AFL 2019 Round 5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton, 1:10pm AEST MS

[WWSD]

With a list spot still open, getting the best state league small forward going should be a priority in the mid season draft. Even a poor man’s Liam Ryan could do wonders for the Blues’ second half the season.

Getting Cunningham back might help too. He was looking good before the bruised kidney.

I wish Carlton would use Zac Fisher as a permanent small forward as he has the capacity to be very similar to Wingard.

When Matthew Kennedy and Will Setterfield come back from injury it should help the Blues midfield depth and Fisher may not have to play in the midfield permanently.

 

[WWSD]

Levi Casboult is a great footballer, practices his kicking has been knocked from pillar to post by the so called experts, his kicking wasn't the best its improved.
Best contested pack mark in the competition.

I would have him at Hawthorn any day of the week. But nah the Blues know his worth.

Bolton ? Leave him alone , he is building, any one who was talking about him being given the gong ,you know nothing.

He is a builder, and they are going to come through , it never takes 5 minutes , it can take years , but when it does no one can get you.

Now you Blue baggers you know how to win , its all there, well done great win!!!

Keep plugging.
EXCEPT WHEN YOU PLAY MY MOB!

I’m all for Hawthorn losing to Carlton next week if it means they beat Geelong tomorrow.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

And the big4 all salute on the same weekend for first time in must be a while

First time since round 16 2013 that all 4 sides won on the same weekend.

 

[JoondalupJ]

I’m all for Hawthorn losing to Carlton next week if it means they beat Geelong tomorrow.

Geelong grrrrr , what can you say, kill kill kill. But it'll be a hard day at the office!

 

[Andre the Giant]

Oh dear didn’t the karma bus just level Cadillac...there is plastic all over the place

I almost feel sorry for him!!

Nah, suffer in your jocks!!! Well done Carlton!

 

[ferrisb]

What happened to bont was tracking to be the best player in the game now looks a mile off it

Had an off day, but so did his team.

Was leading the coaches votes going into this round....not too shabby.

Is one heck of a player, when fit.

 

[ferrisb]

I’m all for Hawthorn losing to Carlton next week if it means they beat Geelong tomorrow.

I'm all for Hawthorn beating Geelong if it means we beat Hawthorn next week

 

[beaglebombs]

If you're talking horses - I preferred Black Caviar's great grandad on the sire side, and the great great grandad on the dame side (inbred) -- VAIN

Of course, there is always the possibilty that you are more Vain than Black Caviar

Frankel!

 

[beaglebombs]

Whew...heat coming this week hopefully. That was seriously bad. Some of the worst kicking for goal I've ever seen

Yep, it wasn't as one sided as expected!!

 

[clobba]

surely not!

no Essendon (or most other Vic supporters for that matter) supporter congratulates or wishes the blues any good fortune

I think you'll find yourself very wrong... * the doggies and go baggers

 

[clobba]

Yeah Vain was a champion for sure, and I think nearly all thoroughbred horses are inbred to varying degrees

It's Only inbred if it fails as if it works it's called line bred

 

[_M_16_]

Knew all week we were gonna lose this one. No team would have wanted to be the one to face the Blues this week coming off the heat and criticism.

Bulldogs have pretty much shown they are the least skillful and least footy smart team in the league. All grunt, no class. Been four years of being one of the top few teams in terms of inside 50's per game, yet still bottom for in converting them to scoring chances/efficiency

 

[The Filth]

Frankel!

I was only sticking to Aussie horses - but yeah Frankel, great horse

 

[windows1]

It's more embarrassing that you don't realise he's not.

Sidey is not soft. Knock that s**t off.

 

[Juddernaut08]

First time since round 16 2013 that all 4 sides won on the same weekend.

We probably are to blame there. Been about the same time that we'd last won at all lol.

 

[Listclogger]

"Sorry SPS, he is a Bulldogs player and we have to make sure that their free kick differential is at least +10 each match"

Correct weight

 

[Login]

Sidey is not soft. Knock that s**t off.

Good player but absolute cat

 

[Monkey King]

Bulldogs' team is the youngest fielded by any side this year. Carlton's team is older than St.Kilda's and Richmond's, which both won.

It’s funny how a team can be regarded as “younger” when their opponent fields almost twice as many U22’s. Averages alone don’t provide enough information to make this type of statement. You need to account for variance. Without it, all can you claim with any certainty, is that the Bulldogs’ mean age was lower than Carlton’s mean age.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It’s funny how a team can be regarded as “younger” when their opponent fields almost twice as many U22’s. Averages alone don’t provide enough information to make this type of statement. You need to account for variance. Without it, all can you claim with any certainty, is that the Bulldogs’ mean age was lower than Carlton’s mean age.

You can draw an arbitrary line anywhere, e.g. the Dogs had 13 players 23yo and under to Carlton's 11.

Averages are simple and they work. I don't want to have the debate again.

 

[SickQwon]

You can draw an arbitrary line anywhere, e.g. the Dogs had 13 players 23yo and under to Carlton's 11.

Averages are simple and they work. I don't want to have the debate again.

Median works better. I pray to god you don’t work in engineering or science if you think this.

 

[Monkey King]

Averages are simple and they work. I don't want to have the debate again.

Averages work for telling you what the average of something is. If you want to extract more from the data, you need to account for variance, or graph it and see where the distribution lies in relation to the mean. No need to debate this anymore than debating that water is wet.

So I have no issue with you saying the Bulldogs mean age was lower than Carlton mean age, because that’s a valid conclusion. But the whole “younger” team claim is not. A lot more work needs to go into supporting that claim.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Median works better. I pray to god you don’t work in engineering or science if you think this.

It doesn't "work better" with team ages and I've proven it. Not interested in an argument.

 

[SickQwon]

It doesn't "work better" with team ages and I've proven it. Not interested in an argument.

Your opinion vs reality.

I know what i'd choose.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Averages work for telling you what the average of something is. If you want to extract more from the data, you need to account for variance, or graph it and see where the distribution lies in relation to the mean. No need to debate this anymore than debating that water is wet.

So I have no issue with you saying the Bulldogs mean age was lower than Carlton mean age, because that’s a valid conclusion. But the whole “younger” team claim is not. A lot more work needs to go into supporting that claim.

Variance provides extra information, that's all. If you want to show how it's relevant to match results, I'd be interested to see it.

Look, here are the results for all older teams. A nice straight line:

Age bracket	Played	Won	Lost	Drawn	Win %
< +0.5	4859	2474	2340	45	51.38
+0.5 to +1	4133	2279	1812	42	55.65
+1 to +1.5	2870	1682	1154	34	59.20
+1.5 to +2	1808	1142	647	19	63.69
+2 to +2.5	979	648	320	11	66.75
+2.5 to +3	482	335	143	4	69.92
> +3	312	247	62	3	79.65

And the results for older teams with a lower variance than the opposition:

Age bracket	Played	Won	Lost	Drawn	Win %
< +0.5	1731	855	857	19	49.94
+0.5 to +1	579	329	243	7	57.43
+1 to +1.5	149	72	76	1	48.66
+1.5 to +2	16	9	7	0	56.25
+2 to +2.5
+2.5 to +3
> +3

I can't make any sense of the latter.

Your opinion vs reality.

I know what i'd choose.

Taking all 22 ages into account v taking two ages into account. I've chosen.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You can draw an arbitrary line anywhere, e.g. the Dogs had 13 players 23yo and under to Carlton's 11.

Averages are simple and they work. I don't want to have the debate again.

That's because it's a flawed debate. It places too high a value on players who are past their best such as Simpson, Murphy, Thomas, Kreuzer and Ed Curnow ... a value higher than 100+ game players in their footballing prime.