AFL 2018 1st Prelim Final : Richmond v Collingwood: 19:50 AEST, MCG

Who will win the 1st PF

  • Richmond by < 19

    Votes: 32 9.8%
  • Richmond by 20>40

    Votes: 81 24.8%
  • Richmond by 41+

    Votes: 21 6.4%
  • Collingwood <19

    Votes: 49 15.0%
  • Collingwood 20>40

    Votes: 72 22.0%
  • Collingwood by 41+

    Votes: 72 22.0%

  • Total voters
    327
  • Poll closed .

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SUMMARY

Friday night's blockbuster preliminary final between Richmond and Collingwood is 38 years in the making. The two powerhouses haven't met in the post-season since the Tigers hammered the Pies by 81 points in the 1980 Grand Final, and this one is set to nudge a six-figure crowd. For all of Collingwood's defiance of its lengthy injury list, it must defeat the reigning premier to have any hope of winning a first flag in eight years. The midfield battle will be titanic – Martin, Cotchin, Prestia and Lambert v Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom and Adams – but can the Pies withstand Richmond's famed pressure to kick a winning score?

WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Friday, September 21, 7.50pm AEST
TV AND RADIO: Click here for broadcast guide

WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?

Round 6 Richmond 16.17 (113) d Collingwood 10.10 (70) at the MCG
Round 19: Richmond 16.9 (105) d Collingwood 12.5 (77) at the MCG

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

Richmond

1. Dylan Grimes looms as the man to stop Magpie match-winner Jordan De Goey. Grimes is tall enough to defend key forwards, but also quick enough to man smaller opponents. De Goey is somewhere in between those two things and this could be Grimes' biggest challenge in 2018.

2. The Tigers aren't traditionally a strong contested ball side, but there's no reason they can't be, especially when it is a priority against Collingwood. Greater Western Sydney's best period last Saturday night came when it briefly wrested control from the Pies in clearances and contested possessions.

3. Richmond rarely tags through the midfield, but Damien Hardwick has an ideal option in Dion Prestia if he wants not only to curb one of the Magpies' Fab Four (Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom and Taylor Adams), but also hurt them the other way.

Collingwood

1. Levi Greenwood is the popular choice to tag Dustin Martin and has been playing in defence, so may follow the 2017 Brownlow medallist everywhere he goes. But could the Pies instead opt for Tom Langdon or Tyson Goldsack to go to Martin when he sneaks into attack?

2. Richmond kicks 47 per cent of its goals from general play, as opposed to set shots, and the Pies allow their opposition to score 39 per cent of goals that way (ranked fifth-best in the AFL). Collingwood's pressure and fall-of-the-ball work will need to be sharp.

3. David Astbury was an unlikely thorn in the Pies' side in the clubs' round 19 meeting. He kept Mason Cox to two goals and helped himself to 21 disposals, seven marks and five rebound 50s. Cox will have to be more defensively diligent this time around.

THE SIX POINTS

1. The final quarter was the difference between the sides in both games this season. In round six, Richmond led by 11 points at three-quarter time before kicking eight goals to three. Then in round 19, the Tigers' advantage was just four points at the final change, only for them to boot five goals to one.

2. There is a huge contrast in styles between the teams. Collingwood is the highest-ranked disposal team this season, with an average of 401.2, while Richmond's 367.7 per game ranks 14th.

3. The Tigers are placed second for goals per game this season with 14.1, and the Magpies' 13.3 ranks third. Richmond is second for inside 50s and the Magpies third, while the Tigers are second for marks inside 50, but Collingwood is mid-table at equal eighth.

4. Richmond and Collingwood have met in 16 finals, with the black and yellow army winning nine games to seven, including the last six since 1969.

5. The Tigers are aiming for their fifth consecutive post-season win, something they haven't achieved since 1973-75. If they win, it will be back-to-back Grand Final appearances for the first time since 1973-74. Collingwood last made the Grand Final in 2011.

6. The ruck battle could go a long way to deciding this match. Magpie Brodie Grundy is the top-ranked ruckman at No.5 overall in the Schick AFL Player Ratings, while Tiger Toby Nankervis is only 63rd.

WHAT THE COACHES SAY

Damien Hardwick: "I thought they were the best side we've played this year, with their pressure and their ability to hunt around the contest. We knew it was going to be a fight coming in and that was certainly what we got for close to three quarters. It was very much a grind for those three quarters and then we managed to get the game a little bit more on our own terms." – after the round six victory over Collingwood.

Nathan Buckley: "They've been the best team since the last one to two months before last year's finals and they finished top this year. Everyone's waiting for them to fall over, but they're not going to fall over. They have to be beaten. We believe they can be beaten and our best footy will stack up, but talking about it and doing it are two separate things." – after beating the Giants on Saturday night.

IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …

Nathan Buckley doesn't task his players with a tag on an opponent too often, but it's not every week you come up against reigning Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin. Levi Greenwood will almost certainly get the job on Martin again, but can you trust him to do it through the middle as well as when Dusty plays out of the goal square?

What do The Age tipsters think?

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Obvioulsy i'm a pies fan here, would love unbiased opinions on why people think Richmond appear to be the raging favourites " outside of the obvious ". whilst just as a guide last game Rnd 19 is somewhat relevant

1) Howe vs Riewolt early. Howe was on top early with riewolt having no influence. once Howe went off late in the 1st, riewolt got on top and if I recall had 3 goals and was a major influence on several others.
2) Short got gifted 2 goals in 30 seconds from stupid play, can almost gurantee he doesn't get that much space again
3) Richmond bring in I believe different Conca and Graham. Pies bring in, Dagoey, Treloar, Aish, Goldsack. and ***Howe***

for those points I believe it's going to be an extremely tight game perhaps only 2 goals in it either side.
 
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Obvioulsy i'm a pies fan here, would love unbiased opinions on why people think Richmond appear to be the raging favourites " outside of the obvious ". whilst just as a guide last game Rnd 19 is somewhat relevant on two fronts.

1) Howe vs Riewolt early. Howe was on top early with riewolt having no influence. once Howe went off late in the 1st, riewolt got on top and if I recall had 3 goals and was a major influence on several others.
2) Short got gifted 2 goals in 30 seconds from stupid play, can almost gurantee he doesn't get that much space again
3) Richmond bring in I believe different Conca and Graham. Pies bring in, Dagoey, Treloar, Aish, Goldsack. and ***Howe***

for those points I believe it's going to be an extremely tight game perhaps only 2 goals in it either side.

The only gifts will be the Pies fluros tonight,Short used his own skill to kick those two goals from over 60 metres out.
 

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Richmond I think will do it and win, but it won't be like the past two they've played.

As for WCE and Melbourne, it will depend on how Melbourne handle Optus and travel, but I think
there are a couple of chinks in WCE's armour over this season if any ones show, up they are in strife.
Maybe not as good as we thought, Had the rub against Collingwood and only won 1 quarter, helped over
the line by some weird umpiring!
I 'll pick Melbourne.
 
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SUMMARY

Friday night's blockbuster preliminary final between Richmond and Collingwood is 38 years in the making. The two powerhouses haven't met in the post-season since the Tigers hammered the Pies by 81 points in the 1980 Grand Final, and this one is set to nudge a six-figure crowd. For all of Collingwood's defiance of its lengthy injury list, it must defeat the reigning premier to have any hope of winning a first flag in eight years. The midfield battle will be titanic – Martin, Cotchin, Prestia and Lambert v Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom and Adams – but can the Pies withstand Richmond's famed pressure to kick a winning score?

WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Friday, September 21, 7.50pm AEST
TV AND RADIO: Click here for broadcast guide

WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?

Round 6 Richmond 16.17 (113) d Collingwood 10.10 (70) at the MCG
Round 19: Richmond 16.9 (105) d Collingwood 12.5 (77) at the MCG

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

Richmond

1. Dylan Grimes looms as the man to stop Magpie match-winner Jordan De Goey. Grimes is tall enough to defend key forwards, but also quick enough to man smaller opponents. De Goey is somewhere in between those two things and this could be Grimes' biggest challenge in 2018.

2. The Tigers aren't traditionally a strong contested ball side, but there's no reason they can't be, especially when it is a priority against Collingwood. Greater Western Sydney's best period last Saturday night came when it briefly wrested control from the Pies in clearances and contested possessions.

3. Richmond rarely tags through the midfield, but Damien Hardwick has an ideal option in Dion Prestia if he wants not only to curb one of the Magpies' Fab Four (Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom and Taylor Adams), but also hurt them the other way.

Collingwood

1. Levi Greenwood is the popular choice to tag Dustin Martin and has been playing in defence, so may follow the 2017 Brownlow medallist everywhere he goes. But could the Pies instead opt for Tom Langdon or Tyson Goldsack to go to Martin when he sneaks into attack?

2. Richmond kicks 47 per cent of its goals from general play, as opposed to set shots, and the Pies allow their opposition to score 39 per cent of goals that way (ranked fifth-best in the AFL). Collingwood's pressure and fall-of-the-ball work will need to be sharp.

3. David Astbury was an unlikely thorn in the Pies' side in the clubs' round 19 meeting. He kept Mason Cox to two goals and helped himself to 21 disposals, seven marks and five rebound 50s. Cox will have to be more defensively diligent this time around.

THE SIX POINTS

1. The final quarter was the difference between the sides in both games this season. In round six, Richmond led by 11 points at three-quarter time before kicking eight goals to three. Then in round 19, the Tigers' advantage was just four points at the final change, only for them to boot five goals to one.

2. There is a huge contrast in styles between the teams. Collingwood is the highest-ranked disposal team this season, with an average of 401.2, while Richmond's 367.7 per game ranks 14th.

3. The Tigers are placed second for goals per game this season with 14.1, and the Magpies' 13.3 ranks third. Richmond is second for inside 50s and the Magpies third, while the Tigers are second for marks inside 50, but Collingwood is mid-table at equal eighth.

4. Richmond and Collingwood have met in 16 finals, with the black and yellow army winning nine games to seven, including the last six since 1969.

5. The Tigers are aiming for their fifth consecutive post-season win, something they haven't achieved since 1973-75. If they win, it will be back-to-back Grand Final appearances for the first time since 1973-74. Collingwood last made the Grand Final in 2011.

6. The ruck battle could go a long way to deciding this match. Magpie Brodie Grundy is the top-ranked ruckman at No.5 overall in the Schick AFL Player Ratings, while Tiger Toby Nankervis is only 63rd.

WHAT THE COACHES SAY

Damien Hardwick: "I thought they were the best side we've played this year, with their pressure and their ability to hunt around the contest. We knew it was going to be a fight coming in and that was certainly what we got for close to three quarters. It was very much a grind for those three quarters and then we managed to get the game a little bit more on our own terms." – after the round six victory over Collingwood.

Nathan Buckley: "They've been the best team since the last one to two months before last year's finals and they finished top this year. Everyone's waiting for them to fall over, but they're not going to fall over. They have to be beaten. We believe they can be beaten and our best footy will stack up, but talking about it and doing it are two separate things." – after beating the Giants on Saturday night.

IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …

Nathan Buckley doesn't task his players with a tag on an opponent too often, but it's not every week you come up against reigning Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin. Levi Greenwood will almost certainly get the job on Martin again, but can you trust him to do it through the middle as well as when Dusty plays out of the goal square?

What do The Age tipsters think?

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Tigers feeling the pressure? They really loved the finals feeling last year and were open & fun. This year closed sessions, media mis - management of dusty injury. Different ball game when expected to win. They could stuff it up !
I've got that gut feeling also.
 
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