colyer running through it. Its the only reason the bombers targeted Cooney.

Hawks have great speed and line breakers. Sydney aswell as they decided to pick unproven Rohan, Lloyd, Cunningham types over Mitchell and ROKs who were much more proven.

IMO speeds under rated, although you need that balance and players playing that role.

Jugada where do you have Geelong on the ladder? Finished 3rd or something last year

 

[jefffff34]

In what way? Stanley and Clark fill the holes of key position forward/ruck which is what they lack

They fill the holes yes, but whether they do a good job or not is very much up in the air.

 

[Keystone agony]

Big men having time out of the game i dont expect much from especially when they were pretty avg when playing before that.

Stanleys a bit meh. Shown glimpses but hes so far off being a consistent footballer, he reminds me a bit L.Jones

 

[Jugada]

Agree to Disagree.

Bombers were a much better side with Colyer running through it. Its the only reason the bombers targeted Cooney.

Hawks have great speed and line breakers. Sydney aswell as they decided to pick unproven Rohan, Lloyd, Cunningham types over Mitchell and ROKs who were much more proven.

IMO speeds under rated, although you need that balance and players playing that role.

Jugada where do you have Geelong on the ladder? Finished 3rd or something last year

I have them finishing in the 3rd-5th area again

 

[Keystone agony]

I have them finishing in the 3rd-5th area again

Fair enough IMO. I see there only being 3 good strong teams next year.

Then i see a 4-7 gap then probably a 8-12 field.

Geelong sit in the 4-7 gap but their list has a fair bit of vunerability due to age and IMO as mentioned outside speed/run. They will need to rely heavily on guys like Murdoch, Smedts ect (Motlop will cop alot of attention) and the rest of the Selwood, SJ, Duncan, Caddy, GHS, Kelly, Enright, Mackie, Bartel, Stokes clan looks very one paced to me.

Edit: And to be fair i still dont think that much of North, they will continue to be over rated and i think there backline is still too worrying and midfield lacks true A graders who turn up every week.

Fremantle probably have more right to be expected to decline then Geelong. The Dawson, mcpharlin, M.Johnson, Duffield, Sandilands, Pavlich, Crowley names seem to be in decline.

 

[GROTTO]

I have them finishing in the 3rd-5th area again

What is probably a concern with them is that they have only won 1 of their past 6 finals games and that was against the Power playing their second consecutive final game in a row away on a 6 day break.

 

[banana_bus]

Lol at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team. Christensen sure, but he was no superstar and the ins of Stanley and Clark fill bigger holes than the loss of another goal kicking mid

In what way? Stanley and Clark fill the holes of key position forward/ruck which is what they lack

Well you lolled at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team, but then you stated that Stanley and Clark fill big holes.

Realistically, all 3 of them are shit.

 

[banana_bus]

What is probably a concern with them is that they have only won 1 of their past 6 finals games and that was against the Power playing their second consecutive final game in a row away on a 6 day break.

And dont forget Chapman single-handedly won them that match.

 

[Jugada]

Well you lolled at the notion that the loss of Varcoe could hurt any team, but then you stated that Stanley and Clark fill big holes.

Realistically, all 3 of them are shit.

Clark was averaging 2.6 goals a game in 2012 (7th overall) in the worst team in the league before things went south for him. Question marks over whether he will ever recapture it obviously but comparing him to Varcoe is a bit harsh. Stanley is no star but even he is a big upgrade on Walker, Kerstens and Brown that they had to trot out last year.

Speedy squids are a dime a dozen, key position players are not. Hell Blease could almost cover the loss of Varcoe

 

[Lensen]

Stanley 2014 0.95 goals per game

Brown 2014 0.8 goals per game
Walker 2014 1.57 goals per game
Kirsten 2014 1.1 goals per game

"Big upgrade" LOL

 

[Anzac16]

Stanley 2014 0.95 goals per game

Brown 2014 0.8 goals per game
Walker 2014 1.57 goals per game
Kirsten 2014 1.1 goals per game

"Big upgrade" LOL

Have to look at the fact that Stanley was playing in the worst team in the competition last year compared to all those 3 who were playing in a Top 4 team.
Also the fact that Stanley has certainly not reached his full potential yet either (to be fair neither have any of the other 3).

St. Kilda Total Goals 2014 - 212 (Avg. 9.64 per game)
Geelong Total Goals 2014 - 315 (Avg. 13.13 per game)

Big difference in the Total Goals last year for these 2 teams. I'd expect Stanley to average around 1.5 goals per game next year with a modest improvement from him. If he finally hits the potentially everyone is hoping to see that could creep up closer to 2 goals per game.

I'd say he's a big upgrade over Brown and Walker personally. Kersten has the potential to be a very good forward.

 

[Jugada]

Stanley 2014 0.95 goals per game

Brown 2014 0.8 goals per game
Walker 2014 1.57 goals per game
Kirsten 2014 1.1 goals per game

"Big upgrade" LOL

That's such a simplistic angle. For starters players have more to offer than just goals per game, Stanley averaged more disposals, twice as many marks and more hitouts than those 3 combined and then there is the fact Stanley was playing in the worst team with Nick Riewoldt playing alongside.

Then there is also the fact that those 3 played 5, 7 and 9 games each compared to 19 so averages can be easily distorted by 1 or 2 results

 

[Lensen]

wow, i thought it was basically self evident that stanley was not that good so went the lazy goals per game route to make a point. i'm staggered people view him as someone that will make a differene to be honest. guess it's just subjective then

remember we're talking "a big upgrade" here. the difference between ok at best (stanley) and mediocre (the other three) in terms of key forwards is not massive in terms of impact. furthermore, i reckon players that change clubs get overrated over the first off season (due to being "highlighted" during trade period and thus further front of mind) and "goal a game second key forward in a struggling side" doesn't strike me as someone who's going to be a big upgrade on anyone

we will see

 

[BEEG]

Backed Sydney to win the flag and will be backing Freeman to win the rising star

 

[Keystone agony]

Also what will Stanleys role be. IMO he seemed to play a little bit closer to goal with NROO up the ground.

Cant see Tomahawk pushing to far away from the goal mouth. Stanley might be further up the ground whether that suits him or not. It will reduce goal amounts.

 

[banana_bus]

Clark was averaging 2.6 goals a game in 2012 (7th overall) in the worst team in the league before things went south for him. Question marks over whether he will ever recapture it obviously but comparing him to Varcoe is a bit harsh. Stanley is no star but even he is a big upgrade on Walker, Kerstens and Brown that they had to trot out last year.

Speedy squids are a dime a dozen, key position players are not. Hell Blease could almost cover the loss of Varcoe

Kersten will be 100x the player Stanley is (and thats not saying much).

Love your hatred for Varcoe though

Also what will Stanleys role be. IMO he seemed to play a little bit closer to goal with NROO up the ground.

Centre-Half Bench in the 2s

 

[banana_bus]

wow, i thought it was basically self evident that stanley was not that good so went the lazy goals per game route to make a point. i'm staggered people view him as someone that will make a differene to be honest. guess it's just subjective then

remember we're talking "a big upgrade" here. the difference between ok at best (stanley) and mediocre (the other three) in terms of key forwards is not massive in terms of impact. furthermore, i reckon players that change clubs get overrated over the first off season (due to being "highlighted" during trade period and thus further front of mind) and "goal a game second key forward in a struggling side" doesn't strike me as someone who's going to be a big upgrade on anyone

we will see

I'm also genuinely staggered that anyone can view Stanley as anything other than a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.